Analysts Predict Apple Pencil Support for 2019 iPhones

[Pakaku]

I though Jobs hated styli of any kind. This goes against Apples core principles.

He said (paraphrasing) that he hated UIs that require a stylus. He didn't say he hated stylus input, only when it's the primary form of input.

The reason an Apple Pencil makes sense (and might have been just fine with Steve) is because it doesn't take away the finger-input design that iOS is built around. They didn't build the first iPhone with a Pencil in mind, and it isn't going to become the primary form of input over a fingertip in the future.

 

[Virinprew]

"Let's use a stylus!"

Try drawing with your fat fingers.

 

[mudguts]

Try it and you will see (I love the S Pen). It's actually a great tool. But Apple will eventually need to figure out how to attach this to the phone. I doubt people are going to take the time to hunt down the pen to use it on their phone.

I understand that some people want to use a pencil/stylus with their phones. Samsung have a phone with this. I am just frightened that apple have lost their way since Steve Jobs has died.

Why should apple copy what Samsung have done? If Samsung users jumped over a cliff, would you?

 

[PastaPrimav]

Well we've heard this about every iPhone since Apple Pencil was released.

But this year it wouldn't surprise me considering they are no longer 3D touch screens, and there is next to nothing else new to offer.

 

[newyorksole]

Well we've heard this about every iPhone since Apple Pencil was released.

But this year it wouldn't surprise me considering they are no longer 3D touch screens, and there is next to nothing else new to offer.

Yeah we’re getting to the point where Apple is starting to really add features that people have been asking for for a while.

 

[iamPro]

In addition to the obvious benefit of greatly benefiting people with drawing, I would also love to use the stylus (on an iPad/iPhone/mac) to scribble in a note and have iOS automatically recognize it as any of a calendar event, note, contact, etc.

 

[iRutherford]

To be fair, he was right though. I have been there and done that and still totally agree with his points.

I had the original Galaxy Note - it was the first phablet and it had a Wacom digitiser in it. It filled a niche nicely and was a market-leading, innovate product. The stylus inserted nicely into the chassis.

I also still have the original Surface Pro, also with a Wacom digitiser, and a Wacom Feel stylus (haven’t lost it yet). It feels much better than the Apple Pencil 2. Only trouble is it is not well aligned on the screen.

Nowadays I use the iPhone SE, iPad Pro with Apple Pencil 2, and occasionally the Mac Mini or Macbook Pro.

I could not image wanting to use an Apple Pencil 2 with a phone of any size. I also hope to see the continuation of the SE, as I prefer to use my phone like a phone, just as I prefer to use the Apple TV to watch TV rather than plugging in a Mac Mini and using its remote control.

Good thing you're not being forced to use it. Apple will not bundle it with your device like Samsung does. But for the rest of us who like the functionality to be available? Yes, please. It's completely optional, you know.

 

[dumastudetto]

That's it for me. I'm ready to order, now!

Let's go!

 

[pika2000]

Apple pencil is great for the iPad, but nobody wants a stylus on a phone.
Go look at Android, and see how many models have a stylus. Just one, the Galaxy Note series. If people wanted a stylus on a phone, all the Chinese OEMs would've made a bunch of them, especially how the Chinese write their language, but no, nobody did it. Why? Because nobody wanted it.

Obviously this is a rumor, and I doubt this will happen.

 

[sakurarain]

there is no fixed rule for business, including what Steve said, $$$ and market decide everything.

 

[pika2000]

Yeah we’re getting to the point where Apple is starting to really add features that people have been asking for for a while.

Nobody ask for a stylus phone. Heck, how many Android phones out there come with a stylus?
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I understand that some people want to use a pencil/stylus with their phones. Samsung have a phone with this. I am just frightened that apple have lost their way since Steve Jobs has died.

Why should apple copy what Samsung have done? If Samsung users jumped over a cliff, would you?

Keyword, A phone. From all bajillion phone models Samsung make, only one has a stylus. So demand must be really really niche for it. I doubt this rumor is legit.
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Simply not true. For example in a case when a monopolist company makes a single version of its product.

There’s no 4” iPhone that would suit some users.

A company making one version of its product is NOT a monopoly. You should first read up what monopoly means.

And show me actual demand for 4" phone. Even $100 Android phones have at least 5.5" to 6" screens now. If the demand for 4" phone is so great, companies would be making them. But the market says otherwise.

 

[mudguts]

Nobody ask for a stylus phone. Heck, how many Android phones out there come with a stylus?

Exactly. You want a phone with a stylus? Check out android.

 

[LiveM]

Good thing you're not being forced to use it. Apple will not bundle it with your device like Samsung does. But for the rest of us who like the functionality to be available? Yes, please. It's completely optional, you know.

Too many options is what almost killed Apple before Jobs returned.

 

[fairuz]

Steve Jobs is rolling over in his grave. I love this company and its products, but lately..... It's a company nearing its peak, or simply a bit past it.

Like the large screen Jobs strictly forbade, the stylus might really be what people want long-term. Only they're not truly useful. Idk if Jobs anticipated phones becoming drugs where people are on them so much that they actually want such heavy-duty hardware. Large screen and stylus work great for binging on social media.

I use my phone only for what is really useful, and I still find the iPhone 5 screen size the best for that.
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Good thing you're not being forced to use it. Apple will not bundle it with your device like Samsung does. But for the rest of us who like the functionality to be available? Yes, please. It's completely optional, you know.

- Says John Scully.

 

[JGIGS]

Photoshop on iPhone. It’s coming for iPad, so why not the iPhone?

Before the inevitable comments about how ridiculous it would be to use Photoshop on an iPhone, there’s one good use case:

When a client calls you and likes the ad you created (for example) but just has one small change to make and it’ll be perfect. Load it up on your iPhone, make the change and done.

It’s not for doing the heavy lifting of creating the content. It’s to give you the ability to fine-tune content at the last minute.

Ya but again are you going to be out carrying around an Apple Pencil in your pocket? It’s probably attached to your iPad in your bag or at home why not just use the iPad?

I mean hard for me to say I don’t use photoshop or do artsy things so personally I don’t really have a need for it in general. But unless it fits somewhere as part of your phone it seems kinda pointless unless you don’t have an iPad I guess?

I mean it doesn’t hurt to have the capability. I just don’t see it being super useful and don’t want to have to pay more for a device to have a feature I don’t need or see as being that useful. If it doesn’t really impact price no harm no foul.

 

[fairuz]

Too many options is what almost killed Apple before Jobs returned.

Exactly. I don't care how big and valuable a company is, they need focus.
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He said (paraphrasing) that he hated UIs that require a stylus. He didn't say he hated stylus input, only when it's the primary form of input.

The reason an Apple Pencil makes sense (and might have been just fine with Steve) is because it doesn't take away the finger-input design that iOS is built around. They didn't build the first iPhone with a Pencil in mind, and it isn't going to become the primary form of input over a fingertip in the future.

While this makes sense, they had many years to add an optional stylus and never did so, so maybe he really opposed it.

 

[Shanghaichica]

I understand that some people want to use a pencil/stylus with their phones. Samsung have a phone with this. I am just frightened that apple have lost their way since Steve Jobs has died.

Why should apple copy what Samsung have done? If Samsung users jumped over a cliff, would you?

Because Apple aren’t the only company with ideas. They all take inspiration from each other.

 

[Pakaku]

While this makes sense, they had many years to add an optional stylus and never did so, so maybe he really opposed it.

I think what happened was there were pens before the Pencil, which gradually evolved more and more, and more apps started supporting specialized pens that could support features like pressure sensitivity (extremely important for digital art.) So I think once Apple saw art and writing becoming a really viable thing on iOS, that's when they figured an official Pencil would sell well.

It also doesn't hurt that by then, iOS had enough time to evolve as a solid OS that could do a lot with just fingertip input alone, so that probably helped Apple feel safer about making a Pencil as an accessory.

 

[BvizioN]

On a tablet, it kind of makes sense (for productive apps such as Lightroom, Photoshop, Lumia Fusion, etc which are more common on tablets) but I find it strange the idea of a pencil being used on a small display that works perfectly with finger touch input. What's the next ridiculous request? Mouse support on an iPhone? That wouldn't surprise me either!

 

[saintstryfe]

Exactly. I don't care how big and valuable a company is, they need focus.
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While this makes sense, they had many years to add an optional stylus and never did so, so maybe he really opposed it.

Yes, but he didn't have the ultra-high resolution screens we do today.

 

[himanshumodi]

Ya but making art on a smaller iphone screen? I dunno. I get it for iPads but I've even seen artist say the 11" is a bit small or drawing so I can't image even the large iphones being good for this.

I'm not an artist and I think I can actually type faster than I can write so wouldn't be much use to me personally. Unless the pencil fits inside the iphone I'm not carrying the pencil around in my pocket. Seems a bit pointless to me but I'm also not the target as I wouldn't even buy one for an ipad because I don't draw and writing notes makes less sense than typing or using voice to text.

But, I mean I guess it doesn't hurt to be able to use it on an iphone though I just hope it doesn't impact the cost of an iphone too drastically.

I agree. I don't know what additional components are required in the display to work with the pencil, and if it ends up increasing the cost, its a pretty poor decision.

If for the same cost, I get a feature, that I am not going to use, I am indifferent. I am not going to rant about the opportunity loss of REDUCING the cost of iPhone by not giving the feature, because that was not going to happen anyways.

Oh well... I have made teeny-tiny paintings on the original iPod Touch with fingers back before the iPad showed up. It's a fun recreational activity more than anything serious. Perhaps I will do it more often again. Got to buy one of the newer iPads first though. I am certainly not going to buy a pencil JUST for the iPhone.

 

[mudguts]

Like the large screen Jobs strictly forbade, the stylus might really be what people want long-term. Only they're not truly useful. Idk if Jobs anticipated phones becoming drugs where people are on them so much that they actually want such heavy-duty hardware. Large screen and stylus work great for binging on social media.

I use my phone only for what is really useful, and I still find the iPhone 5 screen size the best for that.
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- Says John Scully.

Exactly. I think that Steve Job's death was the beginning of the end for Apple.
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Because Apple aren’t the only company with ideas. They all take inspiration from each other.

Again, if Samsung thought it was a great idea to, I don't know, say headbutt people instead of saying hello, would you then do this?

 

[pika2000]

On a tablet, it kind of makes sense (for productive apps such as Lightroom, Photoshop, Lumia Fusion, etc which are more common on tablets) but I find it strange the idea of a pencil being used on a small display that works perfectly with finger touch input. What's the next ridiculous request? Mouse support on an iPhone? That wouldn't surprise me either!

Yup, on the iPad, it makes sense. On the iPhone, not really. Besides, if there’s really huge demand for stylus on phones, you would think all the Chinese phone makers would cater to them, but no, so far only Samsung with one model.

Stylus on phones have been done before, and the tech has evolved into capacitive screen with multitouch.

 

[vmistery]

This is my upgrade year so I am very much hoping for more than the additional Camera and Pencil support. That said my X is holding up absolutely fine other than on battery life so I guess I could wait till 2020 and just upgrade my S2 watch this year instead.

 

[dantroline]

I hope this comes true.

Yes, and then we can say Apple had it all worked out before Samsung!