Flash doesn't do well with my ATI 4670 and C2D 3.33GHz either. I wouldn't think of running flash on a device powered by battery alone. It would drain like crazy and everyone knows that. Even wi-fi drains the battery like crazy. Someone needs to create better batteries, I digress. If flash weren't so problematic then The Stever wouldn't be dead-set against it. The question isn't if flash is bad, it is, the question is if closing down a platform and limiting choice is good or bad for the consumer. Yes the consumer, not Apple. Like open source software, it's a moral decision I think.
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Flash doesn't do well with my ATI 4670 and C2D 3.33GHz either. I wouldn't think of running flash on a device powered by battery alone. It would drain like crazy and everyone knows that. Even wi-fi drains the battery like crazy. Someone needs to create better batteries, I digress. If flash weren't so problematic then The Stever wouldn't be dead-set against it. The question isn't if flash is bad, it is, the question is if closing down a platform and limiting choice is good or bad for the consumer. Yes the consumer, not Apple. Like open source software, it's a moral decision I think.
I'd be more impressed if they showed a video of it not blending.
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I'm sure if someone decided to implement a flash interpreter in Objective-C and load it on a development / jailbroken iPad, it would run just fine, the battery would die in an hour or two, and you'd realize it's not that great. It's not that it can't run it, it's that it doesn't.
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I'm sure if someone decided to implement a flash interpreter in Objective-C and load it on a development / jailbroken iPad, it would run just fine, the battery would die in an hour or two, and you'd realize it's not that great. It's not that it can't run it, it's that it doesn't.
Pretty bold prediction since there are no "mobile" tablets or phones currently running Flash 10.1 (or full flash of any kind) right now and we are almost half way done.
I will predict that by the end of the year the iPad will have outsold all "full flash-enabled" tablets combined (I could be generous and even allow you to count all those massive Windows tablets no one wants). I predict the iPhone will similarly outsell all "full flash-eanbled" phones by the end of the year. I have a huge advantage because the things I am counting on actually exist
Am I the only person who has never had Flash crash on him?
As for "Magical" - I'd wager Apple use this, as the iPad currently lacks a killer app. It's not a phone, it's not a computer, so it has to just be "magical" until they can actually figure out what it is, and why you need it / until it's carved out its niche / category in the market.
As for "Magical" - I'd wager Apple use this, as the iPad currently lacks a killer app. It's not a phone, it's not a computer, so it has to just be "magical" until they can actually figure out what it is, and why you need it / until it's carved out its niche / category in the market.
Somebody is mad. hahah Relax. If flash runs on this thing without bugs, without lag, without loss of battery, id be somewhat impressed. However, Jobs made his point perfectly on why they aren't doing flash.
Even if it did run flash, what would you do on website with flash nav? It would be a nightmare because of no mouse. The only benefit i really see to flash on a device is movies, but look at whats happening already. All the major companies are encoding in H.264 If Apple and Microsoft are behind HTML5, then its likely the direction the web is going in.
Pretty bold prediction since there are no "mobile" tablets or phones currently running Flash 10.1 (or full flash of any kind) right now and we are almost half way done.
I will predict that by the end of the year the iPad will have outsold all "full flash-enabled" tablets combined (I could be generous and even allow you to count all those massive Windows tablets no one wants). I predict the iPhone will similarly outsell all "full flash-eanbled" phones by the end of the year. I have a huge advantage because the things I am counting on actually exist
You just OWNED that guy.
You can always develop and distribute using web applications like they did back in the iPhone OS 1.x days.
About to release in a couple of months, eh? From the looks of that clip Google isn't even finished with the interface design let alone what Google is going to need to do to develop and release hardware that is competitive.
Google has been preparing to transition away from flash as well, throwing flash on these devices is what you do when you're late to the game and need something to differentiate your product from another's.
Unfortunately, it doesn't change the fact that Flash is an aged technology which is full of bugs, resulting in it being an unreliable resource hog.
Apple is hastening the demise of Flash, not killing it. Adobe has been it's own worst enemy by squandering what it had with flash.
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what you mean waiing for a device with flash my n900 came with flash on it from day 1 so nokia alr*dy makes a device with full flash on it not that flash lite crap suprised jobs didnt know a device with flaash on it is already out been out on the market for a while now n900 is a beast all open source not closed opereating system like apples iphone is
what you mean waiing for a device with flash my n900 came with flash on it from day 1 so nokia alr*dy makes a device with full flash on it not that flash lite crap suprised jobs didnt know a device with flaash on it is already out been out on the market for a while now n900 is a beast all open source not closed opereating system like apples iphone is
Try using some punctuation! As for the "uses of the word gay" thread and the actual thread about flash on a mile high android tablet... The solution is really simple and been reiterated many times throughout this forum. If you want a tablet that can use flash don't buy an iPad! the MacBook Pro is thinner than that prototype and can do flash so who cares if a 2" tablet can play it?
You don't read Daring Fireball on a daily basis, do you?
Yes, I'll agree that Gruber favors what Apple does for the most part, but he has plenty of disagreements with Apple's methods as well. But he's eloquent about it and doesn't go into emotional rants along the lines of "OMFG!!1!!! JOBZ=HITLER" a la the typical Digg user so it's easy to miss.
EDIT: To prove my point, here's something he posted today.
I have a Mini 10v (netbook = 'dirty word') and feel that it's a far more useful and practical device than the current iPad. Now if you like cute, hip devices, well that's not computing, that's fashion. So I guess you could say the iPad is a fashion accessory. Now if they sold it as that, I would understand. People pay 500+ bones for fashion all the time.
Apparently you somehow skip the twice-daily posts where he criticizes Apple, often about the iPhone app process. Today he criticized them for being touchy about an Ellen DeGeneres spoof.
In short... some people need to get over their reactionary stances.
Apple just sold 1 million ipads in a month! And without flash!
Have any of you been on the Apple site and seen the latest stuff that Popular Science has cooked up for the ipad? Too awesome. The hell with flash man!
Have any of you been on the Apple site and seen the latest stuff that Popular Science has cooked up for the ipad? Too awesome. The hell with flash man!
By your definition, half the products on the home tech market, including game consoles, most cell phones and music players and a fair number of PCs, are fashion accessories. Is that really your view?
I'm just curious to know if my kids are mainly concerned about fashion when they're glued to their DS games?
By your definition, half the products on the home tech market, including game consoles, most cell phones and music players, are fashion accessories. Is that really your view?
Yes, the ipad is more fashion accessory than computer when compared to its peers. But all these are luxuries that people think they need. Remember tv's and radio and cars and all those things were invented in little more than lifetime. Mankind played games, communicated and heard music long before our current and wonderful technology boom. But yea, unless you have throw away money, the iPad is more fancy-purse than hi-tech device. These are all just my opinions so...
It looks like the people who do want flash are moving on to HTML5 video so there will be no market for it when it finally ships. Despite what Adobe wants, I don't think there will be many people running non-video flash based applications.
Seems like Flash wants to be the new Java Applet... just not sure that anybody wants that after getting burned the first time.
If by fashion you mean looks good and by accessory you mean performs a useful function, then I agree. Otherwise.... go back to your Palm Pilot because apparently new technology is just for the hipsters right?
What's new about the iPad? It's running a crippled OS that is really like a bad joke. Again, your confusing fashion for tech. It's hip to sit in Starbucks holding your iPad, I get that. Coming from a background in comp science, I can say "move along, nothing to do here." And I don't have a Palm Pilot.
Oh no! A prototype version of Flash crashed on a prototype tablet, let's all draw conclusions about the final products right now!I expected nothing less.
Yeah, Google does this strange thing where they collaborate with other companies (*gasp*). That's how Microsoft got where they are today. People only look at the, um, uncooperative aspects of Microsoft (the Netscape ordeal etc) but if you look at their entire history, it was really the whoring and the jumping in bed with everyone (including Apple), most notably a gazillion hardware manufacturers, that built Microsoft. Meanwhile Apple is becoming more and more secluded and keeps making more and more enemies, and here we see an example of two of those enemies joining forces. I'm not sure which strategy is better, but there was this war some 70 years ago where one guy tried to conquer the world on his own. He seemed unstoppable for a while, but then his enemies formed an alliance, and... you know.
Uh, the competition is netbooks, as Steve noted. The fact that the form factor is different doesn't mean they're not competing. The poster you responded to said that the iPad is less of computer than aforementioned 'peers', and since netbooks run regular operating systems rather than a jumbo version of a cellphone OS, it's sort of difficult to argue that point, no matter how much you dislike netbooks.
No, it was three times worse, but back then the alternatives to Flash were ten times worse, so it's all relative I guess.