AnandTech Calls A12 Bionic in iPhone XS 'Just Margins Off' Best Desktop CPUs in New Review

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    AnandTech, known for in-depth reviews of new Apple products, today published a lengthy review of the iPhone XS and XS Max, Apple's newest flagship iPhones.

    AnandTech's review takes a deep dive into the A12 chip in the two smartphones, which is the first commercially available 7nm silicon.

    Image of A12 SoC via TechInsights with labeling by AnandTech​

    According to AnandTech, the A12 chip features a major revamp of the neural accelerator, a redesigned system cache that features the "biggest change since its introduction in the A7," significant changes to the CPU core, and memory compression for the GPU, all of which has led to impressive performance improvements.

    Based on SPECint2006 benchmarking, the A12 performed an average of 24 percent better than the A11 in the previous-generation devices. When it comes to power efficiency, the A12 improved by 12 percent, but with memory heavy workloads, power consumption was up, for an average power usage of ~3.36W on the A11 to 3.64W on the A12.


    SPECfp benchmarking saw average performance gains of 28 percent, and again, workloads with major improvements also resulted in increased power consumption.

    AnandTech's benchmarking tests suggest that the A12's Vortex cores and architectural improvements offer a "much higher performance advantage than Apple's marketing materials promote." Apple's A12 beat the best Android SoCs both in performance and power efficiency.

    AnandTech says that it's "quite astonishing" how close the A12 and the previous-generation A11 are to desktop CPUs, with "very small margins until Apple's mobile SoCs outperform the fastest desktop CPUs in terms of ST performance."

    As part of the review, AnandTech also offered a look at how Apple has improved performance in older devices by tweaking scaling performance. The A9 in the iPhone 6s, for example, took 435ms for the CPU to reach maximum frequency, but that time was cut to 80ms in iOS 12 for a "great boost to performance in shorter interactive workloads."

    Similar improvements were made to the A10 (going from a 400ms ramp up time to 210ms), but there was little change to the A11.


    All in all, AnandTech said the iPhone XS and XS Max are a "big shift" for Apple's lineup with a "beast of an SoC" that's offering performance improvements of up to 40 percent.
    The full iPhone XS and XS Max review from AnandTech is well worth checking out for those who would like to get a deeper technical look at the components inside the two new devices. It goes into much greater detail on the CPU and GPU in the iPhone XS and XS Max, while also taking a look at the camera, battery, display, and other components.

    Article Link: AnandTech Calls A12 Bionic in iPhone XS 'Just Margins Off' Best Desktop CPUs in New Review
  2. tCdemon macrumors member


    May 26, 2008
    Rossmoor, CA, USA
    Two A12 processors in the new iPad Pro! I can only dream of what I can do!
  3. blackberrycubed macrumors 6502a

    Feb 26, 2013
  4. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended


    Jul 10, 2008
    Maybe not underselling the improvements but you know people LOVE to jump all over them if they even slightly overstate a thing. Why risk it. Pure performance has never been a focus of the iPhone.
  5. G5isAlive macrumors 6502a

    Aug 28, 2003
    But everyone says there is no big difference between the 10XS and X!
  6. macrumors 68000

    May 25, 2012
    Pretty amazing I feel like they always undersell their processors. If guess in a few years that they replace atleast the weaker MacBook processors.
  7. BootsWalking macrumors 65816

    Feb 1, 2014
    Apple's iOS processors are technological marvels. I can't wait for Apple to start putting them into Macs.
  8. magicschoolbus macrumors 65816


    May 27, 2014
    Time to invest in TSMC. Once they start making those processors for Mac.. watch out.
  9. Nicksd84 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 4, 2010
    Atlanta, GA
    Are they powerful enough to run picture in picture video? Jokes and jokes and jokes.
  10. Ramchi macrumors 6502a


    Dec 13, 2007
    A Ferrari without an can roar a well..
  11. JPack macrumors 601


    Mar 27, 2017
    Interesting note about Apple's OLED power consumption:

    "One thing to also very much to take into account is the base power consumption of the phones. The iPhone X, XS and XS Max all fluctuate around 480-500 mW when on a black screen, which is around 150mW more than the iPhone 8 LCD models. This might not sound much, but’s it’s an absolutely huge figure when taking into account that it’s an unavoidable power consumption of the phone whenever the screen is on. I do hope Samsung and Apple alike would be able to focus more on optimising this, as like we’re about to see, it will have an impact on battery life."
    Looks like Apple hasn't focused on OLED power consumption for this generation, which could explain why the XR has such a significantly higher battery rating.
  12. jk1211 macrumors 6502

    Sep 13, 2018
    That makes no sense. On OLED black means pixels are totally off.

    So theyre saying an OLED basically in standby takes 150mW more power than LCD driving all pixels turned on? That sounds very odd.

    Im surprised the iphone screen takes almost 150mW more power at 200cd/m² than the Galaxy S9+ despite both built by Samsung.
  13. DNichter macrumors G3


    Apr 27, 2015
    Philadelphia, PA
    Not surprising to me at all. Apple's chip team has been probably the most innovative part of the company and overall tech industry in recent years. I have no doubt that Apple will be moving to their own chip designs for their desktop and laptops. As someone who uses iOS only for work and personal, I am excited to see what they keep coming up with. This type of power coupled with pretty big software changes in iOS 13, a great platform should get even better. Google and other Android OEM's have to be looking at this in envy considering none of them control of their own fate the way Apple does. Google holds the cards on that end though, should be an interesting 3-5 years.
  14. chucker23n1 macrumors 68020


    Dec 7, 2014
    Two things I find weird about this article:

    • it mentions desktop-class performance several times, but never seems to actually compare A12 results to those in a Coffee Lake or Ryzen (or even just Apollo Lake) CPU
    • it laments the relative lack of iOS benchmarks but doesn't try Geekbench

    It wouldn't be the first time that the iPad Pro gets more cores than the iPhone.

    (For example, the current iPad Pro features a six-core A10, whereas the iPhone 7 had a four-core A10.)

    A setup where the next iPad Pro comes with an eight- or ten-core A12 instead of the iPhone's six cores is plausible.
  15. DNichter macrumors G3


    Apr 27, 2015
    Philadelphia, PA
    Of course, already do.
  16. Return Zero macrumors 6502a

    Return Zero

    Oct 2, 2013
    Their continued progress with these chips might be the most impressive thing Apple has done post-Jobs. It is absolutely incredible, blowing away all competition like this.
  17. noraa macrumors 6502

    Jun 23, 2003
    Imagine one of these chips in a desktop or laptop that is not limited by the constraints of an iPhone or iPad. Especially with proper cooling, these chips could be absolute beasts.

    When rumors starting swirling about Apple potentially moving the Mac lineup to the A series of chips, I was pretty skeptical and concerned. But at this point I'm actually excited by the prospect. The biggest issue will be the transition from x86 to the ARM architecture - but Apple has proven to be quite good at those types of transitions.
  18. mi7chy macrumors 603


    Oct 24, 2014
  19. magicschoolbus macrumors 65816


    May 27, 2014
    Just wait until they figure out how to put these things inside an Apple watch. Will you just walk up to a screen and be able to beam an entire OS/computer to it?
  20. Amacfa macrumors 68000


    May 22, 2009
    This is what real companies do. They don’t try to sell you, it sells itself.
  21. DNichter macrumors G3


    Apr 27, 2015
    Philadelphia, PA
    Totally agree. People for a few years were thinking they'd just throw an A series chip in a laptop and call it a day. With Apple actually building it without the restraints you mention, I have no doubt they can make a significant impact in their laptops (to start, probably the mini too) and potentially desktops eventually. It makes complete sense for Apple.
  22. mrzz Suspended

    Mar 25, 2017
    I hope this won't happen any time soon as HW without SW is kind of useless. I really don't want anything like iOS on Mac
  23. iapplelove macrumors 601


    Nov 22, 2011
    East Coast USA
    There isn’t.
  24. skitidetdu macrumors 6502


    Mar 7, 2013
    Same here, my guess it won't happen until maybe 2020 but with 2 more years of innovation and progress it will be awesome!
  25. MRrainer macrumors 65816

    Aug 8, 2008
    Zurich, Switzerland
    Microsoft is gearing up for ARM, too (again).

    Once there's MS Office, the sky is the limit.

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