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I wish Apple would make a traditional round watch. I can't stand the look of the current Apple watch. It's too ugly and very feminine looking IMO.

If Apple ever decides to make a round watch, I'll be first in line. Until then, I'm sticking with the Gear S3.
 
Which button do I press to let Apple know that the most requested feature for the Apple Watch is more battery. There is a not insignificant number of people around the globe that will trade 50% of the Apple Watch's current features and $100s of dollars to get 5 days of battery life.

No doubt they will continue to add yet more features that tax the battery. Of course there are use cases for the built in cellular network radio. But there are more use cases for not charging the damn thing every night.

But that's not my problem. I will soon be upgrading from the 3-day Samsung Gear S3 Frontier to the 2-week Garmin Fenix 5 Sapphire 47mm. An I very much look forward to what Swatch will bring out next year.
 
There's quite the difference between visible light and electromagnetic waves. Visible light does not penetrate your body, electromagnetic waves does.

Yes, and the other thing people aren't considering (unless they are up on recent science), is that you don't need cellular damage to have an impact. There is intercellular communication going on, as well as impact at the epigenetic level. We simply have no clue what the impact is going to be, especially long-term exposure in a specific, close location (i.e.: ear buds, watch, etc.). Maybe we'll be fine... but anyone who tells you they know it's safe is full of it.

No doubt they will continue to add yet more features that tax the battery. Of course there are use cases for the built in cellular network radio. But there are more use cases for not charging the damn thing every night.

I'm actually kind of curious about this. Camping? While I can absolutely see how cellular connection would be a game-changer, I'm not seeing how most people can't easily charge overnight.
 
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SIM card in an Apple Watch? Total BS rumour.

I agree, no way they would put a Sim card in there. The only way I see this being true is if another rumor comes true, the digitized sim card (which would be awesome but not sure how realistic).
 
You do realize that humans are used to natural radio waves just as to the natural radiation. But artificial radition doesn't do anything good to you.
[doublepost=1490667215][/doublepost]They'd better add more health-related sensors to the watch. That'd make it a killer device.
Radio waves are radio waves. Do you really think the radio waves screeching out of supernovas, pulsars, quasars, etc. are somehow less "radio wave" than the low level energy coming out of a watch?
 
Radio waves are radio waves. Do you really think the radio waves screeching out of supernovas, pulsars, quasars, etc. are somehow less "radio wave" than the low level energy coming out of a watch?

And, that's why the Earth's magnetic fields and such are crucial. Also, signal strength and proximity are critical... we're talking about devices pressed right up against your skin or in your ear, and a cellular device communicating with a tower isn't exactly low energy. (Yes, BT is pretty low power, but again, proximity.)
 
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Yes, and the other thing people aren't considering (unless they are up on recent science), is that you don't need cellular damage to have an impact. There is intercellular communication going on, as well as impact at the epigenetic level. We simply have no clue what the impact is going to be, especially long-term exposure in a specific, close location (i.e.: ear buds, watch, etc.). Maybe we'll be fine... but anyone who tells you they know it's safe is full of it.



I'm actually kind of curious about this. Camping? While I can absolutely see how cellular connection would be a game-changer, I'm not seeing how most people can't easily charge overnight.
Do radio waves have the energy to damage cells? Sure they do but it depends on power and frequency. Can this be tested? It sure can. Absorption of energy creates heat (heat is literally a measure of how much a particle is vibrating). If you take a block of meat at blast it with 800 - 1900 MHz radio waves does it absorb any of this? Nope.

The general rule of thumb is that an organism is very tolerant of stuff in its environment. Earth has always been constantly bombarded by radio waves. It should be no surprise that organisms living on the surface can tolerate radio waves.
 
Do radio waves have the energy to damage cells? Sure they do but it depends on power and frequency. Can this be tested? It sure can. Absorption of energy creates heat (heat is literally a measure of how much a particle is vibrating). If you take a block of meat at blast it with 800 - 1900 MHz radio waves does it absorb any of this? Nope.

Apparently you missed my earlier post.
cf. epigenetics and cellular communication
 
And, that's why the Earth's magnetic fields and such are crucial. Also, signal strength and proximity are critical... we're talking about devices pressed right up against your skin or in your ear, and a cellular device communicating with a tower isn't exactly low energy. (Yes, BT is pretty low power, but again, proximity.)
Let's get a little more specific. Cellular phones operate in the microwave band of electromagnetic energy. Earth's magnetic field does block some electromagnetic energy wavelengths. A magnetic field will only interfere with frequencies when both are oscillating that the same frequency. If Earth's magnetic field blocked radio waves, microwaves, or visible light (just another frequency of electromagnetic energy), we'd not be able to see past the atmosphere with our eyes, optical or radio telescopes. Microwave energy from a cell phone does not penetrate well (I believe it does not make it past the skin... but I could be wrong on that).
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Apparently you missed my earlier post.
cf. epigenetics and cellular communication
Epigenetics and cellular communication? I felt I had addressed it but perhaps not explicitly. Kinesins and the microtubules they ride on are proteins (as is the actin structure that holds the cell together). If they absorbed energy, they would vibrate and become "hot". That is why blasting a piece of meat (made of cells full of proteins for communication, replication, etc) with frequencies at which cellular phones operate (800-1900 MHz) is a good test. Not much in the cells/meat absorbs energies in this frequency range, so little energy is absorbed and therefore it does not get warm. If you stuck your head in a cellular transmitter on a tower you'd still not likely feel much. But double that frequency to 2.4 GHz and you've got yourself a microwave oven.

Epigenetics... I honestly am not sure. I'd be inclined to say that if the cells aren't absorbing the energy then there is likely no issue. If anything, cellphones seem to be contributing to antisocial behavior and that might be an effect on population.
 
Let's get a little more specific. Cellular phones operate in the microwave band of electromagnetic energy. Earth's magnetic field does block some electromagnetic energy wavelengths. A magnetic field will only interfere with frequencies when both are oscillating that the same frequency. If Earth's magnetic field blocked radio waves, microwaves, or visible light (just another frequency of electromagnetic energy), we'd not be able to see past the atmosphere with our eyes, optical or radio telescopes. Microwave energy from a cell phone does not penetrate well (I believe it does not make it past the skin... but I could be wrong on that).

My initial response re: magnetic fields was about your comment of 'supernovas, pulsars, quasars' and such. If certain events like that happened close enough, they would cause problems for earth life if it were't for certain protections (including the magnetic fields).

But, in regards to cell signals, this is an interesting article:
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-02/disconnected

The problem is that everyone talks about 'non-ionizing.' I'm talking about gene expression and cellular communication. That's a whole different thing. It hasn't been studied well, and is just barely beginning to even be looked at and understood.
 
Either put a cell/voice modem in the watch or the iPad. Nice for backup as talking on a smartphone is nearly obsolete...
When Siri grows up and gets workflow functionality/customization it might pretty handy....finally
 
Seems like a waste of incredibly precious space to add a SIM card to the Apple Watch. Plus it would affect the water proofing.

I call this rumor ********. I don't doubt 4G connectivity is coming, but a SIM card seems backwards.

As an Apple Watch user I don't think the 4G think excites me that much right now. I'd much rather see it get thinner while maintaining battery life, or the impossible of improving battery life.
 
To have internet connectivity when it's not practical to have a phone, i.e when swimming, surfing, in the shower, at the gym, when running etc.

Good God. Why the hell do you need internet connectivity when surfing? Or swimming?

You're not that important that people need to reach you at all times, and there is nothing so important that it can't wait an hour for you get back to your phone.

And if you're that disinterested in actually swimming, surfing, bathing or exercising, then why are you doing them at all? Just stay home and use your computer!
 
Seems like a waste of incredibly precious space to add a SIM card to the Apple Watch. Plus it would affect the water proofing.

I call this rumor ********. I don't doubt 4G connectivity is coming, but a SIM card seems backwards.

As an Apple Watch user I don't think the 4G think excites me that much right now. I'd much rather see it get thinner while maintaining battery life, or the impossible of improving battery life.

The whole Sim card argument I also don't believe. I do believe that an LTE version of the Apple Watch will certainly happen if we see a Series 3 by fall. I think it's a divided path with what people want. I don't have any need for LTE, but it allows freedom of not being tethered to their iPhone with LTE.

There's no doubt my mind that A cellular version of the Apple Watch is coming.
 
For what reason would you want internet connectivity when doing active water sports?!!
So you can freaking have a phone call under water while snorkeling! /s <- Sarcasm right?
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You do realize we are all constantly bombarded by a universe of radio waves?
You know what's funny is the waves are there we're just editing them...
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See no point of this, I will have my phone with me all the time. I can't imagine people not leaving their iPhones behind for any reason.
A quick run to DQ (Dairy Queen) in sweats!
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I would imagine that would be a lot to ask out of the first cellular model. But I guarantee that Apple will set it up so that when your watch is in range of the iPhone, it will turn off the cellular radio, and back on again when you separate yourself from it. I would also expect the user to have the option to set what conditions that the radio be used, just as you can on the iPhone when roaming, etc.
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Enjoy that reality. I'll be living untethered to my phone as needed.

True, just to be able to do anything once again. Cause in all actually we are "Tethered", runners, cut the "cord" a little...
 
The general rule of thumb is that an organism is very tolerant of stuff in its environment. Earth has always been constantly bombarded by radio waves. It should be no surprise that organisms living on the surface can tolerate radio waves.
As was said humans are used to natural levels of radiation and other fields. Not artificial ones. Not any level of radiation. Or you'd be an immortal superbeing able to fix Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant with your bare hands.

If you stuck your head in a cellular transmitter on a tower you'd still not likely feel much.
"not feel much" doesn't mean it has no effect on your body. People often don't feel cancer until it's too late.

That is why blasting a piece of meat (made of cells full of proteins for communication, replication, etc) with frequencies at which cellular phones operate (800-1900 MHz) is a good test. Not much in the cells/meat absorbs energies in this frequency range, so little energy is absorbed and therefore it does not get warm. If you stuck your head in a cellular transmitter on a tower you'd still not likely feel much. But double that frequency to 2.4 GHz and you've got yourself a microwave oven.
You don't think that at 2.4 GHz the danger is suddenly switched on. Like it was safe at 2.39 GHz and then BAM, microwave, don't put your head in here! The danger slowly rises with the frequency, power, proximity of the source, etc, etc. Even at 1900 MHz it may be not safe. Even if the temp rises just for 0.0001 degree. That's why that test is nothing. Take a bunch of animals and put it to a lifetime exposure to cellular radiation, give them phones, cellular enabled watches, wi-fi routers, etc, etc and at the end of their life we'll see the effects. But no one is going to do that. People themselves are those animals.
 
My initial response re: magnetic fields was about your comment of 'supernovas, pulsars, quasars' and such. If certain events like that happened close enough, they would cause problems for earth life if it were't for certain protections (including the magnetic fields).

But, in regards to cell signals, this is an interesting article:
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-02/disconnected

The problem is that everyone talks about 'non-ionizing.' I'm talking about gene expression and cellular communication. That's a whole different thing. It hasn't been studied well, and is just barely beginning to even be looked at and understood.
I think about it in terms of does the electromagnetic energy interact or not. Gene expression is performed by proteins (largely ribsosomes, transcription factors, various polymerases, etc.). If these are not interacting with the EM energy, then it really is a non-factor. If my reasoning is too reductionist for your taste, I understand. But there is nothing magical about gene expression or intercellular signaling (I have advanced degrees in physiology, anatomy, and specifically did a thesis on gene expression so perhaps I am just overthinking your ideas).

Yes, if the energy is high enough or at a certain frequency, then yeah, we'd get cooked. There are stars with fields so strong they'd pull the iron out of the blood from light years away. But before then the radiation would have cooked all the tissue. The point is that even from light years away, there is a whole universe spewing out all kinds of radio waves, microwaves, x-rays, etc. Earth's magnetic field and atmosphere block the stuff that is most harmful and the stuff it doesn't, we are able to tolerate (and I am intentionally avoiding going further as to avoid this going into the PRSI forum!). For what it is worth, if a quasar beam from the other side of the galaxy happened to sweep across our planet, it would vaporize everything...
 
As was said humans are used to natural levels of radiation and other fields. Not artificial ones. Not any level of radiation. Or you'd be an immortal superbeing able to fix Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant with your bare hands.

"not feel much" doesn't mean it has no effect on your body. People often don't feel cancer until it's too late.


You don't think that at 2.4 GHz the danger is suddenly switched on. Like it was safe at 2.39 GHz and then BAM, microwave, don't put your head in here! The danger slowly rises with the frequency, power, proximity of the source, etc, etc. Even at 1900 MHz it may be not safe. Even if the temp rises just for 0.0001 degree. That's why that test is nothing. Take a bunch of animals and put it to a lifetime exposure to cellular radiation, give them phones, cellular enabled watches, wi-fi routers, etc, etc and at the end of their life we'll see the effects. But no one is going to do that. People themselves are those animals.
Power and frequency are critical and I have repeatedly said so. The power of the transmitter in a cell phone is not at the power or frequency that expose tissue to enough energy to be of any consequence. In fact much of this frequency does not have the power or energy to make it past the skin.

Radioactivity is not electromagnetic energy.

Ok, it would be a bad idea to stick one's head in a cellular tower transmitter. Still, probably not a life ending situation.

People, animals, plants, and everything else on the planet's surface have been subjected to all kinds of EM energy since there were people, animals and plants. That is the environment where these things live and are able to tolerate what is abundant in that environment.
 
Only in here we can go from a conversation about Apple Watch having cellular functions to a physics war. Might as well throw in Macs and watch straps for good measure :p
 
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Total BS comment that comes back each year....
I really hope you aren't so deluded to actually think that features and improvements are pushed out as soon as they possibly can be?

Of course features are staggered, it is very basic business strategy.
 
As long as it could be added to a family plan with no upcharge. But the most id pay for the convenience is $5/month.

My guess is initial date fees will be $15/month then the carriers will get into price wars offering watches added to existing data plans for free.
Verizon and T-Mobile charges $5/month.

AT&T and Sprint charges $10/month.
 
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