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... until you realise a 2.4 GHz C2D can score the same despite having only two cores. And in a laptop, too.


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There are reasons switching away from PowerPC was the right decision. Especially when I can't even find a PPC Mac laptop that can pass 1000 on here.
 
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Given the DLSD is very close to that, a mild overclock should do it. :)
And that makes for a great G4 desktop replacement. Considering most Powermac G4 systems don't pass 1000, it's certainly impressive. Honestly, dropping Mac OS 9 support just before dropping PowerPC support makes picking one "best" old Mac practically impossible.
 
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There are reasons switching away from PowerPC was the right decision. Especially when I can't even find a PPC Mac laptop that can pass 1000 on here.

Yes, I mean we all love our PPC machines but there's no denying that Intel just blew them out of the water by the end. This is why I imagine for those few people that still have a need to run OSX PPC applications, running them under Rosetta in a Snow Leopard VM in an Intel machine is probably a better solution for most. Obviously this may not work for everyone, ie driver issues etc. And not all apps will run well under emulation within a VM.

But for the rest of us, these machines are just a bit of fun.

Just to test though, I'm going to try to run PPC Geekbench 2 within Snow Leopard VMs in a couple of the Intel machines in my sig, and see what sort of numbers I get... Will also try in my 2006 C2D Macbook.

Clearly now though it is Intel that has stagnated, and despite all the doom mongering on these forums, I'm very optimistic about the shift to ARM.
 
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But for the rest of us, these machines are just a bit of fun.
This is the thing that keeps me coming back, over and over again. Whether it's a G4 with mostly modern internet support, however slow, combined with support for 30+ year old apps going back to the 68k days, or a G5 giving a glimpse of PPC64 linux, something that is otherwise maddeningly expensive, and of course, these are all the cheapest way to get something mostly Amiga compatible through MorphOS, there's still a lot of fun to be had, all these years after Apple left these computers in the past.
 
So I just ran Geekbench 2 using Rosetta, in a Snow Leopard Server VM, in my 2013 Macbook Air with a dual-core i5 processor. For this exercise, I only allocated 2GB of RAM to the VM, and one of my two CPU cores.

I still managed to score 1684 - higher than any G4, and just a little below a Dual Core 2.0 G5 (which scores 1814 according to Everymac).

Next thing is to run this my 2006 C2D 2.0, if I ever manage to complete the Snow Leopard installation that it is (this machine, which I got for free alongside my Digital Audio 533, just shuts down at random times!).

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Having played with this, I can say it really can cool the dual 1.25 GHz by a good 10 degrees Celsius or so, especially at or near idle. But it absolutely hates Leopard with most of the features being not functional. I was able to dig up a newer version but it seems they dropped the whole nap feature. Can't really see the point in that.

I'm still probably going to want a copper heatsink down the road just to be safe.
 
And it looks like you had to overclock it to get it there. That's not a knock against it, but they didn't sell it like that.
Yes, but with a little overclock it gained a big boost. From stock 800-ish it jumped to 1100 even with those ****** ramsticks that are in there. They are so slow that they are even lower speed what the DLSD came with from stock. the 74X7 series of CPUs are very capable.
 
Yes, but with a little overclock it gained a big boost. From stock 800-ish it jumped to 1100 even with those ****** ramsticks that are in there. They are so slow that they are even lower speed what the DLSD came with from stock. the 74X7 series of CPUs are very capable.
You're certainly not wrong about that. But again, Apple didn't sell anything in this configuration, and that stock 800-ish is the problem. I'd love to know what kind of temperature that overclocked cpu runs, I know they didn't offer particularly good cooling the Powermac G4 machines a little earlier, and the Powermac G5 is just silly.

Without a doubt, I could do some overclocking of my G4 MDD, but if I was ever going to do that, I'd much rather start with the fastest stock option, and the best cooling possible. Going from one to two 1.25 GHz cpus is a very noticeable upgrade, so I have to wonder how much higher it can go. I found a dual 1.8 GHz Quicksilver that made it to about 1400, and its ram is even slower.
 
You're certainly not wrong about that. But again, Apple didn't sell anything in this configuration, and that stock 800-ish is the problem. I'd love to know what kind of temperature that overclocked cpu runs, I know they didn't offer particularly good cooling the Powermac G4 machines a little earlier, and the Powermac G5 is just silly.

Without a doubt, I could do some overclocking of my G4 MDD, but if I was ever going to do that, I'd much rather start with the fastest stock option, and the best cooling possible. Going from one to two 1.25 GHz cpus is a very noticeable upgrade, so I have to wonder how much higher it can go. I found a dual 1.8 GHz Quicksilver that made it to about 1400, and its ram is even slower.
I can say you what frequency you can get just by looking at the daughterboard. I can get a watercooling for my MDD that would fit nicely buuut... I got a G5 so im trying to get that in working condition.
 
I can say you what frequency you can get just by looking at the daughterboard. I can get a watercooling for my MDD that would fit nicely buuut... I got a G5 so im trying to get that in working condition.
See, if the G5 could do Mac OS 9, then I'd have all my bases covered, but it can't, so I'd rather have a faster G4 MDD than mess around with more PMG5s than i already have. But water cooling is fiddly and I don't trust myself with it.

But when overclocking a system like this, my question isn't "what's the gigahertz?" It's more a matter of "how much more performance can I get out of this, and will it be stable?"
At what clock speed?
:apple: 💻 PowerBook G4 Hi-res DLSD 17' OC to 189MHz bus and 1,89GHz CPU 💻 :apple:
I'm assuming it's this beast, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
 
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See, if the G5 could do Mac OS 9, then I'd have all my bases covered, but it can't, so I'd rather have a faster G4 MDD than mess around with more PMG5s than i already have. But water cooling is fiddly and I don't trust myself with it.

But when overclocking a system like this, my question isn't "what's the gigahertz?" It's more a matter of "how much more performance can I get out of this, and will it be stable?"

:apple: 💻 PowerBook G4 Hi-res DLSD 17' OC to 189MHz bus and 1,89GHz CPU 💻 :apple:
I'm assuming it's this beast, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.
Yes correct, its that exact DLSD. It went to 1,9GHz but then it was too hot running so i stayed at 1,89GHzwith 189MHz bus. from thermal side of things sometimes its hotter sometimes its actually runs cooler. Loads like TFF kick up the fans less often than on stock clock. In games it runs a bit hotter but not much.
 
I think Daystar used to sell 1.92GHz 7448 upgrades for PBs - would love to see one of those plough through some workloads.
 
I think Daystar used to sell 1.92GHz 7448 upgrades for PBs - would love to see one of those plough through some workloads.
Actually i have one 7448 rated for 1,7GHZ at home but i cant get to the bootrom patcher that works on DLSD. It would be a supercool DLSD with a 200MHz bus and 2GHz core clock.
 
1080 is good for an MDD, but its not like a 24999 12-core Mac Pro :)
1080 is nothing on a MDD, i have that score on my DLSD with ****** ram, my MDD with dual 7457 at 1,5 is much higher than that. Also i Am willing to sell some dual 7457 1,5GHz daughtercards if someone wants. Is here a Selling forum section?
 
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A dual 7457 at 1.5 GHz, huh? Consider me curious, what does it take to get something like that? What did it start out life as?
 
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