Android 10 Announced as Google Drops Dessert-Inspired Names

[realtuner]

It's a category on the decline. This is not a fallacy this is a fact. Here are some actual facts to add to the discussion...

Last three years in unit sales

2016: Tablets: 174.9 million, PC (desktop/laptop): 260.1 million

2017: Tablets: 163 million PC (desktop/laptop): 260.1 million

2018: Tablets: 150.3 million PC (desktop/laptop) 256.7 million


iPad specifically..


iPad 2016: 45.59 million

iPad 2017: 43.75 million

iPad 2018: 43.5 million

Bear in mind that at its peak in 2014 Apple were selling nearly 68 million a year.

Sooooo....

Over the 3 years you listed tablets overall dropped 25 million (15%) but the iPad only dropped 2 million (5%) and somehow that's bad for Apple? I know Apple stopped reporting sales figures, but iPad revenues have been up the last 3 quarters compared to a year ago. You know, if you want to look at more recent data.

Its still a decent business for them, based on those numbers iPads account for nearly a third of all tablet sales.

The industry in general seems to be turning away from tablets though, Google are done with them and Microsoft seem to have backed away from the Suface Pro "Tablet with a keyboard cover" device a bit recently. The Surface Book and obviously the Surface Laptop suggest a move back towards traditional laptop style hardware.

Hardly. The market is turning away from tablets other than the iPad. Developers are still cranking out new and powerful Apps for the iPad (including full blown Photoshop) and Apple continues to push the envelope with their 'X' versions of their SoCs. Now with iPadOS Apple is making the iPad even more useful than it was.

Microsoft is moving back because they realized that Windows Apps that aren't properly optimized for touch aren't that great to use. They had the same problem Android did - developers who can't be bothered to optimize for tablets, and take the easy way out relying on built-in tools to make Apps "just work" on tablets. Except they don't.

Google doesn't seem to know what they want to do. Google Chrome, running Android Apps on Chrome (which is pointless as developers who won't optimize for tablets certainly won't optimize for Chromebooks), Fucshia....they don't seem to have any kind of plan regarding their various OSes.

 

[Johns12]

It's funny to read the elitist and over the top posts going on here. I have owned only Apple computers and IPhones for the last 20 years. I made a switch to Android (Note 8) two years ago. According to the posters on this thread, I should now be discarded by friends because of my green bubble, can no longer do anything on my phone because of apps that are totally useless, and also will not get any upgrades so the phone will become useless and ripe for attack by bad guys.

Oh my. I have had almost no problems with my switch to Android. My wife still uses an IPhone and we still like each other. How is this possible??????????

 

[Rob_2811]

Sooooo....

Over the 3 years you listed tablets overall dropped 25 million (15%) but the iPad only dropped 2 million (5%) and somehow that's bad for Apple? I know Apple stopped reporting sales figures, but iPad revenues have been up the last 3 quarters compared to a year ago. You know, if you want to look at more recent data.

Well yeah if you just see what you want to see. As I pointed out at the iPads peak in 2014 Apple were selling way over 60 million units.

Yes iPad revenues have been up recently because they pulled their favourite trick, put the prices up to offset falling unit sales. They did exactly the same with the iPhone.

The problem is, as Apple has found out with iPhones, there are just less people who are willing to spend $1000 on a device and if they do they are going to hold on to it for years.

Google doesn't seem to know what they want to do. Google Chrome, running Android Apps on Chrome (which is pointless as developers who won't optimize for tablets certainly won't optimize for Chromebooks), Fucshia....they don't seem to have any kind of plan regarding their various OSes.

They are doing a good job of gobbling up the education market with Chromebook. Doesn't seem to be happening for the iPad.

 

[pika2000]

I still think Google should just forego announcing new Android versions and do silent updates like what they do with Chrome. I mean really, what’s the significance of Android 10 when more than half of Android users are still on Android 7 Nougat or older? It became pointless, as it only fuels the tech youtubers to blab about new phones.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I bet iOS 13 has a higher installed base in 24 hours than Android 10 will have by this time next year.

You're right, but everyone will still have Android/Google services and system apps updated without a firmware update. iOS needs a firmware upgrade just to make minor tweaks.

 

[mi7chy]

You're right, but everyone will still have Android/Google services and system apps updated without a firmware update. iOS needs a firmware upgrade just to make minor tweaks.

Good point. Browser on iOS is updated through iOS update which is suboptimal compared to Android updating the browser through Google Play Store without requiring a reboot and downtime. Real issue is when the Apple device stops getting iOS updates the browser becomes outdated, insecure and/or non-functional but that's probably Apple's intentional obsolescence plan to force new device purchases whereas the Android device continues to get browser updates even after OS updates stop.

 

[realtuner]

Well yeah if you just see what you want to see. As I pointed out at the iPads peak in 2014 Apple were selling way over 60 million units.

Yes iPad revenues have been up recently because they pulled their favourite trick, put the prices up to offset falling unit sales. They did exactly the same with the iPhone.

The problem is, as Apple has found out with iPhones, there are just less people who are willing to spend $1000 on a device and if they do they are going to hold on to it for years.

They are doing a good job of gobbling up the education market with Chromebook. Doesn't seem to be happening for the iPad.

Only in the US. Chromebooks are way behind in the rest of the world. And as soon as kids get smart they dump the Chromebooks and its pretend OS and get something real.

iPad prices went up? Guess you missed the $329 iPad from last year or the new iPad Air at $499 (which is the same price as the very first iPad).

 

[jeremiah256]

Google is in a kind of holding pattern until they can get rid of Android (and possibly ChromeOS) and switch everyone to Fuchsia. It could end up being a disaster. Or it could be similar to the shot in the arm Apple got when they switched from System 9 to OS X. This story is far from over and any hoopla over a simple naming convention would be pretty short-sighted.

 

[realtuner]

You're right, but everyone will still have Android/Google services and system apps updated without a firmware update. iOS needs a firmware upgrade just to make minor tweaks.

Wrong. iOS doesn't need a OS update to update Apps - Apple just chooses to package their primary Apps/Services with iOS. The remainder of their Apps are updated the same as any other App. Apple does mention signing for Apps that come with devices, so most likely Apple does this for security reasons. It's definitely not because Apple lacks some sort of technical ability to do it (which is what Android users seem to think).​

Though it's funny (and pathetic) to see people try to spin this as a negative when anyone with an iOS device gets updates immediately after they're released. Though I can see why an Android user would get freaked out about waiting for an OS update to get something else updated, since they rarely (if ever) get them.

Good point. Browser on iOS is updated through iOS update which is suboptimal compared to Android updating the browser through Google Play Store without requiring a reboot and downtime. Real issue is when the Apple device stops getting iOS updates the browser becomes outdated, insecure and/or non-functional but that's probably Apple's intentional obsolescence plan to force new device purchases whereas the Android device continues to get browser updates even after OS updates stop.

Wow, what a pile of FUD. When Apple devices stop getting updates? You mean several years after Android devices stop getting their updates? So your Android browser gets an update. Meanwhile you're running that browser on a 3 year old OS full of exploits because you no longer get security updates and lacks all the mitigations that Google puts in each new version of Android.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Wrong. iOS doesn't need a OS update to update Apps - Apple just chooses to package their primary Apps/Services with iOS. The remainder of their Apps are updated the same as any other App. Apple does mention signing for Apps that come with devices, so most likely Apple does this for security reasons. It's definitely not because Apple lacks some sort of technical ability to do it (which is what Android users seem to think).​

Apple just chooses?

 

[Shanghaichica]

Another Android release that won’t be available on most Android phones. Android knows forced obsolescence like nobody else. You want the new updates? Buy a new phone.

Meanwhile the upcoming iOS 13 supports all iPhones since 2013.

All phones since 2015. The 5S and 6 won’t be supported.
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You're right, but everyone will still have Android/Google services and system apps updated without a firmware update. iOS needs a firmware upgrade just to make minor tweaks.

Agreed it’s not that straight forward. My kindle fire HD 8 with its side loaded version of google play just got the new version of the google play store. It also gets other core updates to google play services and all the other google apps I have installed.

 

[ackmondual]

5% is about amount of Android users who care about placebo iOS updates when they've been enjoying Android features for nearly a decade that iOS has yet to get like moving home screen icons anywhere/personalization, real file manager, external storage support, mouse support with proper pointer, split screen multitasking, background multitasking, swiping away unwanted calls so it doesn't tie up phone, freedom to install Kodi/emulators/torrent clients, etc.

Ditto. My Samsung Galaxy s2 and Samsung Galaxy s4 didn't get the latest version of Android, but I was already able to do things that iOS users at that time couldn't. My LG G4 is still on Android 6, but for a 4 year old phone that only costed me $125 used, I'm happy to have saved $800 to $1300 not getting the latest iPhone. Actually, ditto vs. Android phones that cost that much, as I just don't want to pay that much for a smartphone!

 

[Lalatoon]

Why are you talking about a version of Android that hardly anyone uses as if the benefits it has applies to the entire Android ecosystem? It's no more valid than people who say "Pixel phones get regular updates" when they comprise about 0.2% of Android phones in use.



You both must be very young and don't remember how expensive workstations that could do something as simple as photo/video editing were many years ago.

Haha.. My first smartphone was PalmOS then with Windows on Palm Treo and Samsung.

With desktop computer my first was DOS.

What Im trying to say I am not that young

You know what, I have a $2900 gaming laptop it has 32gb of ram (dual channel of course), i7 9th gen, 8gb rtx 2070 vc, and it can do a thousand things that your iPad pro cant do. Not even a Macbook Pro with Vega 20 can outperform it.

I dont even think that there is desktop workstation out there for video editing that cost $100k. With that amount of money i bet you can already setup a small server farm.

In Apples website, a fully spec iMac Pro is nowhere near 100k - its just 15k and that has 18core cpu, 256gb ram, 16gb vega 64x.

You already made a mistake in your statement about ipad doing things that a $100k desktop workstation can do.. Just move on.

 

[ZeuSGoKiL]

Haha.. My first smartphone was PalmOS then with Windows on Palm Treo and Samsung.

With desktop computer my first was DOS.

What Im trying to say I am not that young

You know what, I have a $2900 gaming laptop it has 32gb of ram (dual channel of course), i7 9th gen, 8gb rtx 2070 vc, and it can do a thousand things that your iPad pro cant do. Not even a Macbook Pro with Vega 20 can outperform it.

I dont even think that there is desktop workstation out there for video editing that cost $100k. With that amount of money i bet you can already setup a small server farm.

In Apples website, a fully spec iMac Pro is nowhere near 100k - its just 15k and that has 18core cpu, 256gb ram, 16gb vega 64x.

You already made a mistake in your statement about ipad doing things that a $100k desktop workstation can do.. Just move on.

Wonder which website he look up for that #100K facts.

 

[Lalatoon]

Ditto. My Samsung Galaxy s2 and Samsung Galaxy s4 didn't get the latest version of Android, but I was already able to do things that iOS users at that time couldn't. My LG G4 is still on Android 6, but for a 4 year old phone that only costed me $125 used, I'm happy to have saved $800 to $1300 not getting the latest iPhone. Actually, ditto vs. Android phones that cost that much, as I just don't want to pay that much for a smartphone!

You know what, if you will install LineageOS in your S4 you will have Android 9. I just checked from their website and it is supported. That is if the battery is still working fine

 

[Rob_2811]

iPad prices went up? Guess you missed the $329 iPad from last year or the new iPad Air at $499 (which is the same price as the very first iPad).

No I didn't.

I didn't miss the 12.9 inch pro which starts at $999 or the fact that the average selling price of an iPad increased by 4% last year either.

 

[Lalatoon]

Wonder which website he look up for that #100K facts.

Well its not actually impossible to build a $100k desktop workstation. You can try to build a system with a xeon processor, 2tb ram and a lot of quadro video card and at some point you will reach $100k. But I doubt someone build this kind of setup as a workstation for just editing video or rendering 3d. Maybe for a server or a setup for bruteforcing an encryption key or perhaps mining crypto currency.

 

[mi7chy]

Well its not actually impossible to build a $100k desktop workstation. You can try to build a system with a xeon processor, 2tb ram and a lot of quadro video card and at some point you will reach $100k. But I doubt someone build this kind of setup as a workstation for just editing video or rendering 3d. Maybe for a server or a setup for bruteforcing an encryption key or perhaps mining crypto currency.

Even the monster 10-GPU Terahash Inmanis is $32K. $100K would be a small cluster of them.

https://terahash.com/#appliances

 

[realtuner]

Haha.. My first smartphone was PalmOS then with Windows on Palm Treo and Samsung.

With desktop computer my first was DOS.

What Im trying to say I am not that young

You know what, I have a $2900 gaming laptop it has 32gb of ram (dual channel of course), i7 9th gen, 8gb rtx 2070 vc, and it can do a thousand things that your iPad pro cant do. Not even a Macbook Pro with Vega 20 can outperform it.

I dont even think that there is desktop workstation out there for video editing that cost $100k. With that amount of money i bet you can already setup a small server farm.

In Apples website, a fully spec iMac Pro is nowhere near 100k - its just 15k and that has 18core cpu, 256gb ram, 16gb vega 64x.

You already made a mistake in your statement about ipad doing things that a $100k desktop workstation can do.. Just move on.

Wow, just wow.

Here's my actual quote:

Everything in computers trickles down. We can do things on our phones that previously required $100K workstations.

And to make it really clear, here's another quote of mine from earlier this year which explains more clearly what I'm talking about:

And this is how the computer industry has always worked. Developers always push the envelope with features that stress CPUs and GPUs while manufacturers of those keep coming out with faster and faster versions. And the cycle continues.

At least on iOS it does. The iPad is like a bridge. An App (or feature) that was once on a Mac comes to the iPad and then to the iPhone. Everything trickles down. Just like features such as video editing required $100K workstations, then came to your home PC and can now be done on your phone.

So, yeah, there's no mistake on my part. My quote was pretty clear in that I said "previously required" (as in the past). I'm amazed so many posters didn't pick up on that.
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[chucker23n1]

Why did they skip a and b?

My guess: because Cupcake was 1.5, and 1.0 and 1.1 existed before that. So Cupcake was really the third public release, even though it was the first with a letter.

 

[realtuner]

No I didn't.

I didn't miss the 12.9 inch pro which starts at $999 or the fact that the average selling price of an iPad increased by 4% last year either.

If Apple announces record sales numbers the spin is: “People bought the iPhone SE or older models. Nobody’s buying the overpriced new stuff.”

If Apple announces record revenues the spin is: “Sales numbers are down because Apple raised prices and people are buying the expensive models.”

You can’t have it both ways.
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Wonder which website he look up for that #100K facts.

Since the first website ever was created in 1991, it would be impossible to find these workstations listed anywhere. We used to go to trade shows/exhibitions to see live demos instead.

 

[Roadstar]

This is certainly the case for me, not literally, but arbitrarily I'd say iOS users 90% in my circle, including family and friend families. I wonder if this is just a US thing or if the world is preferring iMessage?

iMessage preference is a US thing. Elsewhere Android has so much market share that an Apple exclusive messaging club is dead in the water unless you're really picky about who you message with. Especially for group chats it's almost impossible to find an iPhone-only group unless you're talking about an Apple user group or a workplace where everyone is issued an iPhone. Also in those cases especially the latter group seems to be on a decline thanks to ever-increasing prices and top Android competitors upping their game security-wise.

In addition, having fought with a case where messages were getting stuck in a limbo after moving to a non-Apple phone, I've often refused to activate iMessage when moving back to an iPhone for a change. The benefits aren't good enough to outweigh the inconvenience of having Apple hijack your number and break basic functionality.

 

[ZeitGeist]

I guess when Apple switched from cats to california, it'd be too obvious if android made the switch to another gimmicky naming scheme too.

What they meant to call it was Android X - but that would have been too obvious, right?

 

[vahdyx]

iMessage preference is a US thing. Elsewhere Android has so much market share that an Apple exclusive messaging club is dead in the water unless you're really picky about who you message with. Especially for group chats it's almost impossible to find an iPhone-only group unless you're talking about an Apple user group or a workplace where everyone is issued an iPhone. Also in those cases especially the latter group seems to be on a decline thanks to ever-increasing prices and top Android competitors upping their game security-wise.

In addition, having fought with a case where messages were getting stuck in a limbo after moving to a non-Apple phone, I've often refused to activate iMessage when moving back to an iPhone for a change. The benefits aren't good enough to outweigh the inconvenience of having Apple hijack your number and break basic functionality.

When you say rest of the world, does this include Canada?

 

[Roadstar]

When you say rest of the world, does this include Canada?

Can't say about that for sure. Maybe I should've rephrased that a bit to indicate that the iMessage preference is not common and limited to the US and maybe a couple of other countries. In the US it's still the most prevalent.