Android-Based Tablet Spotted Running Flash

[DJ Dilbert]

Yap, iPhone / iPad apps never crash. 😛

Well remember that it is a PROTOTYPE. I'm sure that when the iPad and iPhone were in that stage that some things didn't come up to par. It's not like all Mac products are flawless from the idea stage...

 

[supertonic]

you gotta be kidding! That is thicker than a notebook. Sample engineering board from nvidia actually.
Tablet!!!! please!

 

[AidenShaw]

It seems Google is working with Adobe to make flash work, I wish Apple would too. Lets just get this pissing contest over with so we can enjoy the technology.

Excellent observation - and recommendation.

Why is the turtlenecked one so obsessed with trying to kill Flash?

Answer: It is because Flash is an application building framework, and Flash apps wouldn't be subject to the AppStore tax....

 

[gwangung]

Given what's been written elsewhere, it seems that making Flash work well on mobile devices was not a priority at Adobe (see Flash Lite, etc. for standard cellphones).

But if it can be made to work well on mobile devices, all well and good--that's the point of the free market--the force of the market will force Apple to allow Flash on their devices. If not, also good, because it will be proven that Flash isn't appropriate for mobile devices.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

However, the fact remains that flash (as it currently stands) is not something that belongs on a mobile device.

Make no mistake, this is really a push to gain control, not kill flash (although that is a side effect). Worded pretty well, albeit with tons of spelling and grammar errors, by JamieG:

One of the biggest misconceptions of many Flash haters is that HTML5 will save their battery and stop the crashes.

Unfortunately this is WRONG. The big issue here is that once HTML5 replaces flash, and as a flash developer, I would expect it to. Those who enjoy the ad free internet by using an Ad Blocker or Flash Blocker. That will be impossible once HTML5 is adopted. The browser will not be able to tell the difference between an ad and the website. Ads will be proxied directly into the application, as if they are part of the website. The ad-blockers will simply not be able to tell the difference. This is why Google and now Microsoft are so into HTML5. No more blocking the premium animated and most profitable ads. Its obvious any company who makes money from online ads will want flash to disappear from online ads ASAP.

That would be, of course, the big three. Microsoft, Google, and now Apple.

http://www.crafted.com.au/blog/2010/05/05/apples-attack-on-adobe-flash-its-all-about-online-video/

 

[DJ Dilbert]

Given what's been written elsewhere, it seems that making Flash work well on mobile devices was not a priority at Adobe (see Flash Lite, etc. for standard cellphones).

But if it can be made to work well on mobile devices, all well and good--that's the point of the free market--the force of the market will force Apple to allow Flash on their devices. If not, also good, because it will be proven that Flash isn't appropriate for mobile devices.

Exactly my point from before. If the market wants Flash and iProducts, then Apple will have to cede to meet demand or it will force Adobe to rework Flash and make it better applicable to mobile devices.

 

[kkat69]

As it's been pointed out many many times let's see how that thing does while it's UNPLUGGED!

 

[Tones2]

I just want to be able to view some major Web sites content on my iPad, like NBC.com, Hulu, etc. If Apple can convince some of these major players to write an app or support HTML5, that's great. If not, then Apple needs to support Flash, despite it's limitations. It's that simple really.

I don't understand why Apple just don't support Flash and have the ability to turn it OFF if the user doesn't want it because of battery life or performance. It's called having OPTIONS based on user preference, something Apple still has to learn after all of these years. 🙄

Tony

 

[JediZenMaster]

Let's see what the battery life is on this. Because i doubt people would be willing to sacrifice a hugh impact in battery life for flash.

 

[wovel]

Well I have to say the video is totally pointless. There is nothing about how well it performs, how much of the CPU it eats or how long the battery lasts with and without playing flash.

Even if this was on a prototype unit, without any comparisons its as I say pointless.

pac

Also a terrible demo , since to any observer you can run the exact same demo on iPad with everything but the crash.

I just want to be able to view some major Web sites content on my iPad, like NBC.com, Hulu, etc. If Apple can convince some of these major players to write an app or support HTML5, that's great. If not, then Apple needs to support Flash, despite it's limitations. It's that simple really.

I don't understand why Apple just don't support Flash and have the ability to turn it OFF if the user doesn't want it because of battery life or performance. It's called having OPTIONS based on user preference, something Apple still has to learn after all of these years. 🙄

Tony

How can you watch the video and still believe Apple could possibly do anything to support flash on a mobile device when Adobe can not even make it run on a full PC that just happens to be running Android.

 

[JediZenMaster]

I just want to be able to view some major Web sites content on my iPad, like NBC.com, Hulu, etc. If Apple can convince some of these major players to write an app or support HTML5, that's great. If not, then Apple needs to support Flash, despite it's limitations. It's that simple really.

I don't understand why Apple just don't support Flash and have the ability to turn it OFF if the user doesn't want it because of battery life or performance. It's called having OPTIONS based on user preference, something Apple still has to learn after all of these years. 🙄

Tony

Flash means nothing to me and i get that you use it. But the only people that i see wanting flash are people on message boards. It's not like a huge segment of apple users want flash.

Maybe if it was a large segment then apple would ask google to develop a flash client that didn't cause a big hit on flash.

Also While you would turn flash off. Alot of people wouldn't and they would call apple and blame them for it. I've got friends who work in apple care who have had nightmarish support calls from people getting irate over flash on the MBP and mac pro.

So that would cause a problem. Because the Average consumer probarly has never heard of Adobe and they would Call Apple if there was an issue with flash. But then again maybe that's what some people want.

Maybe people want apple lose customers and for the stock to tank and to lose marketshare ETC.

Because no one seems to be thinking in the long term. Only in the "I want" short term gain.

 

[supertonic]

Look who is causing crashes on Firefox Mac the most(Mozilla's crash reports stats): http://bit.ly/aLDA6L

Bingo! It's Flash!

 

[rumz]

Despite the author's claim that Flash and AIR apps run "flawlessly" on the tablet, Daring Fireball's John Gruber points out that the device's browser crashes while the user is accessing YouTube in one video clip.

Who cares about John Gruber? It's as if FLASH is the only thing in the world that could cause a browser to crash. Newflash: HTML5 video crashes Safari on my Mac Pro, and Safari on my iPad crashes as well sometimes, and there's no flash on it. Not having Flash hasn't solved that problem. (you might argue that Flash would make crashes more frequent, and that's possible. I'm just saying it's been blown way out of proportion to defend Apple's position.)

 

[Meta22]

haha

the funny thing is that in that new flash based youtube player you have to hover over the video to skim through it. you cant hover over the video with your finger

 

[/dev/toaster]

They fail to mention battery life ... good luck getting more then a few hours on that device.

 

[winninganthem]

In more relevant news, Pascal Compiler 11.0c is availble.

That made me laugh 😀.

 

[DJ Dilbert]

Only among children who don't know better and bigots 😉. We are indeed way off topic

LOL. Well it just proves that this whole Flash on mobile devs debate is just getting old and off-topic antics are more interesting to argue about than this stuff.

Maybe we should focus on something else for once? 😛

 

[neekon]

for all we know the prototype is running a core i7 with 4 gb of ram and an SSD. useless demo is useless without specs

 

[JediZenMaster]

I'm happy for this tablet. So this way when people post about the awful battery life of the device due to flash.

I'll be laughing my butt off at them. Give the children what they want i guess. Because what's the use of a droid with no power? How about a paperweight 😎

 

[JediZenMaster]

for all we know the prototype is running a core i7 with 4 gb of ram and an SSD. useless demo is useless without specs

If that's what they are running for the demo. They should just leave it on the demo. Because a Tablet with those specs would cost over 1000 dollars.

And on second thought i hope they make it. Because the price alone will help sell more ipads

 

[Xtremehkr]

Getting excited over this is as silly as getting excited over the Courier. It's not a competitor to the iPad until you can walk into a store and buy one.

The main purpose of that tablet looking thing seems to be to perfect Android for a tablet sized device. The layout, orientation and operation seem to be exactly the same as Apples, it just looks a little bit different.

For the vast majority of lay purchasers, Flash is not going to be the make or break purchase point. Most people don't understand what the current role of Flash in the internet really is.

So far, all of the companies who decided that they were going to jump into the tablet game after seeing what Apple released have withdrawn what they thought could compete with the iPad.

Even if Google, HP, Microsoft, or any other company were able to have a strong competitor on the market within the next year, that's another year closer to the death of Flash.

Flash, if nothing changes soon, is basically sliding into obsolescence.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

Who cares about John Gruber? It's as if FLASH is the only thing in the world that could cause a browser to crash. Newflash: HTML5 video crashes Safari on my Mac Pro, and Safari on my iPad crashes as well sometimes, and there's no flash on it. Not having Flash hasn't solved that problem. (you might argue that Flash would make crashes more frequent, and that's possible. I'm just saying it's been blown way out of proportion to defend Apple's position.)

The only reason most people on this board even know of him is because Steve Jobs mentioned him in an email that was publicized. The amount of big wet kisses John Gruber publicly places firmly on Steve Jobs' butt is a little embarrassing. On his blog he mentions how paying H264 royalties as a content producer is a good thing.

Yes, it's so wonderful to have to pay MPEG LA 12 cents a copy for wedding videos some low end videographer sells on his own. And if he doesn't pay, they can sue his ass into oblivion.

John Gruber is a corporate mouth piece, nothing more. Steve Jobs is a master of manipulating the press, John Gruber is being used as a tool (which is how I describe him, a tool), and he is thankful for the occasional pats on the head he gets form his master.

Getting excited over this is as silly as getting excited over the Courier. It's not a competitor to the iPad until you can walk into a store and buy one.

Heh, it might have been John Gruber that said this, but the difference between Apple and everyone else is simple. Companies like Microsoft, Samsung, HP, etc, show off prototypes to the press. Apple shows off a finished product that is near or at its shipping date. That's why everyone else plays catch up.

 

[Veri]

Why is the turtlenecked one so obsessed with trying to kill Flash?

Answer: It is because Flash is an application building framework, and Flash apps wouldn't be subject to the AppStore tax....

Indeed. Apple's canvas proposition is an attempt to cripple the web by enticing developers with a limited alternative to Flash. Then developers have to resort to proprietary Cocoa Apps. It's a classic Microsoft gambit.

The representatives of a religion are angered not when they are confronted with something very different, but when they must tackle a very similar idea from a competing faction.

John Gruber is a corporate mouth piece, nothing more. Steve Jobs is a master of manipulating the press.

I need someone to second my motion for a cage deathmatch between Gruber and Thurrott as representatives of the corporate press the world over. Whoever loses, we win.

 

[wovel]

Who cares about John Gruber? It's as if FLASH is the only thing in the world that could cause a browser to crash. Newflash: HTML5 video crashes Safari on my Mac Pro, and Safari on my iPad crashes as well sometimes, and there's no flash on it. Not having Flash hasn't solved that problem. (you might argue that Flash would make crashes more frequent, and that's possible. I'm just saying it's been blown way out of proportion to defend Apple's position.)

Maybe because the peron who wrote the article lied and said Flash and AIR worked flawlessly when it clearly crashed when the video started playing. Do we know the cause of the crash, not exactly. Did it work flawlessly, no not at all.

 

[wovel]

LOL. Well it just proves that this whole Flash on mobile devs debate is just getting old and off-topic antics are more interesting to argue about than this stuff.

Maybe we should focus on something else for once? 😛

You are correct 🙂 The debate has gotten old because flash does not run on mobiles at all. (and nothing in these videos changes that).