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I think this reviewer who I mostly agree with, sums up Star Wars and where it is at perfectly.

There is a whole universe to tell stories in, and yet Disney goes the "safe" route and treats it like a business, completely removing the art from storytelling, just as they do with everything else they make these days. This is sadly not isolated with Disney either, all the big movies are after the money first and because of that it influences the stories they put out, rather than simply trying to tell a good story.
 
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Yes. There will be 4 3-episode arcs covering the period between where Andor left off and Rogue One begins.
My understanding as well is that the beginning of each arc jumps ahead in time a bit as well. So, we won't be seeing a day to day progression, but time jumps between arcs.
 
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I think this reviewer who I mostly agree with, sums up Star Wars and where it is at perfectly.

There is a whole universe to tell stories in, and yet Disney goes the "safe" route and treats it like a business, completely removing the art from storytelling, just as they do with everything else they make these days. This is sadly not isolated with Disney either, all the big movies are after the money first and because of that it influences the stories they put out, rather than simply trying to tell a good story.
At the risk of derailing this thread, I'll just point out one thing…

The following two Star Wars shows had a plan. Someone in authority somewhere, had one. And the result was more than one season.

Andor - Tony Gilroy had a plan…

Ahsoka - Dave Filoni had/has a plan. And it's based on other plans and other things that he has gamed out over the years. It's all planned.

As J.J. Abrams himself learned and so irritatingly pointed out…no one at Disney had a plan when it came to the sequels.

If no one knows where they are going, you have nothing.
 
As J.J. Abrams himself learned and so irritatingly pointed out…no one at Disney had a plan when it came to the sequels.
I remember watching that interview where he said that there was no REAL plan for the sequels and that they were just making it up as they went because they didn't have any other "source material"...

I SCREAMED at my TV.

Say what you will about the OT and prequels. Good. Bad. Whatever. At least Lucas had the forethought to plan and write each trilogy and each movie out as its own entity but each movie also became an important piece to the larger puzzle.

I remember watching TFA and instantly noticing that they hit all three planet types in one movie (Desert/Sand, Forest and snow) and thinking that cant be a coincidence. Then add in all of the other elements that were recycled and you quickly realize how much of a focus group train wreck it is. I think even George Lucas said something to the effect of "TFA didn't bring anything new to the story".

TLJ will always have its issues. Far too many to list here and I didn't think it was possible but ROS was even worse than TLJ. Just more recycled elements that were given a new coat of paint.

To this day, I've only seen ROS once. I have the blu ray and digital copy. I haven't watched it in 5 years.

The thing that makes the sequel trilogy even worse is that the Collin Trevorrow movie would have been (possibly) amazing but it was scrapped and again, the focus groups decided they wanted to recycle Return of the Jedi instead...
 
At the risk of derailing this thread, I'll just point out one thing…

The following two Star Wars shows had a plan. Someone in authority somewhere, had one. And the result was more than one season.

Andor - Tony Gilroy had a plan…

Ahsoka - Dave Filoni had/has a plan. And it's based on other plans and other things that he has gamed out over the years. It's all planned.

As J.J. Abrams himself learned and so irritatingly pointed out…no one at Disney had a plan when it came to the sequels.

If no one knows where they are going, you have nothing.
With fortunes at your disposal, this (7,8,9) WAS inexcusable, and plain as day, recycle not innovate, no meaningful new chapters. They killed the franchise. 🤬
 
I think this reviewer who I mostly agree with, sums up Star Wars and where it is at perfectly.

There is a whole universe to tell stories in, and yet Disney goes the "safe" route and treats it like a business, completely removing the art from storytelling, just as they do with everything else they make these days. This is sadly not isolated with Disney either, all the big movies are after the money first and because of that it influences the stories they put out, rather than simply trying to tell a good story.
SC one episode and done. I don’t want kids entertainment like this.
 
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With fortunes at your disposal, this (7,8,9) WAS inexcusable, and plain as day, recycle not innovate, no meaningful new chapters. They killed the franchise. 🤬

I made the unfortunate mistake of assuming when Lucas sold the IP, that Disney would have a plan - backed by their money. Alas, as Abrams pointed out it was left to each director to just go wherever they felt like. Abrams himself just basically redid New Hope. We all waited so many years for what we got, it wasn't worth it.

And…I hope Rian Johnson is never allowed to touch SW ever again. If there'd been a plan, he could have been told 'stick to the plan or walk'. Without a plan, the third movie was simply throwing stuff at the wall to try and 'fix' what Johnson screwed up.
 
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I made the unfortunate mistake of assuming when Lucas sold the IP, that Disney would have a plan - backed by their money. Alas, as Abrams pointed out it was left to each director to just go wherever they felt like. Abrams himself just basically redid New Hope. We all waited so many years for what we got, it wasn't worth it.

And…I hope Rian Johnson is never allowed to touch SW ever again. If there'd been a plan, he could have been told 'stick to the plan or walk'. Without a plan, the third movie was simply throwing stuff at the wall to try and 'fix' what Johnson screwed up.
After Lost, I had high hopes for Abrams and Bad Robot. It became clear, this is not a position of honor, nurturing and creative custodianship, in huge part, it’s fooling us and wringing $$$ out of dissapointed suckers when their creative juices can’t meet the challenge. 😓
 
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After Lost, I had high hopes for Abrams and Bad Robot. It became clear, this is not a position of honor, nurturing and creative custodianship, in huge part, it’s fooling us and wringing $$$ out of dissapointed suckers when their creative juices can’t meet the challenge. 😓
Paramount has fallen into this trap. Use the Star Trek IP to try and get as much money from it as you can.

Hence a Section 31 film which isn't directed at actual Trek fans, but meant to try and attract a new audience by throwing the ideals of the franchise under the bus.

It always goes back to money.
 
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A fun what-if exercise -- what if Kevin Feige had been put in charge of the SW franchise, and Kathleen Kennedy the Marvel franchise? Would things have turned out the same. I don't think so.

Rewrites, reshoots, changing directors, changing writers, and projects that die in development are all normal in the course of the business. Sometimes, projects can overcome them (like Rogue One). Often, they can't (Solo, Ep 9, etc.)

But it seems to be a plague on the SW franchise, and that's just poor management.

How did she manage to hire two guys for Solo, and then later figure out that the way they make movies was a poor fit? Once is excusable, but not a pattern of behavior.

Feige actually had a harder job, having to build/rebuild something. KK has fumbled what is probably one of the surest bets there is in entertainment, and there is still a lack of direction of where the franchise wants to go, other than cranking out more stuff for revenue.

Superhero movies are often criticized for rehashing the same stories, often origin stories, over and over again. Which is valid.

Yet with SW, such a rich universe with so much potential to be mined, couldn't help but repeat the middle trilogy again, and rehash the same characters. Boba Fett was kind of a cool supporting character, but did he deserve his own show? Even as an admitted filler between Mando seasons, it was mostly a failure.

But, that's Disney now.

JJ is good, but overrated. I don't blame him for Lost. That fell on Lindelof and Cuse, who ran the show, and obviously made it up as they went along, and wrote themselves into a corner. I don't think I'm spoiling anything here, but if so, too bad, but I would have been fine if the show had ended with the white screen at the end of the Dharma camp, instead of the golden piss cave.. The show's greatest strength was its sense of mystery, and trying to explain everything as it tried to do just undermined the whole premise of the show. Who cares if the audience, and network execs wanted it tied up in a bow.
 
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A fun what-if exercise -- what if Kevin Feige had been put in charge of the SW franchise, and Kathleen Kennedy the Marvel franchise? Would things have turned out the same. I don't think so.

Rewrites, reshoots, changing directors, changing writers, and projects that die in development are all normal in the course of the business. Sometimes, projects can overcome them (like Rogue One). Often, they can't (Solo, Ep 9, etc.)

But it seems to be a plague on the SW franchise, and that's just poor management.

How did she manage to hire two guys for Solo, and then later figure out that the way they make movies was a poor fit? Once is excusable, but not a pattern of behavior.

Feige actually had a harder job, having to build/rebuild something. KK has fumbled what is probably one of the surest bets there is in entertainment, and there is still a lack of direction of where the franchise wants to go, other than cranking out more stuff for revenue.

Superhero movies are often criticized for rehashing the same stories, often origin stories, over and over again. Which is valid.

Yet with SW, such a rich universe with so much potential to be mined, couldn't help but repeat the middle trilogy again, and rehash the same characters. Boba Fett was kind of a cool supporting character, but did he deserve his own show? Even as an admitted filler between Mando seasons, it was mostly a failure.

But, that's Disney now.

JJ is good, but overrated. I don't blame him for Lost. That fell on Lindelof and Cuse, who ran the show, and obviously made it up as they went along, and wrote themselves into a corner. I don't think I'm spoiling anything here, but if so, too bad, but I would have been fine if the show had ended with the white screen at the end of the Dharma camp, instead of the golden piss cave.. The show's greatest strength was its sense of mystery, and trying to explain everything as it tried to do just undermined the whole premise of the show. Who cares if the audience, and network execs wanted it tied up in a bow.
Whatever show with established IP you may want to name, lately most have fallen victim to corporate profiteering. It seems the studios want to establish new audiences because they want money coming in going forward. And that's fine, but what's been happening is that they rehash things in order to present the same thing that worked before to a new audience.

Only, you end up alienating the old audience who has seen all this before. If you're going to rehash, just do it with the original characters! But the old audience they've written off. Either they will come and watch or they aren't worth the time. So, you get crazy ideas that go against the core ideals of whatever IP we're discussing and you end up with neither old or new audiences interested.

I'm all for new, and I'm all for new takes on old things. But throwing established canon or venerated characters under the bus isn't the way to do it.

This is why Dave Filoni's vehicles have had some measure of success. He has considered things and he doesn't just toss things in for fan service or just because. It has to make sense. If you're tapping existing cannon, then there has to be a respect for it. Otherwise, don't touch it. If you don't talk down to your audience then they will show up. Old and new.
 
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Whatever show with established IP you may want to name, lately most have fallen victim to corporate profiteering. It seems the studios want to establish new audiences because they want money coming in going forward. And that's fine, but what's been happening is that they rehash things in order to present the same thing that worked before to a new audience.

But things like Superman's origin story can't really be changed. You can modify it a bit, but you are stuck with a rehash of it.

Personally I think they are coming too close on the heels of each other. I mean how many different Spiderman series have we had just since 2000? You need at least 15-20 years between them. Just find new adventures for the character for a few movies before you start over.

Note, they aren't remaking Star Wars.
 
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I am excited!
As am I.

I read elsewhere that since the story is broken into four groups of three episodes (each group deals with about one year of time leading into Rogue One), then three episodes will drop each week. So you get your beginning, middle and end for that particular time frame each week.

Don't know if that is correct, but I think it's great if they do it that way.
 
Me Four! :)
It still amazes me how a speech presented at a wake “while you’ve been asleep” can feel so powerful. I feel a connection to this in our lives.

So here it is, the trailer for season 2 of Andor coming April 22!


I am excited!

This is what Star Wars should be…the difference between pros, good writing and direction, and money grubbing hacks.
 
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As am I.

I read elsewhere that since the story is broken into four groups of three episodes (each group deals with about one year of time leading into Rogue One), then three episodes will drop each week. So you get your beginning, middle and end for that particular time frame each week.

Don't know if that is correct, but I think it's great if they do it that way.

I hate watching single episodes now. I might watch in groups of three or let the entire season drop before jumping in.
 
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I watched the first episode, and will consume the other two in the first trio since they dropped all three.

Like stepping into a familiar pair of shoes -- a good thing. I got a chuckle out of the scene in the hangar.

But, despite knowing that it's the natural course of the story, watching with a sense of dread that there will be no more.
 
I watched the first episode, and will consume the other two in the first trio since they dropped all three.

Like stepping into a familiar pair of shoes -- a good thing. I got a chuckle out of the scene in the hangar.

But, despite knowing that it's the natural course of the story, watching with a sense of dread that there will be no more.
I thought it quite funny too, still haven't watched the next two episodes. Just a reminder everyone not to post spoilers unless hidden in the "spoiler tag"! ;)

Example:

I thought it interesting that Andor is now held by another rebel group, not rival as they don't know who the others are and this group is split. Pretty realistic, I wrote papers in university about the Greek Civil war which had it's first round during the occupation when the main communist resistance fought against the loyalist resistance - despite them having ostensibly the same enemy.
 
I remember watching that interview where he said that there was no REAL plan for the sequels and that they were just making it up as they went because they didn't have any other "source material"...

I SCREAMED at my TV.

Say what you will about the OT and prequels. Good. Bad. Whatever. At least Lucas had the forethought to plan and write each trilogy and each movie out as its own entity but each movie also became an important piece to the larger puzzle.

I remember watching TFA and instantly noticing that they hit all three planet types in one movie (Desert/Sand, Forest and snow) and thinking that cant be a coincidence. Then add in all of the other elements that were recycled and you quickly realize how much of a focus group train wreck it is. I think even George Lucas said something to the effect of "TFA didn't bring anything new to the story".

TLJ will always have its issues. Far too many to list here and I didn't think it was possible but ROS was even worse than TLJ. Just more recycled elements that were given a new coat of paint.

To this day, I've only seen ROS once. I have the blu ray and digital copy. I haven't watched it in 5 years.

The thing that makes the sequel trilogy even worse is that the Collin Trevorrow movie would have been (possibly) amazing but it was scrapped and again, the focus groups decided they wanted to recycle Return of the Jedi instead...

I mean seriously... There is literally hundreds of stories, both comic book wise and regular books that they could have laid out and setup soooooo many future projects with. For crying out loud... yeah, when I heard this too...


Andor Season Two.

Only watched the first episode...
The scene in the hanger and the fact they didn't show the taking out of the snow trooper, but we get to see the big hole in the hanger door... ha. Both me and the wife chuckled.
 
I’ve not looked at any spoilers, will start this soon, probably repeat the last episode of Season 1 or hell, might rewatch the entire first season for the third time…then hop on Season 2. 🤔
 
I’ve not looked at any spoilers, will start this soon, probably repeat the last episode of Season 1 or hell, might rewatch the entire first season for the third time…then hop on Season 2. 🤔
I re-watched the first season last week and it was a nice recap.
 
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Ok that was intense:

"Grape" in Star Wars? Someone read their history of well every brutal occupation and totalitarian system ever. So I don't agree with the complaints. Poor Bix, I mean glad the creepy officer was killed but wow more trauma.
The wedding was epic, real imgination in the decor and ceremony I wonder what inspired the get up. The looming threat was really thick though through it all.
The dinner with the mom was some comedy relief.
Brasso: NOOOOOOOOOO! 😢😭 I KNEW when the stormtrooper raised his rifle he was going to hit - my slight relief when Andor strafed the troops vanished when he found Brasso's body. No plot armour or incompetent soldiers here.
I just know most of these characters are doomed but still want to see it played out.
 
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