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Android 2.x simply can not compete with iOS 4.
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This happens with every single new design from Apple. EVERY single time images leak of a new design the Photoshop experts come out pointing out how that shadow on the left is 2 pixels too long to be real!
What I'm saying is that you ignore what most forum people post...
Not that I've used Android extensively to compare but one could argue iOS4 right now doesn't feel all that polished. Honestly, I'm waiting for them to revise it some to smooth it out (and my phone works decently well but I still come up with small quirks and stuff. My roommate's phone isn't doing gmail well at all).
Hate to break it to you, there's tons of crappy apps on Apple too. One could argue that maybe you just have found the wrong apps. I mean I have an app from a developer that I like their software for my mac, but the iphone version is crap and messes up the database on my desktop version so I stopped using the iphone one entirely (which kinda annoys me cause I bought their newest desktop version so I could use the iphone functionality).
Can't comment. Most I found was that I couldn't just stick the widget anywhere I wanted (messed around a little with the Incredible and the Evo. The big calendar/weather one they seem to have on all demos seemed to need to stay in one place cause it only had one slot big enough you could put it on).
This is more the problem of those who make the hardware (and it seems HTC tends to have quality issues from what little I've seen and they make a lot of the Android phones it seems).
And honestly, I don't really like the trend for bigger screens. The too big factor is one of the two reasons I would not get the EVO (the other is Sprint, I'd probably convert to Android if iphone went Sprint only). One reason before I got the iphone I was skeptical about mixing my PDA and phone together was I didn't like the idea of holding this big bulky thing to my ear to talk, it didn't fit well in my hand for use as a phone (I thought the two should be seperate). And yet at the time I liked having a big screen for my PDA, an ipaq at the time (which is why I didn't want them mixed). Apple has found the sweet spot between being narrow enough to feel good as a phone and still large enough screen to be useful as a PDA.
here's 2 i found, though i don't know if they're fanboys or not.
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Oh cool. Charts! (Really need new ones every month, considering how quickly phones come out now.)
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so does that mean the Iphone is for the dumb? The UI is so simple a Caveman can use it and even a retard. Hell you can dumb an android phone to the Iphone by just putting all apps on the display instead of widgets.
Oh that is so true. It shows me that Apple fans lack the ability to think for themselves and believe what ever apple believes.
If apple released dog crap put it in a white box and then called it iCrap. Apple fans would come out saying how great it was and the best thing ever.
I have a couple of co-workers that have the Droid and I have played with it quite a bit.
Ya know, on paper, you can make a strong argument for Android as a strong competitor and rightfully so. On paper, there are some things that Android does clearly better than the iPhone. However, there's just something intangible that makes the iPhone4 better for me and I think I can explain it...
I know that some of the market research states that Android draws more of the "Geekier" phone users. I've built a solid career in the IT industry and have been in the IT industry for almost 20 years now. With that said, I can appreciate the "geeky" features of Android and associated devices, but I guess at this point in both my life and career, what I like more about the iPhone is it does a better job integrating with my life than I need it to integrate with the "geeky" complex technology. For the younger, geekier crowd in here, some may not completely understand that perspective and that's okay. There was a time in my life when I was that hardcore geek that had to have the most technologically advanced phone that had the most complexity to it.
At this point in my life, I don't need that geek factor anymore. What makes me appreciate the iPhone4 is its usability and how easy it is to share, communicate, and capture life. Whether it be by voice, FaceTime, pictures, video, email, txt, MMS, the web, apps, etc, the iPhone excels better than any other phone at that (again all in my subjective opinion).
I don't have anything bad to say about the Android devices. They serve a purpose and there's definitely a market for it.
The bottom line is there's no "right or wrong" answer as to what phone is the "best" phone. The only question is what phone is right for you. That is for you to decide.
Ya know, on paper, you can make a strong argument for Android as a strong competitor and rightfully so. On paper, there are some things that Android does clearly better than the iPhone. However, there's just something intangible that makes the iPhone4 better for me and I think I can explain it...
I know that some of the market research states that Android draws more of the "Geekier" phone users. I've built a solid career in the IT industry and have been in the IT industry for almost 20 years now. With that said, I can appreciate the "geeky" features of Android and associated devices, but I guess at this point in both my life and career, what I like more about the iPhone is it does a better job integrating with my life than I need it to integrate with the "geeky" complex technology. For the younger, geekier crowd in here, some may not completely understand that perspective and that's okay. There was a time in my life when I was that hardcore geek that had to have the most technologically advanced phone that had the most complexity to it.
At this point in my life, I don't need that geek factor anymore. What makes me appreciate the iPhone4 is its usability and how easy it is to share, communicate, and capture life. Whether it be by voice, FaceTime, pictures, video, email, txt, MMS, the web, apps, etc, the iPhone excels better than any other phone at that (again all in my subjective opinion).
I don't have anything bad to say about the Android devices. They serve a purpose and there's definitely a market for it.
The bottom line is there's no "right or wrong" answer as to what phone is the "best" phone. The only question is what phone is right for you. That is for you to decide.
Gee whiz.
Just because a device does more or has more options, does not make it "geeky".
(Heck, the iPhone 4 does so much more than the original iPhone, that you could use the same silly argument to claim that it's also only for geeks.)
Moreover, there are almost 5 million Android devices being activated per month. I don't think all those millions of Android users are "geeks".
What is plain from reading these forums, is that some iPhone users seem to have a hard time switching UI paradigms. Just look at the havoc that even Apple's own addition of the recently-used-apps popup has caused.
Just because a device does more or has more options, does not make it "geeky".
(Heck, the iPhone 4 does so much more than the original iPhone, that you could use the same silly argument to claim that it's also only for geeks.)
Moreover, there are almost 5 million Android devices being activated per month. I don't think all those millions of Android users are "geeks".
What is plain from reading these forums, is that some iPhone users seem to have a hard time switching UI paradigms. Just look at the havoc that even Apple's own addition of the recently-used-apps popup has caused.
A lot of people get the high-end phones (doesn't matter if it's Droid or iPhone or whatever) and don't even know why they got it other than the hype or what is most popular at that given period of time. I'm sure a very high percentage of people don't know how to use/take advantage of most of the features on these newer high-end phones.
Then you have the opposite end of the spectrum where you have the more tech savvy folks that know exactly all about every technical detail about their phone but despite the fact that they know every single detail and how to use every single feature, they don't. They get it just to say they have it like it's a competition or something and use it as ammo for silly debates like some of the ones that are posted on here.
I've had just about all of the various smart phones (Palm, BB, WM, iPhone, etc, etc) and for me, the iPhone seems to be the best fit for my needs. Again, there's no right or wrong answer as to what is the "best" phone. For some folks, I'm sure Droid, BB, WM, Evo or whatever is the right choice for them and that's perfectly fine. It's great that we have choices and we only gain from all of this healthy competition between the companies, but to me, it's just pointless when people use their phones to compete against each other.
I take the online reviews with a grain of salt. I consider myself a semi-intelligent person and tend to formulate my own thoughts and opinions based upon my own experiences. There's more to a product than what a comparitive technical specifications matrix may illustrate. That will illustrate the tangible differences, not the intangible differences.
I don't know if anyone in here are into cars, but on Top Gear, a few years ago, they test drove the Subaru STi and Mitsubishi Evo. They had a series of tests and the Evo won the majority of the tests, but at the end of the day, when asked what car they preferred to drive, they selected the STi. They couldn't explain why, they were just drawn to it despite what was better on paper. For me, that's what it's like with the iPhone4.
Then you have the opposite end of the spectrum where you have the more tech savvy folks that know exactly all about every technical detail about their phone but despite the fact that they know every single detail and how to use every single feature, they don't. They get it just to say they have it like it's a competition or something and use it as ammo for silly debates like some of the ones that are posted on here.
I've had just about all of the various smart phones (Palm, BB, WM, iPhone, etc, etc) and for me, the iPhone seems to be the best fit for my needs. Again, there's no right or wrong answer as to what is the "best" phone. For some folks, I'm sure Droid, BB, WM, Evo or whatever is the right choice for them and that's perfectly fine. It's great that we have choices and we only gain from all of this healthy competition between the companies, but to me, it's just pointless when people use their phones to compete against each other.
I take the online reviews with a grain of salt. I consider myself a semi-intelligent person and tend to formulate my own thoughts and opinions based upon my own experiences. There's more to a product than what a comparitive technical specifications matrix may illustrate. That will illustrate the tangible differences, not the intangible differences.
I don't know if anyone in here are into cars, but on Top Gear, a few years ago, they test drove the Subaru STi and Mitsubishi Evo. They had a series of tests and the Evo won the majority of the tests, but at the end of the day, when asked what car they preferred to drive, they selected the STi. They couldn't explain why, they were just drawn to it despite what was better on paper. For me, that's what it's like with the iPhone4.
You fanboys are ridiculous To devote so much emotion into a phone its really pathetic. Its a phone man let go alittle. Alot of you either need a dog or a girlfriend badly. A phone plagued with issues and created by a dictator who controls what you do with hardware you payed for. Then BS s you about ANY issue as if its not important and consumers are just crazy. Good luck with that. Not talking to anyone imparticular so you'll be exposing yourself if this offends you. Good day.
To devote so much emotion into a phone its really pathetic. Its a phone man let go alittle. Alot of you either need a dog or a girlfriend badly. A phone plagued with issues and created by a dictator who controls what you do with hardware you payed for. Then BS s you about ANY issue as if its not important and consumers are just crazy. Good luck with that. Not talking to anyone imparticular so you'll be exposing yourself if this offends you. Good day.When people can't comprehend something beyond they're understanding they call it geeky Funny and pathetic. Android is def for advanced smartphone users. Most iphone users use only apps, phone, cam,web. So simple a caveman can do it.
Funny and pathetic. Android is def for advanced smartphone users. Most iphone users use only apps, phone, cam,web. So simple a caveman can do it.I just dont get it!
I really dont quite understand why people get into android cannot compete arguments or apple is useless arguments? WHATS THE POINT??
I never understood the incessant need of fanboys and the like to convince everyone else or themselves that the product they have chosen to buy is the best thing out there. Who cares? why do you care? as long as its right for you, then great!
Whats even more annoying is when fanboys dont actually own an Android device or Apple device but then devote their time to finding fault and attacking the competition. Let it go.
For the rational people out their who love the amazing gadgets we have available to us but like to provide an honest critique, then great! We are all trying to find that perfect device which has it all and we can all agree that the perfection we are searching for will never arrive. But we can keep pushing these manufacturers to deliver it..
They arent gods, they are suppliers providing a product in the hope that it will sell enough to keep their shareholders happy. And these companies realise that the fanboys only make up about 5% of their sales. fanboyz being the group of people who buy a product completely blind and convince themselves that its the best thing since sliced break.
Its the rational people who actually provide a useful critique on products to manufacturers in the hope that things get better in the future..
So all the fanboyz willing to accept reception issues, proximity sensor issues and software bugs have absolutely no effect on change.
Stop being so loyal to the manufacturers,, they are driven by profit... They dont care about how much you love them! They just care about how much is in your pocket.
Android wouldnt exist if not for apple, and apple would not evolve as fast if not for Android.
I really dont quite understand why people get into android cannot compete arguments or apple is useless arguments? WHATS THE POINT??
I never understood the incessant need of fanboys and the like to convince everyone else or themselves that the product they have chosen to buy is the best thing out there. Who cares? why do you care? as long as its right for you, then great!
Whats even more annoying is when fanboys dont actually own an Android device or Apple device but then devote their time to finding fault and attacking the competition. Let it go.
For the rational people out their who love the amazing gadgets we have available to us but like to provide an honest critique, then great! We are all trying to find that perfect device which has it all and we can all agree that the perfection we are searching for will never arrive. But we can keep pushing these manufacturers to deliver it..
They arent gods, they are suppliers providing a product in the hope that it will sell enough to keep their shareholders happy. And these companies realise that the fanboys only make up about 5% of their sales. fanboyz being the group of people who buy a product completely blind and convince themselves that its the best thing since sliced break.
Its the rational people who actually provide a useful critique on products to manufacturers in the hope that things get better in the future..
So all the fanboyz willing to accept reception issues, proximity sensor issues and software bugs have absolutely no effect on change.
Stop being so loyal to the manufacturers,, they are driven by profit... They dont care about how much you love them! They just care about how much is in your pocket.
Android wouldnt exist if not for apple, and apple would not evolve as fast if not for Android.
That's the best praise I've ever heard for the iPhone.
The very goal of technology is to make tasks simpler, not more complex. We went from punch card computers, to command lines, to GUI, to touch screen, every step increasing accessibility and ease of use.
What kind of backwards thinking is this?
When people can't comprehend something beyond they're understanding they call it geeky
So just because the UI isn't as intuitive, it's considered "advanced"? Tell me, what do you do on your Android that is so important beyond apps, phone, cam, and web?
haha...you have to laugh at some of these posts....some very good and interesting ones,some of them well????...i think apple could release a phone the size of a housebrick...a tiny black and white screen..etc..and some people would still say its the best thing since sliced bread!!!...crazy freaks!!!...dont get me wrong iv got a macbook pro,ipod classic, great products...think the ipad is pointless...and i use a HTC desire..great phone as good as if not better in my opinion as the iphone4 i had for 4 days!!..signal and screen issues made me return it...who knows might go back..its just that at the moment android lets you do more to the UI,not just what apple want you to do...and as for apps and games..well if you want apps like farting apps..hmmm...how sad is that!!!...a phone is a phone end of!!!!..pick it up dial a number and speak not to difficult is it..doesnt matter who makes it,wether its ios4,android or ivgotthebestOS,operating system....more important things happing in the world than who makes the best sodding phone!!!
truly spoken like a fanboy..
advanced? why do you think people jailbreak? stop calling things geeky.. it's not like you have to punch in 100000 lines of code to use android handsets.
Look, I am all for iPhone and Apple, but the I4 is starting to confirm this long time Mac/Apple users biggest fears. Apple is becoming a machine and turning products that are either flawed (I4) or raped by counterparts within 3 month (iPad). Also, lets not forget the breakthrough deal Apple and ATT announced with the iPad that was changed within 27 days of the iPad 3G launch. Just getting kinda shady under that Apple tree.
Ultimately, I am looking to pick up a new phone within the next 30 days. While, I want to dive back into the iPhone world, some of the flaws that are currently hindering the device are things I would expect from a low end device maker.
I think you need to look at Android DEVICES again. The Samsung Galaxy S devices launching on ALL carriers are basically iPhone 4's. In fact, with the option of your carrier choice, one might think this is a better and wiser decision to make.
As far as Android 2.1, coming from iPhone/Apple, the Android Market just plain sucks. Thats what happens when you splinter your user/developer base with non standardized spec's across all devices. If Google ever demanded that manufactures used a standardized chipset, or one for low end and one for high end, WATCH OUT! Honestly, Gameloft has most of their games ported to Android, and classic EMU's are far better than iPhones.
Losing tight integration with mobileme and my Mac's is the only thing holding my attention at this point. Facetime is great, I could use fring tho. iMovie is cool, but I don't think I personally have the patients to use it on my phone. I have seen some great little creations made with it, and my hats off to these users.
Android has the goods device wise now.. no question about it. Polishing the software is rapidly being done. Its getting interesting.
Email push issues are still lame on Android. Some stability issues still exist. Battery life now is equal, or on par with I4 and iOS4.
This Apple/ATT contract is only making Android stronger. And, unfortunately for Apple, the bad press I4 is receiving about its issues ... not helping matters.
Ultimately, I am looking to pick up a new phone within the next 30 days. While, I want to dive back into the iPhone world, some of the flaws that are currently hindering the device are things I would expect from a low end device maker.
I think you need to look at Android DEVICES again. The Samsung Galaxy S devices launching on ALL carriers are basically iPhone 4's. In fact, with the option of your carrier choice, one might think this is a better and wiser decision to make.
As far as Android 2.1, coming from iPhone/Apple, the Android Market just plain sucks. Thats what happens when you splinter your user/developer base with non standardized spec's across all devices. If Google ever demanded that manufactures used a standardized chipset, or one for low end and one for high end, WATCH OUT! Honestly, Gameloft has most of their games ported to Android, and classic EMU's are far better than iPhones.
Losing tight integration with mobileme and my Mac's is the only thing holding my attention at this point. Facetime is great, I could use fring tho. iMovie is cool, but I don't think I personally have the patients to use it on my phone. I have seen some great little creations made with it, and my hats off to these users.
Android has the goods device wise now.. no question about it. Polishing the software is rapidly being done. Its getting interesting.
Email push issues are still lame on Android. Some stability issues still exist. Battery life now is equal, or on par with I4 and iOS4.
This Apple/ATT contract is only making Android stronger. And, unfortunately for Apple, the bad press I4 is receiving about its issues ... not helping matters.
truly spoken like a fanboy..
advanced? why do you think people jailbreak? stop calling things geeky.. it's not like you have to punch in 100000 lines of code to use android handsets.
Never called ios advanced nor did I call anything geeky
Some people in this thread really need this:
http://mobile.theonion.com/video/ne...es-customers-someone-to-ta,17693/?mobile=true
http://mobile.theonion.com/video/ne...es-customers-someone-to-ta,17693/?mobile=true
The entire mobile phone Market dwarfs any other, in consumer electronics.
Steve Jobs himself, said: "If you sell 1 million devices, you have 1% marketshare. For Apple to win, it doesn't mean somebody else has to lose. There's a lot of room in the Market for everyone to win."
Steve Jobs himself, said: "If you sell 1 million devices, you have 1% marketshare. For Apple to win, it doesn't mean somebody else has to lose. There's a lot of room in the Market for everyone to win."
That's par for course for many apple fans. Apple stated multitasking was evil and the iPhone was not going to have it. Posts/threads were created left and right stating how right that decision was and how wrong palm/android was to have multitasking.
iOS4 adds some level of crippled multitasking and well the chorus of fans all hail that apple added multitasking and did it right and laughed at how android (palm has since sailed into the sunset) has it wrong by allowing full multitasking (even though my battery usage is the same as the 3Gs).
I think that's an accurate portrayal but not limited to iPhone users though the simple interface of the iPhone exacerbates the situation.
When I switched from the iPhone to the Nexus, It took several weeks to adjust to the new UI fully. At first I was not liking it, but I gave it time and I found that its much more flexible, powerful and extensible.
My wife got an iPhone 4 and I was playing with that for a while the UI struck me as rudimentary and dated. My screen on the N1 is clean, a widget, and a handful of icons. I have full access to all apps, but not on my home screens.
The iPhone was plastered with icons, and while you could use folders to help the organization, you can see the UI design that apple is using is limited
exactly!!
i also remember the whole "resolution" thing.. previous iphones had 320x480 resolution, very outdated.. yet when mentioned most iphone used would just say "who needs a 480x800 resolution? it's so small it doesn't make any difference".. but now that ip4 has a high resolution it's the best thing in the world?
same with CPU.. "why would you need 1ghz cpu.. 512ram?" right up until ip4 came out...and the camera? the thing is iFANs only accept it as standard once apple puts it into an iphone.. if apple and adobe worked out flash for iphones I wonder what the fanboys would be saying now about the whole flash thing. Instead of just calling it evil and resource hog.
I think they both have their pros and cons.. I haven't seem many android users blatantly bashing iphone, if you are happy to live inside Apple's walls it's a fine device, and after all it did bring huge changes to the handheld devices. The physics behind the UI makes everything so much smoother and due to controlled environment, it's all tied up nicely. But it could use some more features that's quite standard in many other devices.