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Competition is healthy. If people don't want an iPhone then they should be able to buy something that's closer to what they want/need. There really aren't any downsides that I can think of.
 
Apple never was.

Bwah ha ha ha ha! if apple was never number 1 the whole smart phone/touchscreen phone would be dead lets face it, Windows had become a joke Palm has been a dieing company the only brand that was keeping the smart phone business was Rim/blackberry and they are not exactly 100 percent perfect. Apple basically re energized the Smart phone industry.
 
The company that makes the best donuts will have the most sales, and the store(s) selling the poorer donuts will only sell to those customers who would buy anything they sold no matter how flawed the quality.

Yes, company B's donuts taste much better :D
 
lawyers. and every single one I know has a blackberry, and iphone, or both.

No, I take that back. I know one with an old Palm Treo and one with a Droid. But zero winmo phones.

I guess your friends have taste then. :p

I know a few guys who have had one and loved it. Never really interested me personally, but I know for some it works.
 
Incidentally, I got to play with Droid X this past weekend -- the thing should have no problems with the "death grip" signal loss, because the effing thing is too big to death grip unless you use both hands. ;)

A coworker got one the first day they were out. I played around with it. It's intriguing but it's still very rough around the edges.
 
Some people can't fathom why anyone would want a physical keyboard, because touchscreen is just so kewl man.

Some people can't fathom why anyone would want a physical keyboard, because physical keyboards are limited to only one character set. (You can't switch to Greek for math, or Japanese if you want to chat in another language.) Some people also can't fathom why anyone would want to double the size of their phone just to add something that reduces functionality. From my perspective, every inch of a phone that is not screen is wasted space.
 
I believe it's more geared towards business people, and professionals. Who do you work with?

They sell a Windows Mobile phone on every carrier in the US...sometimes multiple.

I had two (SE Xperia X1 and Motorola Q9h) before I bought my Samsung Captivate...and no several people that still use em...LOL.
 
depends on what you mean by "lose." Not for the customers and not for the shareholders. Maybe in marketshare, but companies don't really care about marketshare - they care about profits, which may or may not correlate strongly with marketshare.

Talking marketshare. Yeah Apple can stay profitable, but you know...their strategies just never work "long term"...the closed system stuff just never does. We will see, and I am loaded with Apple stuff, but I know their day of reckoning is coming. I personally think their stock is probably at its peak in general.

But they will be around a long long time obviously. Plenty of money, and profits at an all time high.
 
Who cares?

When an Android device (1 release) can sell at least 1 million at launch then, write a report about that.
Until then to each his own. I'm staying with my iPhone with no interest of any
other OS just because I prefer iOS.

Oh and lastly when AT&T lose it's exclusivity in the US (and all carriers have the iPhone in the US). . . Apple will be number 1 in market share. It's inevitable.
Numbers shouldn't even matter, as long as people love their device of choice. This is getting so repetitive -__-
 
Android is quantity. iPhone is quality. I still haven't seen one Android phone that has similar quality and design to iPhone 4. One model of iPhone sold more than 3 million units. I haven't seen many Android devices break the 1 million barrier. Not the Nexus One, Evo 4G, Droid X, Droid Incredible. I think the original Droid was the first Android device to break the 1 million barrier. Meanwhile, every iPhone has done that.
 
I figured this would eventually happen. You can't be number one forever.

I don't really care about phones, but I just realized that Apple was never number one. It's always in the media, so most people probably think it is number one.
 
I figured this would eventually happen. You can't be number one forever.

Number one? In your dreams mate :).

Then again, I'm sure Apple are more than happy to have huge profit margins on the devices they sell. They've never been driven by the need to be number one. They know they can cream the largest profits out of gadgets that are seen as "high value". They wouldn't want to commoditise that by mixing with the hoi polloi. It's worked well for them over many years. Android can be the Windows of the mobile OS, and Apple can keep their perceived higher value. Everyone wins - even those who seem happy to pay more for less.
 
Lots of parallels to Windows

I enjoy these debates -- it's an unlikely marriage of open source nerds & teenagers who need a phone that gets free texting / calls to their "in network" buddies.

It'll be fun when everyone can own an iPhone. For all the success of the Android, there's absolutely no buzz attached to the brand with normal people -- especially when compared to the iPhone.

You're right. There are lots of parallels to the market positions of OS-X and Windows. Despite Apple predating Microsoft, and OS-X getting all the buzz, it only has a ca. 5% US market share of personal computers and a ca. 10% worldwide market share. Windows gets almost no buzz, and has a 90% US and 85% WW market share. And much more profit.

I suspect a similar thing is happening with mobile OS. Apple was there first, but is making some of the same mistakes it made with the Mac (and some new ones) to open the door for a more customer-centric competitor. Canalsys reported that in Q2 Android sales in the US rose 850%. I would say that Apple should be hearing footsteps, but based on the Nielson numbers, they have heard the footsteps and are now looking at the rear end of the competition as it runs away from them.

If Apple goes to Verizon now, it will be with their tail between their legs. That negotiation will be a bloodbath.
 
Talking marketshare. Yeah Apple can stay profitable, but you know...their strategies just never work "long term"...the closed system stuff just never does. We will see, and I am loaded with Apple stuff, but I know their day of reckoning is coming. I personally think their stock is probably at its peak in general.

But they will be around a long long time obviously. Plenty of money, and profits at an all time high.

Hopefully not within the next 2 years, cause I have an iPhone 5 and a Macbook Pro to buy.
 
Some people can't fathom why anyone would want a physical keyboard, because physical keyboards are limited to only one character set. (You can't switch to Greek for math, or Japanese if you want to chat in another language.) Some people also can't fathom why anyone would want to double the size of their phone just to add something that reduces functionality. From my perspective, every inch of a phone that is not screen is wasted space.

There are millions of Blackberry users who will have their BB with physical keyboard pried away from their "cold, dead fingers". Stop projecting your wants and needs onto everyone.
 
Please change your name to "full of fail." Lets break it down in elementry school terms.

Company A sells 3 different kinds of doughnuts in 3 different stores.
Company B sells 1 kind of doughnut in 1 store.

Who do you think will have the larger market share?

I would say Company A has a better business model for success.
 
Number one? In your dreams mate :).

Then again, I'm sure Apple are more than happy to have huge profit margins on the devices they sell. They've never been driven by the need to be number one. They know they can cream the largest profits out of gadgets that are seen as "high value". They wouldn't want to commoditise that by mixing with the hoi polloi. It's worked well for them over many years. Android can be the Windows of the mobile OS, and Apple can keep their perceived higher value. Everyone wins - even those who seem happy to pay more for less.

Android is pay more for less. It's essentially garbage but yet I have to pay for it.
 
WinMo has 13%? How is that possible? I've never seen a single person with a WinMo phone. Do they even sell WinMo phones any more?

Easy, WinMo is the standard platform for Symbol, Intermec, and Honeywell multifunction phone platforms. These devices are ruggedized, barcode scanning, and gps tracking little monsters. We sell a few hundred a month with our delivery mgmt software. There is a whole other device world out there most people don't know even exists because they don't need a phone the size of a small brick that can scan 10 barcodes a minute after accidentally driving over it with a delivery van.
 
what is the surprise ?

Given the way Apple treats its customers:

" Hey dear customers bunch of morons, guess what, we've got new great software for your phones !!!!!!! aren't you excited??? now, just FYI, you will need the iPhone 8GSSSSS in order to run it acceptably, but don't worry it will be out soon. Oh ! and if you have a iPhone 3G or earlier version just get rid of it for now".

I myself cannot wait to switch to another phone.
 
Android is quantity. iPhone is quality. I still haven't seen one Android phone that has similar quality and design to iPhone 4. One model of iPhone sold more than 3 million units. I haven't seen many Android devices break the 1 million barrier. Not the Nexus One, Evo 4G, Droid X, Droid Incredible. I think the original Droid was the first Android device to break the 1 million barrier. Meanwhile, every iPhone has done that.

Yeah, iPhone is quality all right. Barely touch a little spot on the phone, drop massive amounts of signal, and maybe calls. (remember I use an iPhone 4, but use a case regardless so I didn't care, but if I take it off it DOES drop immediately). It looks nice. But it's also all glass. Don't even dare drop it. It's just stupid design, but it's totally Steve Jobs (he has a history of deciding form and insisting function is stuffed in, even if it's impossible. It's documented) so not a shocker.

Yeah, iPhone's sell a lot because there is ONE MODEL every year from one provider. With android you get several choices. Look at it as a platform, not as a model. Android vs. iPhone. Android is going to win, barring a disaster. That's just how it works. And Android phones have plenty of quality, not sure where you're coming from on that one.
 
Yes, lets go ahead and compare over a dozen Android handsets to one iPhone handset. Sure that makes perfect sense.

There is no single smartphone churned out by the competition that can outsell Apple one (or two) models of phones.

Something to consider.

Google needs to flood the market with all manner of flotsam and jetsam in order to even put up a half-decent number.
 
right, it could be that... OR it could be that you can get android on all 4 major carriers and iphone only on AT&T. :rolleyes:



lawyers. and every single one I know has a blackberry, and iphone, or both.

No, I take that back. I know one with an old Palm Treo and one with a Droid. But zero winmo phones.

I agree with the fact the it is because it is on AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile and Sprint.
 
You're right. There are lots of parallels to the market positions of OS-X and Windows. Despite Apple predating Microsoft, and OS-X getting all the buzz, it only has a ca. 5% US market share of personal computers and a ca. 10% worldwide market share. Windows gets almost no buzz, and has a 90% US and 85% WW market share. And much more profit.

I suspect a similar thing is happening with mobile OS. Apple was there first, but is making some of the same mistakes it made with the Mac (and some new ones) to open the door for a more customer-centric competitor. Canalsys reported that in Q2 Android sales in the US rose 850%. I would say that Apple should be hearing footsteps, but based on the Nielson numbers, they have heard the footsteps and are now looking at the rear end of the competition as it runs away from them.

If Apple goes to Verizon now, it will be with their tail between their legs. That negotiation will be a bloodbath.


GREAT post... spot on apart from the figures.

Mac OS marketshare is 5% worldwide, 10% in the USA.

I have no idea why ANYONE who needs a handset to be good as an actual phone has an iPhone. Dreadful, dreadful product.
 
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