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So maybe I simplified the chain a little bit, but you're pretty naive if you don't think that the analyst side of JP isn't pretty closely linked with the brokerage side.

Maybe this is a little better:
Broker: Hey buddy, can you drive down AAPL a little bit so I can make my profit quota this month?
Analyst: (to press) Hey everybody, iPad's are down! Sell, SELL! (to broker friend) There you go, dude.
Broker: Sweet, just turned 3% drop into $300,000 cash, plus all the commissions from the call orders I just put through. Thanks bro!
Analyst: (to press) Nevermind about what I just said. Miscalculation.

DISCLAIMER: this may not reflect how brokers and analysts actually talk

I work in banking and you don't know what your talking about dude.

Research analysts publish bits of info and recommendations to investors. The traders and sales either push the inhouse research pieces to clients or they don't.

Collaboration between research and trading to manipulate the markets is illegal. Its very naive of you to think a firm like JPM will put their reputation on the line for peanuts.
 
The average consumers barely knows about Windows 8.

And remember, this is a Microsoft product. When is the last time demand for Apple gear has dropped in anticipation of an MS product in the same space?

You can look, but you won't find it.

Well, I would say that it's not just Windows 8 but Google's Android that's also contributing to the decline in the iPad (and iPhone) popularity.

I think people are beginning to realize the limitations of the iPad and iOS. People want USB ports, HDMI, styluses, file management, SD card slots, and whatever else you can cram into a machine.

It's Apple's own fault. Their approach is flawed and is costing them money and fans.
 
Are saying Apple is nervous about the "Amazon Kindle" due to be released very soon. Which will have the same form factor as the Kindle ebook reader, with an Amazon custom version of Andriod, and will access Amazon, like the iPad does iTunes. The "Amazon Kindle" is supposed to sell for $250 dollars.

I'd say it does have something to do with Amazon's announcement on Wednesday.... probably more about the rumored iPad3 than about underperforming iPad2 sales though.

Regardless, people are focusing on Apple rather than Amazon.
 
well, i would say that it's not just windows 8 but google's android that's also contributing to the decline in the ipad (and iphone) popularity.

I think people are beginning to realize the limitations of the ipad and ios. People want usb ports, hdmi, styluses, file management, sd card slots, and whatever else you can cram into a machine.

It's apple's own fault. Their approach is flawed and is costing them money and fans.

lol*∞
 
Let's see 9.25 million sold last quarter. Probably 10+ this one and the upcoming holiday quarter will be a BLOWOUT, probably 15+.
 
These analysts are no different in their predictions than the kiddies in the iPhone forum. Wondering why MR and others publish obviously market manipulation stories.

What's worse is the reactions on WalStreet when these analysts poop from their mouths. They "try" to follow supply line, but they don't know who orders are for and aren't for, they "guess."

All anyone with a brain need to is look at Apple's last released quarterly results and see the growth year over year. One doesn't nearly double a product category and then magically tank in sales to need a price cut.

Baboons in business suits would make better guesses.
 
What's worse is the reactions on WalStreet when these analysts poop from their mouths. They "try" to follow supply line, but they don't know who orders are for and aren't for, they "guess."

All anyone with a brain need to is look at Apple's last released quarterly results and see the growth year over year. One doesn't nearly double a product category and then magically tank in sales to need a price cut.

Baboons in business suits would make better guesses.


It gets better.

Here's an odd one: It looks like J.P. Morgan is having an internal battle over today's report that Apple slashed its iPad orders by 25%.
According to Bloomberg headlines we just read, JP Morgan's U.S. Apple analyst said "Apple is fine," and the U.S. team does not agree with the Asian analyst team which made the report that Apple was cutting back its iPad orders.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/jp-morgan-ipad-report-2011-9#ixzz1Z62fxPUJ
 
Well, I would say that it's not just Windows 8 but Google's Android that's also contributing to the decline in the iPad (and iPhone) popularity.

Except there is no decline. In fact, just the opposite is true.

What are you inferring this "decline in popularity" from?
 
This is the Windows 8 effect. You think it's a coincidence that demand for the iPad 2 has dropped a staggering 25 percent after Microsoft released the Windows 8 preview?


IIRC, I believe the proper response to this is ROTFLMAO.

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I work in banking and you don't know what your talking about dude.

Research analysts publish bits of info and recommendations to investors. The traders and sales either push the inhouse research pieces to clients or they don't.

Collaboration between research and trading to manipulate the markets is illegal. Its very naive of you to think a firm like JPM will put their reputation on the line for peanuts.


That's funny. Really funny.
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...ew-of-u-s-team-moskowitz-says.html?cmpid=yhoo

"....JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM) analyst Mark Moskowitz said research from his colleagues in Asia about a cut in Apple Inc. (AAPL) iPad orders doesn’t represent the views of the securities firm’s U.S. team.

“Apple is fine,” Moskowitz wrote.

Apple is cutting orders to vendors in the supply chain for its iPad tablet computer, a move that may mean slower sales for companies including Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., according to the earlier report by JPMorgan analyst Gokul Hariharan.

Analysts at other firms also issued research aimed at quelling speculation that demand for iPads had diminished -- a concern that dragged down Apple’s stock as much as 3.2 percent in Nasdaq Stock Market trading yesterday. Chris Caso, an analyst at Susquehanna International Group, said the resulting “chatter” was “misleading” and Gene Munster, at Piper Jaffray Cos., said changes in orders may be the result of Apple moving some iPad manufacturing out of Asia to Brazil.

The earlier report “has the equity markets worried about Apple,” Moskowitz wrote yesterday. “Mr. Hariharan’s report focuses on how Hon Hai could be impacted by potential iPad sell- in order cuts. This alert is not the view of the U.S. IT Hardware team.”

Moskowitz maintained his projection that Apple will sell 10.9 million to 12 million iPads in the fiscal fourth quarter. ..........................."


http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrader...ies-jp-morgan-ipad-concerns/?mod=yahoobarrons

But there was also a confusing near-refutation, it would seem, of Hariharan by his own colleague, Mark Moskowitz, who is the analyst formally covering Apple. (Hariharan just covers Hon Hai Precision, the contract manufacturer that builds the iPad.)

Moskowitz rates Apple shares Overweight.

Without actually refuting Hariharan, Moskowitz distances himself, writing that there is often “noise” in the supply chain, and that one must take an “holistic” view: that Apple’s iPad and iPhone shipment numbers generally keep going up:

"...Mr. Hariharan’s call focuses on the potential impact of supply chain adjustments on Hon Hai Precision, not Apple. We also point out that supply chain adjustments occur often and in varying sizes. Typically, the suppliers, not the OEMs, are most impacted. The supply chain is ever-changing. In general, an implication of an acute supply chain cut could concern investors, but our message to investors is: no need for alarm. In the past nine months, there has been a lot of supply chain noise related to Apple products. Throughout that period, Apple’s operating results and shipment activity continued to increase above expectations. We expect the same going forward...."
 
Would there be a possibility - even remote - that Apple launches iPad 3 right before holiday season?
 
Too many unknowns to draw any conclusion. Seems more likely that it was an attempt to drive down the stock price briefly and fleece investors...again :mad:
 
If they did, it would be brilliant marketing. It would deliver the death blow to Android tablets.

It would be a double-edged sword, though. Ipad 2 is still enjoying a great success, and if Apple begins shortening the product-refresh cycle now, they'll be pressured to reiterate for the iPad 4, around fall 2012 to undercut Windows 8 debut.
On the other hand there would be a compelling technical reason to push iPad 3 in the calendar Q4 2011 and that is the release of the "Assistant" feature (Siri/Nuance). The iPad 2 hardware might be a bit short to deliver optimally on that feature.
 
It would be a double-edged sword, though. Ipad 2 is still enjoying a great success, and if Apple begins shortening the product-refresh cycle now, they'll be pressured to reiterate for the iPad 4, around fall 2012 to undercut Windows 8 debut.
On the other hand there would be a compelling technical reason to push iPad 3 in the calendar Q4 2011 and that is the release of the "Assistant" feature (Siri/Nuance). The iPad 2 hardware might be a bit short to deliver optimally on that feature.

Apple's product cycle is predictable. If they change it, it will really mess up the competition's minds. And iPad 1 was still selling well when iPad 2 came out. I doubt that they will break from from, but if they did, it would blow people away.
 
Apple's product cycle is predictable. If they change it, it will really mess up the competition's minds. And iPad 1 was still selling well when iPad 2 came out. I doubt that they will break from from, but if they did, it would blow people away.
I believe in its first financial statement after the introduction of the iPad, Apple stated that it intended to price and upgrade the iPad aggressively in order to try to prolong its dominant market position. I believe the company even admitted that there was enough leeway built into the price of the iPad that they could afford to do this if necessary (all the more reason for consumers to look forward to competition, in order to encourage Apple to lower its prices). Hopefully Apple does have something up its sleeve to keep the competition at bay if the iPad's market share starts to slip.

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It would be a double-edged sword, though. Ipad 2 is still enjoying a great success, and if Apple begins shortening the product-refresh cycle now, they'll be pressured to reiterate for the iPad 4, around fall 2012 to undercut Windows 8 debut.
On the other hand there would be a compelling technical reason to push iPad 3 in the calendar Q4 2011 and that is the release of the "Assistant" feature (Siri/Nuance). The iPad 2 hardware might be a bit short to deliver optimally on that feature.
Might also be cheaper to manufacture just one configuration of the A5 chip for both the iPhone and the iPad, so I can see the possibility of at least a refresh of the iPad that would support these new features of iOS, perhaps even before Christmas (although first week of Jan. is IMO still more likely).
 
Might also be cheaper to manufacture just one configuration of the A5 chip for both the iPhone and the iPad, so I can see the possibility of at least a refresh of the iPad that would support these new features of iOS, perhaps even before Christmas (although first week of Jan. is IMO still more likely).

iPad 2 is already on A5, but I was thinking more about RAM.
 
This thread seriously depresses me! So the world spends gazzillions and gazzilions to have a robust regulatory framework for equity research and an analyst in JP Morgan's Asian business that covers suppliers uncovers something which has an impact on his stocks and a possible read-across to another bigger stock half way across the world and he/she publishes it.

The actual analyst that covers Apple for JP Morgan and has a more holistic view of the stock (he may well know or track inventory in the channel not just what comes out of one factory in China) and disputes that. Applaud that people. That's how markets work efficiently. Gagging analysts so that the apple cart is not disturbed (excuse the terrible pun) makes less efficient markets. Get over it.

Rant over. If you want an iPad go and buy one! I am sure when the iPad 3 comes out in 2012, it will be even better and faster and whatever. But it won't make the iPad 2 any worse. It will still be a great machine. Better than anything else out there. Yet.
 
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