Analysts Predict Apple Pencil Support for 2019 iPhones

[realtuner]

Sorry for my harsh reply. It's just that I still don't see how a pen would help doing this on the go. Either it's a matter of normal typeface, in which case an onscreen keyboard being operated with fingers would be enough. Or it's actual handwritten text, in which case there is no way this can be adapted quickly, since the flow of the lines is very critical and should be done under calm circumstances.
Or do I miss something here?

I'm not a graphic artist, so perhaps I don't understand your workflow. My point is basically this:

Smartphones are so powerful that people are now using them for many tasks they used to do on their computer. They don't replace your computer, but they can supplement it for many tasks. Over the years as our smartphones have been getting more capable we've seen people perform more of their daily tasks on their smartphones.

So I see high-end software (like Photoshop) coming to the iPhone. Not because people will actually try to create content (or do other heavy lifting) on their iPhone, but so they have the ability (when required) to perform some basic tasks when they're in a bind or not near their primary computer without having to use some gimped "lite" version.

 

[Ronlap]

"Who wants a stylus?" Jobs said while introducing the iPhone, "You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose ‘em. God gave us 10 styluses. Let's not invent another."

 

[manu chao]

"Who wants [to be forced to use] a stylus [to operate the phone]?" Jobs said while introducing the iPhone, "You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose ‘em. God gave us 10 styluses. Let's not invent another."

Why do people always leave out the bolded part? They might be fooling themselves but not many others.

 

[birdieman128]

Need FIND MY PENCIL app.

 

[H3LL5P4WN]

I will never understand people that object to something that they DON'T HAVE TO USE.

Steve Jobs' quote was related to the NECESSITY of a stylus and an interface designed around that necessity.

As a current Galaxy Note8 user, I can appreciate the precision a stylus offers in certain scenarios.

In my mind, this is long overdue, especially for the Plus/Max models.

Why are you even here if you're using one of Samedung's fireballs?

 

[The Game 161]

"Who wants a stylus?" Jobs said while introducing the iPhone, "You have to get 'em, put 'em away, you lose ‘em. God gave us 10 styluses. Let's not invent another."

Which he was wrong

It’s laughable when people on here think he was perfect with the things he said when he wasn’t

 

[StuBeck]

Waiting for the Steve Jobs quote to appear lol

Lol exactly! Of course times change, but this seems a bit weird

 

[travelsheep]

Interesting. I guess if you own an Apple Pencil, it’s primary use is for the iPad. I’m not sure when I’ll need to use an AP on an iPhone.

drawing, it's fun! (if you like drawing)

I tried half a dozen third party pencils and they all are highly flawed, basically unusable.

 

[ksgant]

What I can't understand is why the people that don't want it here are so adamant about it. If you don't need it or want it or can't see a use for it, THEN DON'T USE IT. The condenses here seems to be "Well, I have no need for it and I don't want it...therefore no one should have it".

If it were a case of you had to use it, then I could understand. But just like the iPad Pro, you don't need to even buy the Pencil to use it.

 

[mi7chy]

Apple pencil is great for the iPad, but nobody wants a stylus on a phone.
Go look at Android, and see how many models have a stylus. Just one, the Galaxy Note series. If people wanted a stylus on a phone, all the Chinese OEMs would've made a bunch of them, especially how the Chinese write their language, but no, nobody did it. Why? Because nobody wanted it.

Obviously this is a rumor, and I doubt this will happen.

You can also make the same excuses about phablet, OLED, desktop mode, etc. For the longest time nobody wanted them and only Galaxy Note had it.

 

[Fidgetyrat]

I would buy it had I any devices that supported it. We may have been born with 10 stylii, but a stylus shouldn't have a 1cm tip. Fingers are crap when it comes to precision pointing.

 

[Duel]

Which he was wrong

It’s laughable when people on here think he was perfect with the things he said when he wasn’t

He wasn't wrong, after all these years we still don't operate our phones with stylus.

Stylus is just extra for some who need it for certain tasks. I don't know anyone who use their phone interface with stylus.

 

[eulslix]

What I can't understand is why the people that don't want it here are so adamant about it. If you don't need it or want it or can't see a use for it, THEN DON'T USE IT. The condenses here seems to be "Well, I have no need for it and I don't want it...therefore no one should have it".

If it were a case of you had to use it, then I could understand. But just like the iPad Pro, you don't need to even buy the Pencil to use it.

Because it compromises the user experience, it's the nightmare of every UX designer. Each feature added makes a consistent well thought through experience even harder to managee. So you better make sure there is a god damn good reason for each feature to be part of the product. And this particular feature, while affecting basically every layer of the OS, doesn't even remotely strike me useful. I hope Apple is smarter than that...

 

[travelsheep]

Because it compromises the user experience, it's the nightmare of every UX designer. Each feature added makes a consistent well thought through experience even harder to managee. So you better make sure there is a god damn good reason for each feature to be part of the product. And this particular feature, while affecting basically every layer of the OS, doesn't even remotely strike me useful. I hope Apple is smarter than that...

Please tell me how an Apple Pencil compromises the user experience in ProCreate? Did you ever try to draw with your fingertip? Ever tried to paint some precise lines with your fingers on a touchscreen? I bet you have never.

Have you ever used Wacoms stylus (the top of the market) on iPhone? The lines get drawn before the tip touches, the tip is 2-3 mm away from what is drawn on the screen. It's not precise at all.

Apple Pencil would 1000 % improve the user experience with drawing apps, and it's not a "nightmare of every UX designer", but the programs are already all in place, waiting for some quality input device.
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Does the rumor say that it will be a new kind of pencil, incompatible in all ways with the iPencils 1 and 2 ? If not, it is obviously not legit.

Why should it be another pencil? Apple Pencil 2 is great!

 

[Duel]

Why should it be another pencil? Apple Pencil 2 is great!

It's way too big for phone use. It would have to be something small and handy

 

[rp2011]

I don’t know if the Samsung Note market is of consequence for Apple, but I do know devotees of the stylus that use it on a daily basis that I know would never use another device without their stylus. Especially since it’s so easy to jot a note without much effort.
I barely use my Apple Pencil on the iPad, so it’s not something that means that much to me.
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It's way too big for phone use. It would have to be something small and handy

Absolutely. What makes the Note great is having the stylus with you at all times.

speaking of pencil support, Adobe just released the beta for Fresco. I’ve only just played with it, but it looks really cool.

 

[eulslix]

Please tell me how an Apple Pencil compromises the user experience in ProCreate? Did you ever try to draw with your fingertip? Ever tried to paint some precise lines with your fingers on a touchscreen? I bet you have never.

Have you ever used Wacoms stylus (the top of the market) on iPhone? The lines get drawn before the tip touches, the tip is 2-3 mm away from what is drawn on the screen. It's not precise at all.

Apple Pencil would 1000 % improve the user experience with drawing apps, and it's not a "nightmare of every UX designer", but the programs are already all in place, waiting for some quality input device.
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Why should it be another pencil? Apple Pencil 2 is great!

I have an Apple Pencil 2 on the device where it actually belongs to, and it’s great there...
An iPhone is not the device to draw on and as long as apple doesn’t go for foldable phablets it will never be.

The ux doesn’t end on an app level you know... now that iPadOS and iOS are separated apple can bring in pen related os features without polluting their phone os

 

[rp2011]

I have an Apple Pencil 2 on the device where it actually belongs to, and it’s great there...
An iPhone is not the device to draw on and as long as apple doesn’t go for foldable phablets it will never be.

The ux doesn’t end on an app level you know... now that iPadOS and iOS are separated apple can bring in pen related os features without polluting their phone os.

People I know mostly use it to jot quick notes. The ones who use it, love it.

 

[icymountain]

Why should it be another pencil? Apple Pencil 2 is great!

Just to make sure not to break the incompatibility streak they are on, regarding to iPad accessories. I guess that was just a snarky comment of mine.

 

[BFskinnerPunk]

Nope, Notability only does audio recording while Lecture Notes does audio, video and presentations and have been around for much longer.

https://www.acadoid.com/

I have a note 9 (currently), but lecture notes requires a steep learning curve! Good lord! Notability is super slick and operates with such stability. Wish I had the iQ to figure out how to get lecture notes working..... the recording syncing to the actual notes wasn't nearly as perfect either. Have you tried lecture notes? It seems to work more like OneNote's audio / note sync .... in crude chunks.

 

[Tech198]

The iPhone is now large enough for pencil support. I would have thought smaller devices would of needed this more.

 

[pika2000]

You can also make the same excuses about phablet, OLED, desktop mode, etc. For the longest time nobody wanted them and only Galaxy Note had it.

OLED is natural progression of display technology, and the demand shows that the market likes it.
Phablets are also obvious, market demands it, and everybody makes phablets now.
Desktop mode? That one is still questionable.
Phone with stylus, well, if the market demands it, then why nobody else makes it?
And yeah, Galaxy Note has stylus, one model from dozens other Samsung phones. Even Samsung doesn’t think there’s huge demand for it.

 

[Macaholic868]

Do you hear that?! That is Steve rolling in his grave.

Steve was many things but he was neither infallible nor a deity. The fact of the matter is that a mouse with two buttons can be used in a much more productive way than a mouse with one button used along with various clunky keyboard shortcuts. The fact of the matter is also that a stylus makes perfect sense for a smart phone with a large screen and/or a tablet to get the kind of precision needed for certain applications in certain situations.

Steve was right that a smartphone or tablet’s default UI shouldn’t require a stylus to operate and that the OS and apps built for it should rely on touch as the primary UI. That being said the notion that supporting a stylus, for certain apps that need more precision than touch can provide, is somehow a bad thing is completely and totally asinine.

The iPhone Plus and iPhone X Plus line has a screen that’s simply too large for me. The iPhone X is the perfect size for me. To have the option of using an Apple Pencil to jot down notes on my iPhone X or to draw screen mock-ups on an iPad that doesn’t cost more than $500 is huge. There is a difference between a smartphone or tablet where navigating the UI isn’t possible without a stylus and a smartphone or tablet where a stylus can be a very productive accessory in certain applications under certain use cases.

This move makes perfect sense. So far, post the iPhone X, I haven’t heard of a compelling reason to consider upgrading to a new iPhone. I also haven’t heard of a compelling reason to upgrade my 9.7” iPad Pro. If the 2020 iPhone had support for the Apple Pencil and the same Apple Pencil could work with a 2020 iPad, and if that iPad also had support for a mouse, I’d buy a brand new iPhone and iPad and wouldn’t think twice about it. Without those features I can’t see upgrading my iPhone or iPad anytime soon.

 

[mudguts]

Steve was many things but he was neither infallible nor a deity.

This move makes perfect sense.

The bottom line WRT styluses is where to keep them? Is a stylus going to be kept in the iPhone itself? Where? Will there be a smaller version of the Apple pencil that is made for the iPhone?

This would be a massive change to not only how the iPhone looks and feels (with a stylus included), but even if there isn't an onboard storage place for this thing, then you'll have these damn styluses everywhere. I don't want this.
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Please tell me how an Apple Pencil compromises the user experience in ProCreate? Did you ever try to draw with your fingertip? Ever tried to paint some precise lines with your fingers on a touchscreen? I bet you have never.


Apple Pencil would 1000 % improve the user experience with drawing apps, and it's not a "nightmare of every UX designer", but the programs are already all in place, waiting for some quality input device.
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Not to be rude, but who is drawing such precise details on a damn iPhone? iPads sure, but really?

 

[Franzzz]

PLEASE! I am using Galaxy Note 9 as a phone for one simple reason -the stylus. It is such a good tool, so handy and Versatile! It makes my work a joy. However, all my comps are Macs and I would run to the store to get my first iPhone that I'll use as my phone, the moment Apple offers it - hopefully as versatile (if not more) as Samsung does it.
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