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I love my iphone. That said i Loath ATT in my area but there was realy no good non-iphone choice till now. I am a mac user hell i just droped dough on the new apple 24' lcd. I just can not deal with my calls going direct to voicemail any longer. Another carrier i will be back. I think ATT hurts them here cause friends overseas just go what no coverage issue. I do not get it my self but back to verizon i go . Back to the closed source evil empire clone.
 
I hear total cost in the end(for service that is) is the same when comparing Verizon to AT&T, with minutes and data limit being the same.

I hope you are right, however, a visit to the Verizon site shows that I will need to pay monthly charges for a bunch of apps that on the iPhone I can buy for little or no money: $10 per month for a app to find my way around, $4 a month for an app to tell me where certain stores and restaurants are located, $4 for a maps program, $4 a month ... and on and on...
 
I hope you are right, however, a visit to the Verizon site shows that I will need to pay monthly charges for a bunch of apps that on the iPhone I can buy for little or no money: $10 per month for a app to find my way around, $4 a month for an app to tell me where certain stores and restaurants are located, $4 for a maps program, $4 a month ... and on and on...

With Android some of that should be different as some of the apps like google map, stuff like that are free. Now with their feature phones of course that another story as they, like all companies want to nickel and dime you for everything.
 
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The android marketplace is just like the app store. Where is all this monthly payment **** coming from?
 
ungr15867 said:
Keep dreaming, companies dont believe in CHOICE, especially apple.

I hear you. Keep waiting for the yournon display, eSata port, 4 pcie slots, normal non ecc ram upgradablie gpu. Problem is a 8 core i7 would be cheap to and run preety close to a mac pro but Apple still does not get it, gamers alone make more $$$$ then ideology music combined, add that to prosumer in video Audio that have special audio pci cards or video add on cards and apple would sell these fast than you could imagine. Yet alas, aple simply does not care. And then when these next stars start to make money they then get a pro.
I think this should happen as soon as the pro
machines get 16 cores.
Peace.
 
How is that many here feel that Apple is some closed box somewhere, mindlessly going about their affairs without knowing what their competition is doing? That somehow, mac fans/android fans are somehow privy to knowledge that Apple can't possibly know?

They know.

They are watching Google very carefully and I believe, putting plans into place to counter Android 2.0. Will it be done on the next iPhone update? Probably not, but you can bet that they entered the cell phone space to be the very best. So far, they are proving that they are the phone to beat. They left they gate #1 in many minds as the best and soon, they will be the number one selling phone, period.

Google will perhaps have a lot of their software on many phones, but at the end of the day, most people want an iPhone.

Competition is great and I think we've only BEGUN to see what Apple can do.
 
Except for the flash and 5 megapixel camera, nothing seems significant in the iDont commercials. There's going to be a ton of things that Droid doesn't do. Think they will show that?

Not to mention nobody outside of a geek knows what the Droid Does commercials even mean! My girlfriend saw them and had no idea what the commercials were even about. She could tell it was knocking something Apple, but besides that: clueless.
 
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The android marketplace is just like the app store. Where is all this monthly payment **** coming from?

Thank you, at least someone on here debunks the myths about Android. As I have said in my posts on this thread, the amount of misinformation boggles the mind, especially when there is little truth behind it. Are there things I would like to change about Android? Sure. Things the iPhone does better? Sure. But this crap about Android being complicated, not true. Same with this garbage that the Android only has widgets, or that is has a limited app store.

Could Android be marketed better? Sure, and I think it will as more devices and carriers come aboard. High-quality competition is good for Apple and will make the iPhone better. This arms race for who can add more features into a phone is a good thing for consumers, it gives everyone a better product. Stop following so blindly and you will see that others out there are creating quality products as well.
 
Android is gonna kill the iPhone in the future if Apple doesn't keep innovating.

This is the only true statement I have seen.
Apple needs to open up the software a bit also.
We like to be unique, how in the world did Apple turn into IBM. The one thing
they hated.

I love my iphone, but they know it can be better. Stop making baby steps before you are trampled on.
 
This is the only true statement I have seen.
Apple needs to open up the software a bit also.
We like to be unique, how in the world did Apple turn into IBM. The one thing
they hated.

I love my iphone, but they know it can be better. Stop making baby steps before you are trampled on.

Here is the thing folks. 99% of iPhone owners do not care that the iPhone isn't open. Really, they could give a rats a**. Why? They aren't super-nerds, they are average customers who don't care about openness and all of that stuff.

If being open was the key to success, please (please please please please please) tell me why Linux has such incredibly horrible desktop market penetration. Why?

MacRumors members, repeat after me: What we want does not represent a majority of the consumer base. Again: What we want does not represent a majority of the consumer base.

Thats right, I said it. Things we want do not represent what most customers care about. Go up to a typical iPhone owner and say "Android is more open, the iPhone software is pretty closed, how do you feel about that?" Do it. They will look at you with that "what the hell are you talking about?" face.

Argh.
 
Not to mention nobody outside of a geek knows what the Droid Does commercials even mean! My girlfriend saw them and had no idea what the commercials were even about.

My wife's the same way about the Mac vs. PC commercials.

A lot of people don't get anti-something ads, because they're not aware of the parties involved.

She could tell it was knocking something Apple, but besides that: clueless.

Actually, that's interesting she knew it was knocking Apple. Was that because of the "i" prefix?
 
FWIW, via @CaliLewis (the geekbrief.tv chick) -- "The Motorola Droid and the HTC Droid Eris might be available on November 6th - http://bit.ly/3ZeIYU"

I'm looking forward to the competition that this will create. We all <3 :apple:, yes, but in a capitalist economy the only way to perpetuate quality innovation is via quality competition ($$ is motivator, yes, but when you have a steady income like Apple, you're inclined to "rest on your laurels", as others have already said). It's refreshing to have a new threat, however big a threat it may actually be, to keep :apple: on their toes.
 
Actually, that's interesting she knew it was knocking Apple. Was that because of the "i" prefix?

Yeah thats all it was, the i prefix. When I informed her that it was talking about what Android can do versus the iPhone, and that my current cell phone is an Android G1, she was still puzzled. I just said "never mind."
 
Without Apple you won't have:

Personal Computer -wrong
GUI -wrong
Mouse -wrong
iPod - probably right
iPhone, AKA phone that doesn't require 100 page manual -maybe

:rolleyes:

your argument is pure ass logics, that's like me saying "If America hadn't invented the nuclear bomb the world would not have it" Just because you do something first doesn't mean it wouldn't have gotten done without you.
 
Here is the thing folks. 99% of iPhone owners do not care that the iPhone isn't open. Really, they could give a rats a**. Why? They aren't super-nerds, they are average customers who don't care about openness and all of that stuff.

That's probably true about iPhone owners. Which is why there'll always be a percentage of buyers who get one.

There's also an entire world of other, more savvy users (many who will be coming from the iPhone) who will want something more powerful and customizable and open.

And feature phone users, who still outnumber smartphone users. Partly because the data plans cost less.

Likewise, there are users who have to get what their company supports. Users who pick their network first. Users who want a certain app. And so forth.

So, in the end, there will be buyers for each type of phone (dumb, feature, smart, smarter) and for models within a type. No particular phone can be everything to everybody. A killer phone for savvy users won't appeal that much to a casual feature phone user, for instance.
 
So when is AT&T going to get some Android devices so I can stop paying for unlocked devices?

Another thing is that AT&T considers my Android G1 to be a dumb phone, so the data package is only $15/mo vs the iPhone $30.
 
I hope you are right, however, a visit to the Verizon site shows that I will need to pay monthly charges for a bunch of apps that on the iPhone I can buy for little or no money: $10 per month for a app to find my way around, $4 a month for an app to tell me where certain stores and restaurants are located, $4 for a maps program, $4 a month ... and on and on...

Sounds like you're confused. Are you talking about dumb phone BREW apps for sale?

For smartphones, you just go download Google Maps and/or Bing for free. And soon, use the Google TBT app.
 
One ****ing software update by Apple and they'll own Android. You forgot, Apple built the iphone from the ground up. From hardware(most) to software. They know their phone. So stop talking beyond your pay grade and getting excited because some new piece of a** strolled into town. Apple ain't nothing to mess with.

See, Android is a one size fits all like Windows. However, Apple and their tech is under one umbrella. Keep that in mind. They know the limits of what they can do and the resources they are working with. So stop, I'm very earnest, stop thinking cause Android go all bada** up in that video Apple is about to take a tumble. The iphone has yet to unleash its power and when it does, you'll be left in awe!

Nothings say 'fanboi' like that nonsense. Yeesh, get a life man.
 
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