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Android 2.x simply can not compete with iOS 4.
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I never, never said it was perfect. Not one phone is perfect. Not one. The antenna issue is very real, but it's not quite as big of a problem as some would believe. I've seen professional's take on the matter, and I've see the videos. There is a problem, but it's not critical.hey bud you can quote people who have dismissed the antenna issues and seem like its fact. fact is the antenna issue is VERY real. in anything under 5 bar coverage with the "32.00 bumper" my phone goes from 2000mbps/down 1800mbps/up to 42down and 0up. (office in hollywood ) not death gripping not doing anything but holding the phone! i love the iphone4 but the antenna design bums me out alot. when im typing an email in some areas i have to wait sometimes 20 seconds to send the email or it fails and gets stuck. its even lost 2 emails like that because i reboot the phone and i guess outbox isnt stored locally
i have tried the EVO and no way you hold it affects the antenna- FACT we have 5 in my office.
i have tried my 3GS and no matter how i hold it it works -FACT i have 2 in use still.
i have tried 4 ip4s and every one has exhibited the data degradation when holding it - FACT
now stop trying to make people think this phone is perfect. it isnt and it has a very serious flaw that affects MANY people. maybe not you but that doesn't necessarily make it a BS issue.
-jenzo
Ugly? I thought it looked pretty?
Really though, I don't think it looks that terrible.
I bought a Nexus One from Google and received it last Friday. Google
pushed the Froyo update that night. I've been using a 3G iPhone for the last
year and a half after I dropped my 2G iPhone and shattered the screen.
The HTC hardware is very nice, the build quality is WAY nicer than my old
HTC Wizard running WM5. My only complaint with the N1 is that the touch
screen isn't always as responsive as I'd like. I'm not sure if that is a
hardware or OS issue though. Holding one in each hand, I'd say the build
quality is on par with my 3G iPhone's hardware. The soft rubbery backing of
the N1 is very nice, but bareback, the N1 is almost too diminutive to hold
and use securely (the CIMO case solves this issue for me).
My impression of the Android OS so far is that it is what Nokia and Microsoft
should have done with Symbian and WinMo respectively as a clean-slate
response to the initial iPhone (at latest). If you liked one of those mobile
OS's back in the day and you enjoy (or at least don't mind) fiddling with
your mobile OS and trolling the message boards for hints and tips to get
what you want, then you'll probably appreciate Android. Obviously this isn't
an issue when you buy the unlocked N1 from Google, but I don't like the
fact that the carriers control when (and if) the software is updated, I also
don't like that Google doesn't exhibit more control over what modifications
the carriers can and cannot make to the software.
If you're looking for a polished and intuitive user experience, then Android
probably isn't for you. You can do a lot in Android and it does get easier
with time, but it isn't always easy and can take some effort.
If you're looking for an app store that isn't populated with a bizarre and
endless conglomeration of Bible verse apps, snoop dog quote apps and sexy
hot asian wallpaper apps, then Android probably isn't for you.
Beyond the enjoyment of exploring a new and different mobile OS, some of
the specific things I do like are 1) The wifi tethering in Froyo is pretty slick,
2) I'd give a nut for a podcast app that could balance usability and
functionality, but I do like browsing and downloading podcasts straight to
the phone and 3) The Google voice recognition and search widget is nice.
I'm looking forward to Gingerbread and seeing how Android evolves, but in
the meantime, unless I find some killer-app in Android that I can't live
without (I haven't yet), I expect I'll pick up a white iPhone4 (and a case to
put it in) once I can buy one without waiting in line.
pushed the Froyo update that night. I've been using a 3G iPhone for the last
year and a half after I dropped my 2G iPhone and shattered the screen.
The HTC hardware is very nice, the build quality is WAY nicer than my old
HTC Wizard running WM5. My only complaint with the N1 is that the touch
screen isn't always as responsive as I'd like. I'm not sure if that is a
hardware or OS issue though. Holding one in each hand, I'd say the build
quality is on par with my 3G iPhone's hardware. The soft rubbery backing of
the N1 is very nice, but bareback, the N1 is almost too diminutive to hold
and use securely (the CIMO case solves this issue for me).
My impression of the Android OS so far is that it is what Nokia and Microsoft
should have done with Symbian and WinMo respectively as a clean-slate
response to the initial iPhone (at latest). If you liked one of those mobile
OS's back in the day and you enjoy (or at least don't mind) fiddling with
your mobile OS and trolling the message boards for hints and tips to get
what you want, then you'll probably appreciate Android. Obviously this isn't
an issue when you buy the unlocked N1 from Google, but I don't like the
fact that the carriers control when (and if) the software is updated, I also
don't like that Google doesn't exhibit more control over what modifications
the carriers can and cannot make to the software.
If you're looking for a polished and intuitive user experience, then Android
probably isn't for you. You can do a lot in Android and it does get easier
with time, but it isn't always easy and can take some effort.
If you're looking for an app store that isn't populated with a bizarre and
endless conglomeration of Bible verse apps, snoop dog quote apps and sexy
hot asian wallpaper apps, then Android probably isn't for you.
Beyond the enjoyment of exploring a new and different mobile OS, some of
the specific things I do like are 1) The wifi tethering in Froyo is pretty slick,
2) I'd give a nut for a podcast app that could balance usability and
functionality, but I do like browsing and downloading podcasts straight to
the phone and 3) The Google voice recognition and search widget is nice.
I'm looking forward to Gingerbread and seeing how Android evolves, but in
the meantime, unless I find some killer-app in Android that I can't live
without (I haven't yet), I expect I'll pick up a white iPhone4 (and a case to
put it in
) once I can buy one without waiting in line.I've had every iPhone and right now there's no question that my current iPhone4 fulfills my requirements better than any Android phone.
The Evo is close. Very close. I spent an hour with it and I was impressed. But it became clear to me that I couldn't live with the slow UI animations in the OS, the laggy multitouch, the not-quite-as-responsive soft keyboard, and the general disorganized and unpolished look and feel, the wait in store for OS updates like Froyo to be Sense-compatible, etc. I'm also not interested in carrying around memory cards and batteries. Been there, done that.
However I would love to have some of the unique Android benefits. I agree that the Apple OS is starting to feel dated. I love the widgets and live wallpapers offered in Android. I do love the control that you have in Android. I hate that iPhone4's front-facing camera is useless to me right now because Facetime is limited to wifi and other iPhone4's only. I'm jealous of Google Navigation. I absolutely hate the draconian app rejection policy that Apple has, and I'm increasingly disliking Apple's attitude as a front-running company.
My gut tells me that the iPhone4 may be my last. Android is moving and trending at such an aggressive pace and the progress it's made in the last year is stunning to me. I think the Evo is comparable to the iPhone4 today and it seems very believable that a year from now Android will be the leader in most objective comparison categories.
The Evo is close. Very close. I spent an hour with it and I was impressed. But it became clear to me that I couldn't live with the slow UI animations in the OS, the laggy multitouch, the not-quite-as-responsive soft keyboard, and the general disorganized and unpolished look and feel, the wait in store for OS updates like Froyo to be Sense-compatible, etc. I'm also not interested in carrying around memory cards and batteries. Been there, done that.
However I would love to have some of the unique Android benefits. I agree that the Apple OS is starting to feel dated. I love the widgets and live wallpapers offered in Android. I do love the control that you have in Android. I hate that iPhone4's front-facing camera is useless to me right now because Facetime is limited to wifi and other iPhone4's only. I'm jealous of Google Navigation. I absolutely hate the draconian app rejection policy that Apple has, and I'm increasingly disliking Apple's attitude as a front-running company.
My gut tells me that the iPhone4 may be my last. Android is moving and trending at such an aggressive pace and the progress it's made in the last year is stunning to me. I think the Evo is comparable to the iPhone4 today and it seems very believable that a year from now Android will be the leader in most objective comparison categories.
People have this need to turn everything into a pissing match. I don't understand why they feel the need to crap on everyone else's choices to make themselves feel better about their own. It's ridiculous, immature behavior.
iOS 4 has not clearly won the war. Android has quickly come from way behind to be very competitive. iOS4 is better in some ways, Android is better in others. Truly competitive. Android has arguably made more progress than iOS in the last 2 years, will it keep up or will Google stumble or run out of steam. Will iOS keep the lead or will they stumble? Will iPhone 4 reception issues start a downturn or will it emerge unscathed?
Will be interesting to see how it develops. Game on.
I see Android and iOS as being very nearly an apple and oranges comparison
right now.
Android is kicking arse and taking names when it comes to Symbian, WinMo
and Blackberry, but Android still has a long way to go before it competes with
the overall iOS user experience.
right now.
Android is kicking arse and taking names when it comes to Symbian, WinMo
and Blackberry, but Android still has a long way to go before it competes with
the overall iOS user experience.
iOS may be your preference (and mine too), but you're wrong to say that the user experiences are not competitive right now (unless you have an extremely narrow definition of "user experience"). Just go out and do a search for "Iphone 4 versus Evo" to see how competitive the Android OS has become.
Who are you responding to? I know some people as well who aren't geeks that have an Android phone, not because they hate iPhone, but because AT&T doesn't offer service where they live. I've talked to them about it and they said the moment it's on a carrier (such as Verizon) that offers them coverage, they're going straight to iPhone.
My word count is not off. There are exactly two words in the sentence following it (although I should have been more specific or put the other sentence below it).
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Both platforms work extremely well for me but the customization that is possible in Android does push me towards Android compared to iOS.
It's all down to personal taste at the end of the day and I can't say the OP is wrong if that is what they think is true. All I can say is that I get more out of my android devices than I do my iPod touch. All I really miss on android from my iPod touch is angry birds and that is due for release this summer.
All i can finally say is that if you go with either iOS or Android, you are getting a better platform compared to symbian or WinMo. The only third platform that interests me nowadays is WebOS from palm/hp. Its a good time to be a smartphone user.
Both platforms work extremely well for me but the customization that is possible in Android does push me towards Android compared to iOS.
It's all down to personal taste at the end of the day and I can't say the OP is wrong if that is what they think is true. All I can say is that I get more out of my android devices than I do my iPod touch. All I really miss on android from my iPod touch is angry birds and that is due for release this summer.
All i can finally say is that if you go with either iOS or Android, you are getting a better platform compared to symbian or WinMo. The only third platform that interests me nowadays is WebOS from palm/hp. Its a good time to be a smartphone user.
The op is too big of an apple fanboy. And he didn't ever own a droid. Widgets rarely crash, all apps run on that phone, and my battery always lasted over a day. The os looks just as polished as ios, more so I would say because you can do more and notifications aren't completely annoying, and multitasking is way more comvienent. I also used search anywhere all the time. Ios is stagnant and needs a huge update to polish it. Everyone but a fanboy can see that. Android needs alot of improvements too. But at least those are coming
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Both platforms work extremely well for me but the customization that is possible in Android does push me towards Android compared to iOS.
It's all down to personal taste at the end of the day and I can't say the OP is wrong if that is what they think is true. All I can say is that I get more out of my android devices than I do my iPod touch. All I really miss on android from my iPod touch is angry birds and that is due for release this summer.
All i can finally say is that if you go with either iOS or Android, you are getting a better platform compared to symbian or WinMo. The only third platform that interests me nowadays is WebOS from palm/hp. Its a good time to be a smartphone user.
Personal taste indeed. The only reason I bought a new iPhone was because MLB At Bat streams live games. I couldn't really care less about the phone or the carrier. It used to be because of Slingplayer but Android has that now and I'm guessing this iPhone was probably my last iPhone. Not because it sucks, not because it's "dated" or anything else technical but simply because I've grown tired of Apple and it's Department of Secrecy and Denial that could have given lessons to the KGB.
I've read that Google is going to clamp down on all the variants of Android around and that will prove VERY interesting a year from now.
After posting a question on another thread, reading this thread and playing with the Evo myself I came to this conclusion. The iPhone provides the average consumer easy access to an advanced experience. It's the ultimate plug and play where as Android is designed to be customized which isn't always appealing.
Seriously? There will never be an end to this debate, Android v iOS will be suited to different needs.
But what I will add is Battery Life, enjoy Android suckers
And don't try and claim that it's so good, it's not
But what I will add is Battery Life, enjoy Android suckers
And don't try and claim that it's so good, it's not
However, though it doesn't make it a better phone, the iPhone can be customized after jailbreak. That's another reason I love it!
I think if the OP is telling the truth, he/she got a defective phone. If I never owned an Android and I read that write-up I'd imagine a phone that is a disaster. There'd be so many complaints Google would have to do what MS did to the Kin and pull it after just a very short time on the market. The platform would of died with the G1.
I've used countless widgets with no problems, I have yet to see a forced close out of any widget. I think I've seen one, maybe two application crashes in several months, and I run non-sanctioned 2.2 roms.
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Both my Dell Streak and my Nexus One last far longer than my 3g ever did so battery life is fine for me!
Pushkar said:Seriously? There will never be an end to this debate, Android v iOS will be suited to different needs.
But what I will add is Battery Life, enjoy Android suckers
And don't try and claim that it's so good, it's not
Both my Dell Streak and my Nexus One last far longer than my 3g ever did so battery life is fine for me!
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Both my Dell Streak and my Nexus One last far longer than my 3g ever did so battery life is fine for me!
iPhone 4 is a new beast.
Can I ask why a Dell Streak? You use it as a phone? It's so big
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I use the streak as more of a media consumption/tablet device. Audiko and kindle ebooks, music, vids, gaming and web browsing. It also makes a lovely big screened satnav too!
I use the streak as more of a media consumption/tablet device. Audiko and kindle ebooks, music, vids, gaming and web browsing. It also makes a lovely big screened satnav too!
I just checked the price, is an iPad not more value for money? They are both pretty expensive and about the same for base models. iPad is bigger too?
Well, I for a while was thinking about switching over to android (had a 3g). There was that "proof of concept" app that basically showed how you can make a botnet out of android.. Considering that there are now multiple "stores" on android, not all of which google has control over, (particularly if your phone is rooted), I decided against it.
Android makers are in this love affair with "HUGE" devices. Which, are neat, and not for me.
iOS - FAR superior battery life. Fast app switching (how is true multitasking better than this, why does a game continue to have to run code in the background while i am not using it?). I mean really the only thing that iOS doesn't have that android does is widgets. I think this is something apple is gonna add next summer "in a widgets done right" sort of situation.
Gaming for some reason, has never worked on any open source platform. Including android.
Android makers are in this love affair with "HUGE" devices. Which, are neat, and not for me.
iOS - FAR superior battery life. Fast app switching (how is true multitasking better than this, why does a game continue to have to run code in the background while i am not using it?). I mean really the only thing that iOS doesn't have that android does is widgets. I think this is something apple is gonna add next summer "in a widgets done right" sort of situation.
Gaming for some reason, has never worked on any open source platform. Including android.
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The iPad is a stunning device but the streak is pocketable and once android 2.2 brings full multitouch throughout, it will be an emulation dream machine.
Once the HDMI docks start getting reviewed and depending on how well it works, I may also be able to use it as a dockable computer with my hdmi capable monitor and Bluetooth keyboard & mouse.
Its a nerdy thing with me!
Pushkar said:
The iPad is a stunning device but the streak is pocketable and once android 2.2 brings full multitouch throughout, it will be an emulation dream machine.
Once the HDMI docks start getting reviewed and depending on how well it works, I may also be able to use it as a dockable computer with my hdmi capable monitor and Bluetooth keyboard & mouse.
Its a nerdy thing with me!
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Both my Dell Streak and my Nexus One last far longer than my 3g ever did so battery life is fine for me!
Sure if you have extra batteries and a power outlet handy