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Choice

The choice argument going back and forth is just ridiculous. First of all choice is relative. What one man deems as choice, the other may not. Secondly, the market will let them (Apple) know if there was "enough" choice to make them a profit. The answer was astoundingly yes.

Also, making comparisons between computers and cell phones always turns out to be dirty warfare. They really can't be compared in the same way. They really are two completely different markets built in different ways. It would be like saying, PS3's suck because I can't install the XBOX 360 software on it. After all, they are technically computers, and they do run software, right? Different markets.

Ultimately, the arguments that you guys are making are personal preference, of which you are making value judgements that don't really matter to anyone but yourselves.

I mean, I would love to have the ability to play AVI, DIVX, and many other formats on my iPhone without having to convert this or that, but I can't. But I love my iPhone still, because in my humble opinion, the phone is the simplest, most easy to use, and elegantly laid out platform. But that's a personal choice that is right for me. Other things might be important to someone else.
 
Hey, Eclairs are great :p

yea no doubt, though I prefer maple bars. I just don't understand the reasoning behind such a boring and graphically unappealing item for their logo, or the name for that matter. I mean, what if Apple called 3.0... Hershey bar 3.0, or string cheese 3.1.2?

P.S....eric cartman is the sh*t
 
I mean, I would love to have the ability to play AVI, DIVX, and many other formats on my iPhone without having to convert this or that, but I can't. But I love my iPhone still, because in my humble opinion, the phone is the simplest, most easy to use, and elegantly laid out platform. But that's a personal choice that is right for me. Other things might be important to someone else.

What you are saying is completely true. The issue comes when someone says something along the lines of the "the iPhone is the greatest phone out there, everything else sucks", because this is also a matter of preference and personal opinion.
 
This is why if you are an iPhone User it is even more in your interest that the Android OS does well. Apple needs a push to keep it from resting on its laurels.

The resting on your laurels happens more often than we want to think about. Also it is not a new thing. MS did it but got away with it with Excel until Lotus 123 came. Excel stayed at version 1 for years, resting. Then in the MS-DOS area Lotus 123 refused to come out with a graphics version because they rested. Now how many people remember Lotus 123.

Apple needs to be pushed. For some time Android will not be able to rest or it will go away before it has a chance to be used.

Android has the ability to give Apple a push. I was hoping that Palm would be able to do it also, but it is only one company that everyone seems to want to make totally irrelevant.

If Apple was the kind of company to rest on its laurels as you put it, we would not have the Iphone in the first place. Many of the technologies they pioneer but get little credit for making them popular including CD-ROMS ,USB, and lets not for the computer Mouse, is because they are always looking for ways to improve how the consumer interacts with machines it is their mission. Other companies like to throw lots of features at consumers that sound good but may make the device less satisfying to use over time. It also goes against their method of working to release products that don't fit in the easy to use category, so they let other companies test this on their own customers, if it is a good idea that the public responds to and they can come up with a solution to make it fit the consumer friendly requirement, they with release it. Otherwise they won't.

That is the difference between Apple with out Steve Jobs and after his return. Many things the bloggers ask for can make your device complicated and hated by regular Joes who didn't care about that anyway.
 
What will drive me to the Android is my lack of signal from AT&T.

That's really been my only issue as well -- and it's a big one. The signal seems so inconsistent. One day I can have five bars of 3G; the next day I have two bars of EDGE in the same location. My wife and I visit relatives in Sandusky, Ohio. It's not a metropolis, but it is a busy tourist spot. In many sections of that location I get no service whatsoever.

So if the iPhone came to Verizon, I would seriously consider it. If the iPhone doesn't come to Verizon and AT&T doesn't improve their coverage, then I will seriously consider a different smartphone. No matter how much I like my iPhone, if it doesn't connect reliably then it isn't worth much.
 
What you are saying is completely true. The issue comes when someone says something along the lines of the "the iPhone is the greatest phone out there, everything else sucks", because this is also a matter of preference and personal opinion.

agreed.... for me the iphone provides the best overall package, though on paper, it doesn't exceed in any one category except for it's app store. It's not comprised of the best of anything, it's just a great overall package with a loaded app store to boot.
 
What you are saying is completely true. The issue comes when someone says something along the lines of the "the iPhone is the greatest phone out there, everything else sucks", because this is also a matter of preference and personal opinion.

It's one thing to exercise the opinion that someone may or may not like certain products, it's entirely another to make absolute statements as if their opinion is the only possible option. It may not be stated as such, but the implication still stands.
 
LOL! I was thinking the same thing. Either that, or mud on a brick.

The pastry names are just the code names for the versions. Nowhere on my phone does it say I am running Version 1.6: Donut. The logo for Android is the lil green robot dude. I think the pastry names are unique.
 
A smartphone IS A computer! Hell, smartphones can emulate other computers / consoles! ( Even that iPhone can manage that one! C64)

I've found multi-tasking to be extremely useful.. for example, running an IM client along with some other application. So, to be able to talk to some one and doing other things as well.

Or, the ability to run a system utility in the background , i.e., for example, an app that will switch profiles at a given time, or turn Bluetooth on or off on a schedule.

To lug a computer around isn't always feasible or convenient!

"Why would you want to multi-task?" I bet your same comment was made when such functionality became possible on home computers.

Next iPhone will be the ARM Cortex-A9 MPCore multicore processor as a custom fabrication by Apple.

http://www.arm.com/news/25922.html

16 September 2009
ARM Announces 2GHz Capable Cortex-A9 Dual Core Processor Implementation

ARM Cortex processor technology and physical IP developed in unison to deliver high performance and low-power processing for consumer and enterprise markets

CAMBRIDGE, UK – Sept. 16, 2009 – ARM [(LSE: ARM); (Nasdaq: ARMH)] announced today the development of two Cortex™-A9 MPCore™ hard macro implementations for the TSMC 40nm-G process, enabling silicon manufacturers to have a rapid and low-risk route to silicon for high-performance, low-power Cortex-A9 processor-based devices. The speed-optimized hard macro implementation will enable devices to operate at frequencies greater than 2GHz.

The dual core hard macro implementations are the result of ARM’s significant investment in advanced physical IP development in unison with processor and fabric IP technology, and leading-edge implementation flows from the EDA industry. Advanced physical IP techniques have enabled critical circuits within the design to be replaced with highly tuned logic cells and memories, increasing performance while lowering overall power consumption.

Speed Optimized
The Cortex-A9 speed-optimized hard macro implementation will provide system designers with an industry standard ARM® processor incorporating aggressive low-power techniques to further extend ARM’s performance leadership into high-margin consumer and enterprise devices within the power envelope necessary for compact, high-density and thermally constrained environments. This hard macro implementation operates in excess of 2GHz when selected from typical silicon and represents an ideal solution for high-margin performance-oriented applications.

Power Optimized
In many thermally constrained applications such as set-top boxes, DTVs, printers and other feature-rich consumer and high-density enterprise applications, energy efficiency is of paramount importance. The Cortex-A9 power-optimized hard macro implementation delivers its peak performance of 4000 DMIPS while consuming less than 250mW per CPU when selected from typical silicon.
The hard macro implementations include ARM AMBA®-compliant high performance system components to maximize data traffic speed and minimize power consumption and silicon area. Each Cortex-A9 hard macro implementation also includes the CoreSight™ Program Trace Macrocell (PTM) which provides full visibility into the processor’s instruction flow, enabling the software community to develop code for optimal performance.

“The Cortex-A9 MPCore processor has already been widely accepted as the processor of choice for high-performance embedded applications across a broad spectrum of demanding consumer and enterprise devices,” said Eric Schorn, VP marketing, Processor Division, ARM. “ARM’s parallel development of advanced, optimized physical IP components demonstrates a new level of collaborative differentiation while enabling our Partners to expand their penetration into high margin domains traditionally occupied by proprietary architectures.”

“ARM’s long-standing investment in low-power leadership and ability to develop such high-performance devices enables licensees to lower the cost and risk of entering the high-margin markets currently addressed with competing proprietary solutions,” said Will Strauss, principal analyst at Forward Concepts. “With single-thread performance capable of supporting very intensive workloads, the unprecedented level of power efficiency will enable licensees to introduce compelling new products.”

“ARM and TSMC have enjoyed a long standing relationship of collaboration to ensure the development and delivery of best-in-class products optimized for our manufacturing process,” said ST Juang, Sr. Director, Design Infrastructure Marketing Division, TSMC. “This provides OEMs developing feature-rich consumer and enterprise devices access to TSMC’s manufacturing excellence and the power of ARM processor IP”

Both ARM dual core Cortex-A9 hard macros will share a common seven-power domain, dual-NEON™ technology configuration supporting SMP (symmetrical multiprocessing) operating systems with up to 8MB of Level2 cache memory and will be delivered with all scripts, vectors and libraries required to integrate the macro directly within any SoC device.

To enable the development of high-efficiency, low risk SoCs using other Cortex-A9 processor configurations, ARM also provides the silicon-proven SoC-level ARM Physical IP platform used to build these hard macros, and a range of AMBA-compliant system development components and tools.

In addition, the ARM Active Assist consulting service, developed in conjunction with the hard macros, enables ARM Partners to efficiently integrate the hardened macro into their SoC design to realize maximum system performance with lowest risk and fastest time-to-market.

Availability
The Cortex-A9 hard macros and the corresponding optimized physical IP used to develop the speed-optimized and power-optimized

implementations are available for license today with delivery in the fourth quarter of 2009. ARM’s 40G physical IP platform is also available today at designstart.arm.com.

Broadcom Licenses Latest ARM Cortex A9 Multiprocessor Technology --Sept 28, 2009

Excerpt:

Broadcom Licenses Latest ARM Cortex A9 Multiprocessor Technology

Broadcom adopts Cortex-A9 MPCore multicore processor for use in certain mobile and wireless applications

CAMBRIDGE, UK and IRVINE, CA, September 28, 2009 – ARM [(LSE:ARM); (Nasdaq:ARMH)] , and Broadcom Corporation (Nasdaq: BRCM), a global leader in semiconductors for wired and wireless communications, today announced that they have signed a major licensing agreement for the ARM® Cortex™ -A9 MPCore™ multicore processor. Broadcom intends to target the technology towards next-generation mobile, wireless and other consumer electronics applications.


ARM And GLOBALFOUNDRIES Establish A Strategic Partnership To Enable Application-Optimized SOC Products On 28NM Highk Metal Gate (HKMG) Process -- October 6, 2009

GLOBALFOUNDRIES is the world’s first truly global leading-edge semiconductor manufacturing company. Launched in March 2009 through a partnership between AMD [NYSE: AMD] and the Advanced Technology Investment Company (ATIC), GLOBALFOUNDRIES provides a unique combination of leading-edge technology, manufacturing excellence and global operations. GLOBALFOUNDRIES is headquartered in Silicon Valley with facilities in Austin, Dresden and New York.
For more information on GLOBALFOUNDRIES, visit www.globalfoundries.com

ARM Holdings plc Reports Results for the Third Quarter and Nine Months Ended 30 September 2009 -- October 27, 2009

Q3 2009 and Cumulative Processor Licensing Analysis

Check that table out for the direction the market is headed: ARM9 CPU.
 
That's really been my only issue as well -- and it's a big one. The signal seems so inconsistent. One day I can have five bars of 3G; the next day I have two bars of EDGE in the same location. My wife and I visit relatives in Sandusky, Ohio. It's not a metropolis, but it is a busy tourist spot. In many sections of that location I get no service whatsoever.

So if the iPhone came to Verizon, I would seriously consider it. If the iPhone doesn't come to Verizon and AT&T doesn't improve their coverage, then I will seriously consider a different smartphone. No matter how much I like my iPhone, if it doesn't connect reliably then it isn't worth much.

Sandusky Metro area is just over 75,000. You'll get solid 3G when area of > 100,000 are filled first.
 
I like it. There are definitely somethings there that work well, if not better than the iphone. Im hoping this will force apple to redo some things with its UI that have been a bit basic and annoying since the original OS came out. Apple can't now just rest on their laurels and using the excuse "its an iphone, i has to be the best thing since sliced bread!"
 
Yes I did, but guess what, the other day I listened to music streaming from last.fm whilst using google maps the other day in my car. Could you do that with the iPhone?

Multitiasking should be across the board.

Well I agree here to an extent, however multitasking does seem to take a performance hit on the phone itself as far as speed goes, as well as hit the battery (see horrible G1 battery life).

Multitasking has its pros and cons.
 
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Nope. I compared it with "every single current Android device" to quote you.

I guess since the Iphone is OS-X we should compare android devices to macbook pros

With that logic, as Android is Linux based I guess we can compare it to every computer running linux!

Yay for stupid comparisons!
 
meeh i think i will stick with iphone. Not because im a fanboi or cos im stubborn ( i am a lil bit, not overly so though) but because i have a system that works. MBP, M.M, iPhone 3GS, iTunes, n iPhoto.

Im sure that android is going to be immense. But apple has this market bolted- albeit on increasingly wobbly hinges. i just hope that the increase in OS design and competition doesnt catch apple on the back foot, in a state of complacency. Cos that would be bad, and it seems to of caught them slightly off guard in the last couple of years with-in the computer market. I just hope they can rectify their businesses, and the way which they operate to bring an increase in computer design, and intergration with the rest of the world :)

Its not like they are short on money neither, they can pull all that off, without necessarily batting an eyelid! :)

Go iPhone go, go go!! ;-)

PTP
 
The iPhone is behind the times in so many areas it's just silly. The iPhone's camera was crap and obsolete the day it came out. Heck, my FOUR year old Nokia N73 has a 5 MP camera with Carl Zeiss optics, zoom, and a flash. What kind of camera does the iphone have again? Oh, right, a piece of ****.

Yeah and your Nokia N73 phone required power generator to take pictures and so bulky you need a purse to carry around. I am so surprised when people pin the drawbacks of any phone on camera! Phone is not a professional camera - there is no need for 5 mp Carl Zeiss optics - it is battery drainer show off that just adds a cost to the phone.
 
Google is evil.
Motorola sucks.
Verizon sucks.

I have respect for the latter 2, but the former is all over this. I expect them to start selling laptops and personal computers any day. They will eventually move into health care.

Except for the flash and 5 megapixel camera, nothing seems significant in the iDont commercials. There's going to be a ton of things that Droid doesn't do. Think they will show that?

Are negative adds like this common outside the United States? In Britain, would this be allowed?

The embedded operating system doesn't make the product. Just remember that. Notice they are push the 'Roid OS, but not Motorola. They are also pushing VZ coverage, but not Motorola. A reasonable analogy is like having a Dell with Windows 7. The OS is propping up a package, striving to be like Apple, but always lagging.

And shame on VZ for trashing a vendor they are still trying to woo. They'd stab their own mothers in the back for a buck.
 
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