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An Upgraded G4 MDD
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My HTC Touch Pro is still waiting for the next Windows 6.1 Pro mobile update…And after the spectacular failure known as Windows Phone (which was a good OS IMHO), they had better ensure their stuff works damn well on Android and iOS
I'll do it on my "mighty" 2.33ghz core duo mini later this day - I got 2935 in gb 2.4.3 (natively).
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Something's telling me I should redo this after putting in that 1.46 GHz single-core Celeron M
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I'm sure there's an unofficial Windows Mobile 6.5 port to it somewhere
Well it clearly doesn't work all of the time, or we wouldn't be here.
No, LOL!Well it clearly doesn't work all of the time, or we wouldn't be here.
But that's the choice. We choose to either create workarounds or use different services. For instance, I use Google's services because way back in 2012 when I started using the iPhone, Apple was at the end of supporting PowerPC. With the launch of the iPhone 5 (my first purchased iPhone) I had no way of connecting and syncing with my Macs. So, I worked around Apple.
So for the sake of it, I finally installed Snow Leopard (natively) in my 8-core 2008 Mac Pro, and ran the same exercise; ie Geekbench 2 both natively 64-bit and under Rosetta.
It beats my 2012 Mac mini by about 10% - advantages of not having to virtualise Snow Leopard, as well as the sheer number of cores I suppose.
It beats my 2012 Mac mini by about 10% - advantages of not having to virtualise Snow Leopard, as well as the sheer number of cores I suppose.
If you look on Everymac, on Geekbench the 2012 i7 Mini and the Mac Pro 3,1 8-core 3.2 are pretty close in terms of scores. So it doesn't surprise me to see those numbers tbh.
I am using VMware (which is now free on Catalina).
My perception is that VMware does 2D acceleration much better than other VM software, so that's why the difference seems big to me. I would expect those results from running macOS in VirtualBox. But also, Geekbench doesn't test graphics, so that point of mine is useless. HAHA
Hazdard 10.6 ISO has a kernel which runs fine in VMWare on Ryzen though. Can't remember which one it is though.
An update!
Though the help of the resident guru @eyoungren I've swapped out the stock Radeon 9000 Pro for a Radeon 9200, and I do believe the system is more or less in its final configuration. And, I say that because I'm currently posting this using Lubuntu 16.04 off a live disk, a thing that simply will not work with the stock Radeon 9000. I realize the difference the bus speeds between the PCI and AGP cards, the 9200 being a PCI video card, mean that in some tasks, the 9000 would run better, but since my goal was to also maintain OS 9 support, I don't think the any of that is really going to be an issue. If I really needed speed, I could always go after a Radeon 9800, but then I do already have a G5, so that's all moot.
That said, first impressions are that this is an improved setup. Everything just works, and I even get a standard DVI and VGA port, instead of that Apple Display Connector. Neat as it is, I don't exactly have a display for it. I do have an old Viewsonic CRT, however, and it does just fine.
When I'm done setting it all back up, this is going to be a fun little system, no doubt.
Though the help of the resident guru @eyoungren I've swapped out the stock Radeon 9000 Pro for a Radeon 9200, and I do believe the system is more or less in its final configuration. And, I say that because I'm currently posting this using Lubuntu 16.04 off a live disk, a thing that simply will not work with the stock Radeon 9000. I realize the difference the bus speeds between the PCI and AGP cards, the 9200 being a PCI video card, mean that in some tasks, the 9000 would run better, but since my goal was to also maintain OS 9 support, I don't think the any of that is really going to be an issue. If I really needed speed, I could always go after a Radeon 9800, but then I do already have a G5, so that's all moot.
That said, first impressions are that this is an improved setup. Everything just works, and I even get a standard DVI and VGA port, instead of that Apple Display Connector. Neat as it is, I don't exactly have a display for it. I do have an old Viewsonic CRT, however, and it does just fine.
When I'm done setting it all back up, this is going to be a fun little system, no doubt.
I'm just glad the card came through the mail fine. And that it's not dead. LOL!
That card, yours now, was the second of the three cards in my QS. Enjoy.
I'll have you know I've never gotten used card better wrapped. And, it's an excellent card. I didn't lose any real performance going from the stock AGP Radeon 9000 Pro to the PCI 9200, Because if you want to game on PPC, you're not doing it with a Radeon 9000 anyway, and what I did get was Linux support. It's actually impressive how well the MDD handels the modern internet on a current browser. Heck, Youtube works pretty well using H264ify at 480p on Interweb. Sure, it was without sound because Lubuntu 16.04 Remix doesn't like using sound cards until you install it, but seeing the native video playback without using Viewtube was kind of everything I wanted to see.
I'm going to be enjoying this quite a bit!
And now the computer is mostly set up. Mac OS 9, 10.4, 10.5, and Lubuntu 16.04 all live happily together. Of course, 9 does live on a seperate drive as all my testing trying to get 9 and linux to share has taught me it's easier to keep them apart, but 10.4 and 10.5 don't care what you to do the partitioning.
And let me say that Linux positively screams on this G4. I've used it on a 700 Mhz eMac, and there's just no comparison, the MDD Dual 1.25 Ghz system makes a case for itself under Linux that it has trouble doing in Tiger or Leopard. I realize that Lubuntu 16.04 is about to lose support, but I have other options.
The only real issue I've come to realize is how much in Tiger and Leopard uses Quartz Extreme. Not that it's the end of the world or anything, the Radeon 9200 games about as well in OSX as the Radeon 9000, which is to say, not that well. But since this system now has access to more up to date and stable web browsers through Linux, the likes of TenFourFox and Leopard Webkit are just less important. Funny enough, Linux can still GPU acceleration its user interface just fine. It's only Tiger and Leopard that have the issue. And it's one that doesn't really bother games.
At the end of the day, I got this thing wanting to have as powerful a Mac OS 9 system as possible. While there's a tiny bit of wiggle room, I've mostly done that. I no longer need to rely on my dodgy as heck Performa 6205CD, a miserable machine from day one, or my eMac with a temperamental screen, which hurts because it's honestly one of my favorite Macs ever. And unlike those other two, I can have a modern Internet experience that doesn't suck.
Some thoughts: A Radeon 8500 may have been a better way to go, but this has made me wonder how well Mac OS 9 handles multiple graphics cards, and having seen that the 9200 supports mirroring, I do wonder how well a Radeon 9800, or at least a Radeon 9600 might work in the mix. Who knows, maybe I can have the best of all worlds. It feels like this system still has more to give in the Mac OS, even if it's giving everything its got in Linux. At the very least, games in Tiger seemed limited by the Radeon 9000 much more than the dual 1.25Ghz cpu card, and the 9200 doesn't really help.
But either way, the system now does everything I wanted it to be able to do. Leopard was already mostly unneeded other than for more web browser and media playing support, and Linux can do that much better.
And let me say that Linux positively screams on this G4. I've used it on a 700 Mhz eMac, and there's just no comparison, the MDD Dual 1.25 Ghz system makes a case for itself under Linux that it has trouble doing in Tiger or Leopard. I realize that Lubuntu 16.04 is about to lose support, but I have other options.
The only real issue I've come to realize is how much in Tiger and Leopard uses Quartz Extreme. Not that it's the end of the world or anything, the Radeon 9200 games about as well in OSX as the Radeon 9000, which is to say, not that well. But since this system now has access to more up to date and stable web browsers through Linux, the likes of TenFourFox and Leopard Webkit are just less important. Funny enough, Linux can still GPU acceleration its user interface just fine. It's only Tiger and Leopard that have the issue. And it's one that doesn't really bother games.
At the end of the day, I got this thing wanting to have as powerful a Mac OS 9 system as possible. While there's a tiny bit of wiggle room, I've mostly done that. I no longer need to rely on my dodgy as heck Performa 6205CD, a miserable machine from day one, or my eMac with a temperamental screen, which hurts because it's honestly one of my favorite Macs ever. And unlike those other two, I can have a modern Internet experience that doesn't suck.
Some thoughts: A Radeon 8500 may have been a better way to go, but this has made me wonder how well Mac OS 9 handles multiple graphics cards, and having seen that the 9200 supports mirroring, I do wonder how well a Radeon 9800, or at least a Radeon 9600 might work in the mix. Who knows, maybe I can have the best of all worlds. It feels like this system still has more to give in the Mac OS, even if it's giving everything its got in Linux. At the very least, games in Tiger seemed limited by the Radeon 9000 much more than the dual 1.25Ghz cpu card, and the 9200 doesn't really help.
But either way, the system now does everything I wanted it to be able to do. Leopard was already mostly unneeded other than for more web browser and media playing support, and Linux can do that much better.
I think that being able to do what you wanted to do/want to do is pretty much the end game. There's always going to be wiggle room to get that last .001 percent of some performance - but as long as you're happy with what you got because it's working for you, what's the point?
Despite all our love for PowerPC around here, these machines are still just tools. If the tool works for the job then everything is good.
Sometimes it's a labour of love to get just that. No matter if it makes sense or not.
If it's pursued from that perspective, I agree. And I respect the dedication to do that - wherever your happiness lies on the scale.Sometimes it's a labour of love to get just that. No matter if it makes sense or not.
Sometimes it's a labour of love to get just that. No matter if it makes sense or not.
And here, for me, happiness is having a computer that can run 68k Mac apps natively and fairly modern builds of Firefox-based browsers. And, just about everything in between.
I found a MDD on craigslist. It's my first one, so it has been interesting working on it. The computer was "dead" when I got it but I was able to repair the power supply and now it is working well. It's a dual 1.42 model and after cleaning out all the dust and checking fans etc. I bumped it to 1.5GHz and things are good so far. It has the copper heat sink, which some say is the better version? The CPU card does have a temperature sensor between the two processors. It's interesting that it can take either 512MB or 1GB memory sticks in different combinations. Anyway, I thought it would be good to get this thread back on track...
It mostly sounds like you're all set. Congrats, you have quite the beefy G4. But consider me curious, what temperature does it run at?
The fan for the CPUs is clearly changing speed, but I wanted to have better control over it so I connected it to a controller and put the sensor on the heatsink. Now it idles at around 36 degrees without much noise and promptly ramps up with load to peak temperatures in the low 40's. Power Fractal seems to be the best program for load testing.
I am trying to recover some data from an old MDD - double mirror door PPC. I bought it new. However, the data I am after is corrupted. But, there is a disk which has a back up on it, via time machine. But ... I cannot successfully boot that drive. Currently, I am running 10.4 off another internal drive.
My problem is I cannot find Leopard - OS X 10.5 - disc anywhere. I can find the box for it though!! I could not find 10.4 disc either, but then bought one on eBay ... Now, while looking for 10.5, I found the 10.4 disk ... sheesh.
Is there a way I can download 10.5? I'd rather not buy another used OS X install disc!
Cheers
My problem is I cannot find Leopard - OS X 10.5 - disc anywhere. I can find the box for it though!! I could not find 10.4 disc either, but then bought one on eBay ... Now, while looking for 10.5, I found the 10.4 disk ... sheesh.
Is there a way I can download 10.5? I'd rather not buy another used OS X install disc!
Cheers
Keep scrolling down, it's download #32. There may be some others around or below that as alternative installs. You'll need to burn a disc or create a USB stick (difficult).