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I still don't see the point of a tablet for general consumer market. Really, it's been tried already. Only businesses and medical field have some use for a tablet. Then again, most are using PDAs (or more recently iPhones) since they are smaller and do most of the same job. If Apple wanted to release a product, they wanted it to cater the general consumer market, not just a niche industry. Yeah, a tablet might sound cool since it's new and shiny or whatnot, but a regular consumer will end up just using an iPhone/iPod Touch. It seems that a Mac tablet is a solution looking for a problem, and the rumor mill are flocking on it to generate hits/click.

Think about this: You are going on a long flight. You take with you your tablet to which you can download e-books and e-magazines with rich content while you wait for check-in. After sitting down in the plane you read the newspapers that you subscribe to for an hour or so. After that you start Frontrow and go watch one Entourage to which you are subscribed over iTunes.

After lunch you start reading your mail, which was pushed to the mail app automatically over 3G and you answer them via the onscreen keyboard. You open some attachments with iWorks or Office and work on those.

During the stopover you surf the net a bit in a starbucks (where else) and rent a move via iTunes for the next flight.

When you come home, you put the Tablet in its dock to charge it and connect it to your TV where it functions as an AppleTV.

The end..

With all those people surfing the web, reading books on the go and watching movies on their laptops on planes, do you really think there is no market for this? Apple has the experience to completely smash this market and they will be stupid to do so. They have the tech and the experience.

And hell yeah I would pay $ 699 for that if it could do all this, and I think I'm not even stretching the possibilities here..
 
A good theory.... but I dont agree.

You can do most, if not all, of that with a macbook and ipod.

And downloading a movie to watch on the next flight in starbucks?

Thats going to be one long coffee.....

The tablet would be a beautiful prodcut.... all nice and shiny.... but it doesnt have a purpose.
 
A good theory.... but I dont agree.

You can do most, if not all, of that with a macbook and ipod.

Yes, but that's the whole point. Many people use the MacBook only for watching movies, surfing the web or whatever. Why carry this heavy brick around with a keyboard when 90% of the time you are only using the screen?

Apple is all about elimination (case in point: iPod Shuffle, Trackpad etc), so why not provide a product that caters to the market that can stand to live without a keyboard and the computing power of a MBP or MB, while they are on-the-go? A 10" screen would provide enough real estate for an onscreen keyboard that would be useful enough to write emails, check office documents on the go, input search terms, make notes in e-books etc.

Just think about how thin that thing could be. Imagine the Macbook air without a keyboard, with the electronics behind the screen. It would probably be only two-thirds of the thickness (so half an inch) thick. That would fit in my bag a whole lot better than my MBP, which is actually quite heavy..

It would be ideal for on-the-go purposes. At home most people would use their computer for the heavy stuff. I therefore do not think that the Tablet would target people that do not have a computer yet. It would be a portable extension of what you have at home. I also do not think that it would be able to replace an MB or MBP.

Just my interpretation/expectation of the thing.
 
6 Months with a Leaky Quote

I don't buy the 6" rumor either. Who is that for? You're already outside pocket size, so you might as well go up to 10" if you're gonna be carrying a bag for it anyway.

Hmmm the leaks and fake leaks are so that Apple knows and controls information... they leak this to one to counter the other to hide what's real and what's not... :rolleyes:

Like Rowdy Roddy Piper Jaffa... they talk it up with investor speak and stock values... and yeah it seems to work... But hey Apple gotta have da lackies.
 
I can see your point, and I do think one day, when this sort of technology is cheaper and more accessible to average consumers, the device your speaking of may become reality.

But in this economy, I think even apple, with a big shiny marketing campain would struggle to shift them in large numbers.

Let say that it goes for £400.... and thats being optimistic.

Is paying £400 worth it for getting rid of that 'bulky' keyboard space, and buying a product that doesnt do as much as your laptop?

And as for the 3G conectivity.... are we going to pay £400 AND £30 a month to keep it connected?

I just cant see it :eek:
 
I can see your point, and I do think one day, when this sort of technology is cheaper and more accessible to average consumers, the device your speaking of may become reality.

But in this economy, I think even apple, with a big shiny marketing campain would struggle to shift them in large numbers.

Let say that it goes for £400.... and thats being optimistic.

Is paying £400 worth it for getting rid of that 'bulky' keyboard space, and buying a product that doesnt do as much as your laptop?

And as for the 3G conectivity.... are we going to pay £400 AND £30 a month to keep it connected?

I just cant see it :eek:

All of your points (except the last) were mentioned when the Macbook Air was launched, and that's selling quite well. It's lapped up here in the Netherlands by "important" management types to show off in the plane.

In addition, we don't know anything about pricing yet, so let's wait and see. It's a quite exciting time. If it gets launched, I will be interested to see what it would do to the Apple stock.
 
We had lunch today with a group of Verizon High Ups, and one of them pulled out a device that is around 10" and looks like a 10" iPhone. He explained that he had it on Loan from Apple.

I tried to snap a picture but I was unable... I am wondering though what does a high up from Verizon doing with one?? Do you guys think apple is working something out with verizon to offer on these tablets, just like amazon did with sprint?

I did manage to see the device was running a gui similar to the one found on the iphone.

Just my .02 cents.

Obviously, that is plain false. Yet, prove me wrong: post a drawing of the device. Even if you do not draw well, that is much better than words... I bet you will not. Again, prove me wrong.
 
Obviously, that is plain false. Yet, prove me wrong: post a drawing of the device. Even if you do not draw well, that is much better than words... I bet you will not. Again, prove me wrong.


How does that work?

I could tell you my girlfriend is Megan Fox... and then draw a picture of her....

Doesnt mean im telling the truth.
 
Yes, but that's the whole point. Many people use the MacBook only for watching movies, surfing the web or whatever. Why carry this heavy brick around with a keyboard when 90% of the time you are only using the screen?

Apple is all about elimination (case in point: iPod Shuffle, Trackpad etc), so why not provide a product that caters to the market that can stand to live without a keyboard and the computing power of a MBP or MB, while they are on-the-go? A 10" screen would provide enough real estate for an onscreen keyboard that would be useful enough to write emails, check office documents on the go, input search terms, make notes in e-books etc.

Just think about how thin that thing could be. Imagine the Macbook air without a keyboard, with the electronics behind the screen. It would probably be only two-thirds of the thickness (so half an inch) thick. That would fit in my bag a whole lot better than my MBP, which is actually quite heavy..

It would be ideal for on-the-go purposes. At home most people would use their computer for the heavy stuff. I therefore do not think that the Tablet would target people that do not have a computer yet. It would be a portable extension of what you have at home. I also do not think that it would be able to replace an MB or MBP.

Just my interpretation/expectation of the thing.

Absolutely right. The key points are a device as light (400 g or less would be great) and small (pocketable or so would rock) as possible. The MacBook Air is too heavy and too large, besides not having essential ports. Add video-out and USB2 ports to the Apple Tablet and it will be awesome, as long as it runs Mac OS X (not the OS X of the iPhone/iPod touch) for full blown Keynote and PowerPoint presentations on videoprojectors via the video-out port, using USB-based remote control for the presentation. That alone will sell millions worldwide on the corporate, education and domestic markets, besides creating a tremendous halo effect for Apple to sell more stuff like Macs, iPhones and iPods. We need thousands of such Apple Tablet for our University. Even at 1,000 to 2,000 USD.
 
How does that work?

I could tell you my girlfriend is Megan Fox... and then draw a picture of her....

Doesnt mean im telling the truth.

Everybody has seen Megan. Most people have not seen the device. So even a sketch of it will do. Even if not drawn perfectly. Then, when it ships we will remember you...

:)

You can do it if you want; obviously, if you want. And the purpose is just for the record. Because from that day, everybody will believe you the next time with any other future device.
 
Absolutely right. The key points are a device as light and small as possible. The MacBook Air is too heavy and too large. Add video-out and USB2 ports and it will be awesome.

I agree too!

I used to have a Macbook 13" for everything when I was student. It was nice, but quite heavy everyday in my back pack. And it was always missing something: not enough power for heavy soft like photoshop, smal screen for a good confort...
Today I am working. I have a PC 15,4" for my job and an iMac 20" at home for my personnal work. So for the work I have my PC, for home i have a powerfull iMac but for the on-th-go... something is missing. I had an iPhone, but for entertainement, the screen is to small. When I am home, sometime I am on the couch and I want to be able to surf the web also without carrying a large device like a MB. So the iPad would be great for that! Also in the metro, an iPad would be great to watch tv show on a decent screen... same in the train, airplane... it will always be in my bag, and I will be able to use it at every moment for media, mails, web...

So yes, I am waiting for one!!!!
 
Are having multitouch capabilities and pen-input (for drawing precisely) mutually exclusive?

Also, I just don't see how multitouch would suddenly make it marketable. That one confuses me =\

Touch screen and pen input (like Wacom or tablet PC) are two ceompletely different technologies.

A digitizer (Wacom or tabler PC) does not actually respond to touch (the sensor to detect this is in the pen) and does not require mechanical contact with the pen, so it can be easily integrated in a tablet behind the screen. This is done on tablet PCs and on Watcom devices with integrated display.

A touch surface that responds to a finger is a thin and transparent layer on top of the screen.

So it is possible to integrate both in a single product (digitzer behind the screen and touch sensitive layer in front of it). It could even detect both simultanously.

But there are a few problems: When using the electronic pen, the device would be able to track position even if the pen is a few millimeters above the screen. On a Wacom the pointer follows the pen in this case and you can "hover" without pressing the "mouse button" like you can with a mouse. This is not possible when using finger input. Pen input is much more precise (smaller buttons!), but finger input allows for multi touch. It would be hard to create a user interface that makes optimal of both....

If you look at the prices for Wacoms there is another question: The costs.

Christian
 
6" size is the perfect size for ebook readers and such. Really hope this is true.
 
The tablet would be a beautiful prodcut.... all nice and shiny.... but it doesnt have a purpose.

What about students taking notes in lectures?
Busnessmen in meetings?

It looks a bit silly with everyone on laptops.

Can see some sort of pen input being developed and handwriting recognition has come a long way since the newton.

And that is before you get to photoshop and garagband - the idea of a graphics table you can see the object on is really exciting!

What we are looking at - is the future of portable computing.
 
I think a 6" Touch would be a great device and I'd buy one immediately even though I have an iPhone. I think of the things I use my iPhone for (other than phone, which with AT&T's crappy service is pretty useless a lot of the time) - I read email, browse the web, I am constantly reading eBooks using Kindle app and I watch videos I download via iTunes. Oddly enough I don't use it all that much to listen to music - I have an iPod Classic that I use for music. A lot of time though I keep thinking I sure wish this device was a little larger for what I use it for - it would make web browsing, Kindle and videos so much better. If I could get a device just a little larger, I'd jump all over it. I'd also sell my iPhone and go back to a dumb phone.
 
I movie trimming

Please,

I have a question about trimming. I went in the "help section" of Imovie and try to apply a trimming as it was shown in the tutorial. Well, I couldn't find any precision editor button in the little logos on my time-line. There is exposure, cropping, sound, but no precision editor. Why? Does anybody have an answer?

Other question.

Is final cut express a good start or is it better to just stick to Imovie?

Thank you, and sorry if I didn't ask my question in the right section, I'm new to forums and do not really understand where I should ask my questions.
 
I'd like to hear from students...

I agree too!

I used to have a Macbook 13" for everything when I was student. It was nice, but quite heavy everyday in my back pack. And it was always missing something: not enough power for heavy soft like photoshop, smal screen for a good confort...

Sorry for reiterating the same points I've made in the past. I'm speaking primarily about students computer use in this post.

I have to agree with you here. I think in this age of convenience and laziness, even the 13" book is to inconvenient to carry--and yet it is too small to be convenient to write papers on.

It would be best to eventually produce a sub-$1000 touch-screen 10" laptop that is ultra-convenient to carry yet large enough to do things when not at home/dorm such as take lecture notes, read an article, write a rough draft of a paper, edit/proofread a draft, transport a Keynote/PowerPoint presentation etc.

If it can connect to a larger monitor then more intensive research can be done at home/dorm. (Or something I would love to suggest is to have workstations at college libraries where people can hook up their laptops not only to the internet but to large monitors, printers, etc--because as you know dorms can be crazy).

The only problem would be graphic, video, audio work; but I think in a few years time CPU will become powerful enough to accommodate such work on laptops.

Some of you has stated that a keyboard is not necessary for you; I agree, I think there is a market for a "10" iPhone/Pod" but I wish there was one with a full keyboard.

Right now I have a MacPro with two monitors and I'm shopping for a netbook. But I think I might wait and see if this new product is close to what I'm looking for.
 
Please,

I have a question about trimming. I went in the "help section" of Imovie and try to apply a trimming as it was shown in the tutorial. Well, I couldn't find any precision editor button in the little logos on my time-line. There is exposure, cropping, sound, but no precision editor. Why? Does anybody have an answer?

Other question.

Is final cut express a good start or is it better to just stick to Imovie?

Thank you, and sorry if I didn't ask my question in the right section, I'm new to forums and do not really understand where I should ask my questions.

You should go here: Macrumors Mac Applications Forum and do a search (It's at the top right). If you can't find your answer, you can start a new discussion there by clicking the button "New Thread".

Good luck.
 
10" iTablet

I look forward to the 10" iTablet. It's a compromise for iPhone and iPod when you have wonderful applications available from the App Store. Many Mac fans are getting older with worsening eyesight and to use iPhone and iPod on some serious applications is really a challenge. How many times you have seen Steve Jobs removing his glasses to read the small types when he was conducting the product presentation of the iPhone applications.
:D
 
Touch screen and pen input (like Wacom or tablet PC) are two ceompletely different technologies.

A digitizer (Wacom or tabler PC) does not actually respond to touch (the sensor to detect this is in the pen) and does not require mechanical contact with the pen, so it can be easily integrated in a tablet behind the screen. This is done on tablet PCs and on Watcom devices with integrated display.

A touch surface that responds to a finger is a thin and transparent layer on top of the screen.

So it is possible to integrate both in a single product (digitzer behind the screen and touch sensitive layer in front of it). It could even detect both simultanously.

But there are a few problems: When using the electronic pen, the device would be able to track position even if the pen is a few millimeters above the screen. On a Wacom the pointer follows the pen in this case and you can "hover" without pressing the "mouse button" like you can with a mouse. This is not possible when using finger input. Pen input is much more precise (smaller buttons!), but finger input allows for multi touch. It would be hard to create a user interface that makes optimal of both....

If you look at the prices for Wacoms there is another question: The costs.

Christian

I agree... kind of!

I haven't used a graphics tablet for a few years, so I am not current with their "state of the art" capabilities.

However, I have done some experimentation with using styli on the iPhone multitouch surface.

Long story, short: I think that a multitouch surface can work quite well with either a stylus or fingers. Consider:

1) input method UI:
-- currently the iPhone only responds to touches from capacitive devices like a finger.
-- the device's driver could be enhanced to detect a BlueTooth signal emitted by a capacitive pen stylus in close proximity
-- the UI could adjust itself to allow: pen only; finger only; both.

2) precision:
-- the iPhone software driver is set to detect a touch to an area of about 10-pixel radius, anything less is rejected/ignored
-- with the presence of the BT stylus, the driver could adjust to accept capacitive touches of, say, 1-2 pixels for greater precision

3) pressure:
-- pressure recognition is not particularly meaningful in current iPhone finger touches (though, it could be)
-- the stylus would be responsible for detecting the amount of pressure and including that in its signal the the device

4) pointing:
-- with finger touch, the device provides little/no pointing capability (though it could). The closest thing to built-in "pointing" is sliding to an adjacent key when using the on-display kb.
-- with a pressure-sensitive stylus, the device driver could detect a stylus touch with no (low) pressure as a pointer and display an arrow, crosshairs, brush, etc. ala a mouse or graphics tablet

5) tapping/clicking/dragging/flicking:
-- the device can currently respond to these gestures from any capacitive pointer, be it a finger or a stylus.

6) drawing/painting:
-- with finger input, the user selects a line width or brush size then: press/hold/drags to draw a line of consistent thickness
-- with a pressure-sensitive BT stylus the stylus detects varying pressure and sends that (along with the xy coordinates) to the device. The device draws the line of varying width, accordingly
-- the precision of the stylus will facilitate selecting/drawing/resizing shapes, masks, bezier curves.

Now, consider what the device can be programmed to do with the input described above:
-- handwriting and hand printing recognition
-- shape recognition with optional alignment, straightening and smoothing.
-- layers
-- annotation
-- shading/color/opacity/intensity variations
-- 3D paint thickness and build-up (finger painting)
-- interactive compositing, rotoscoping, rendering

Some of the above will, likely, not be possible with the hardware (CPU/GPU/RAM) of a small, mobile, tablet. But, there is no reason that a larger, beefier, tablet couldn't be used as I/O to, or as replacement for a desktop computer.

And, yes, I believe that every Mac computer (or whatever Apple replaces them with) will have touch screen I/O by 2011.

Let's face it! We're on the cusp of a revolution in the way man and machine interface. Apple is the only company in a position to pull this off & deliver the whole enchilada!
 
Not for a very very long time.

Talking to a computer, (or rather your self) is a sign of time to see a shrink.

if you answer your self, well, it may be to late to see that shrink :D

Meh. I've tried voice control a number of times, and it doesn't work that well and really isn't all that convenient. If one can type at a decent speed, one is better of with a keyboard and mouse or trackpad, at least at this time. Hard to say what the future may hold--before the personal computing revolution, I recall absolutely no one predicting that basically everyone would own one or more computers, much less carry them in a pocket.
 
They should call it...

I've finally figured out what Apple should call this new category/game changer:

Handy



Don't laugh, it grows on you!
 
What about students taking notes in lectures?
It's faster to type than write.
Busnessmen in meetings?

It looks a bit silly with everyone on laptops.
Really? The people who do this every day don't think they look silly.
Can see some sort of pen input being developed and handwriting recognition has come a long way since the newton.
The newton handwriting was quite good in OS 2.0, but it still isn't faster than typing.
And that is before you get to photoshop and garagband - the idea of a graphics table you can see the object on is really exciting!

What we are looking at - is the future of portable computing.

Answer this: why aren't Windows tablets flying off the shelves? Why don't you see students carrying Windows tablets? They exist, but the only place I see them is at my doctor's office.
 
********. First, if this guy's so plugged in, why can'the give the size of the larger screen? Second, Apple likes to keep its product choices simple, so there will not be two tablet devices, just one (with options, just like for each iPod). Third (and this us where all credibility is forfeit), the tablet will not be a Mac and will not run "all macintosh software."

Please stop giving these ********ters attention.
 
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