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Android Outpaces iPhone in Share of New U.S. Smartphone Customers for First Half of 2010

bkspero said:
I suspect a similar thing is happening with mobile OS. Apple was there first, but is making some of the same mistakes it made with the Mac (and some new ones) to open the door for a more customer-centric competitor. Canalsys reported that in Q2 Android sales in the US rose 850%. I would say that Apple should be hearing footsteps, but based on the Nielson numbers, they have heard the footsteps and are now looking at the rear end of the competition as it runs away from them.

If Apple goes to Verizon now, it will be with their tail between their legs. That negotiation will be a bloodbath.
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No it won't. There's no leverage imbalance -- Apple makes uncomfortably large profits being on AT&T only, and Verizon is the #1 carrier in America without the iPhone. Both groups stand to make lots of money by being together, but neither group "needs" the other. Hardly the situation where a "bloodbath" will ensue -- but I'll let the Android fanboys have their wet dream.

And you ARE in a dream world if you think Microsoft beat Apple in the 80's by being more "consumer centric" or that Android is growing because they're "consumer centric." Microsoft beat Apple by being cheaper and putting more machines in corporate settings (thereby encouraging people to get Microsoft products at home to be compatible). Android is growing faster than Apple by having more product available on more carriers.

"Consumer centric?" Ha. Consumers don't give a crap about that, neither do companies. Wake up.
 
peapody said:
Android?

Haha Android will always win until the iphone comes to Verizon. It is obvious that verizon is enough to keep people from flocking to the iphone. Walled garden indeed.

Dagless said:
How does this apply to the success of Android outside of the US?
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Ssshhhh! Remember we're all Americans here, and on practically every other forum it seems. Market economics apparently stops when it crosses the border.
 
3N16MA said:
Please change your name to "full of fail." Lets break it down in elementry school terms.

Company A sells 3 different kinds of doughnuts in 3 different stores.
Company B sells 1 kind of doughnut in 1 store.

Who do you think will have the larger market share?
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Really bad analogy. Let's break it down to preschool terms.

Apple > Google.
Google < Apple.
iPhone > Android.
Android < iPhone.

Essentially: Quality > Quantity.
 
Every Android based handset from all carriers versus a single product line on a single carrier . . . . we are supposed to be impressed?

Thats like comparing Windows market share versus Apple's OS. That is every manufactured computer essentially by non-Apple manufactures, versus Apple.

How about comparing any single Android-based phone, say the "Incredible", versus the iPhone. That's Apples to apples (per se').
 
Not Surprised

I am not very surprised on this news, iPhone 4 really sucks, Apple lost its credibility with a lot of users over the hardware problems. People like me will definitely look into Android to replace the iPhone 4 I still can return. :p
 
notabadname said:
Every Android based handset from all carriers versus a single product line on a single carrier . . . . we are supposed to be impressed?

Thats like comparing Windows market share versus Apple's OS. That is every manufactured computer essentially by non-Apple manufactures, versus Apple.

How about comparing any single Android-based phone, say the "Incredible", versus the iPhone. That's Apples to apples (per se').
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By the same logic, it would appear that because Apple only produces three desktop models and three laptop models, that it makes no sense to compare market shares of Windows and OS X. Am I right?
 
TennisandMusic said:
Yeah, iPhone is quality all right. Barely touch a little spot on the phone, drop massive amounts of signal, and maybe calls. (remember I use an iPhone 4, but use a case regardless so I didn't care, but if I take it off it DOES drop immediately). It looks nice. But it's also all glass. Don't even dare drop it. It's just stupid design, but it's totally Steve Jobs (he has a history of deciding form and insisting function is stuffed in, even if it's impossible. It's documented) so not a shocker.

Yeah, iPhone's sell a lot because there is ONE MODEL every year from one provider. With android you get several choices. Look at it as a platform, not as a model. Android vs. iPhone. Android is going to win, barring a disaster. That's just how it works. And Android phones have plenty of quality, not sure where you're coming from on that one.
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You don't know what quality means do you? That's called design. The little spot you're talking about is part of the antenna. Antennas are part of a device's design, not quality. Quality refers to the kinds of material used, manufacturing process, etc. You also don't know that not many products use regular glass anymore. Most are strengthened or chemically modified. The iPhone's Gorilla Glass is an example of that. It's not brittle like regular glass.

Steve Jobs doesn't actually design products anymore. It's more Jonathan Ive. If you want to prove your lack of knowledge, please go ahead. People need to laugh at other people's ignorance. But people don't want to be laughed at. Just a tip.

Android does give you choices. I know because I owned an Android phone before I went to iPhone. Android is going to win in numbers. But that doesn't make it better. There are other factors that determine a platform's superiority over another. Android devices are poor quality, relative to iPhone 4. Name one device with a metal chassis. Quality also refers to the apps associated with the platform. UI design is another factor important to people. So is security and stability. An open marketplace is not secure by any means. Stability also declines when the number of hardware configurations increases.
 
Number 41 said:
Ha.

This is the same kind of drivel that the nerdy wanks who pine for an open-source Linux-only future have been spouting for years. Consumers don't give a crap about "open-ness" of a platform. 30-somethings in their mom's basement worry about open platforms.

The simple fact is this: Android is available on multiple carriers and is the "featured product" on the #1 carrier in America (Verizon). As long as Apple is unavailable on the #1 carrier, they'll continue to be outpaced.
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You need better reading comprehension my friend. The issue is not propitiatory software vs. open source software, its about the control of the content using the OS. I use propitiatory software all the time from Adobe, Maxon, Apple, Microsoft, Beckman Coulter, VMWare and so on.... and I'm fine with it as long as they don't restrict the content I can use. Apple with iOS does restrict this, for both moral and financial considerations. For example, there is no reason that Google Voice should not be an app, but Apple PULLED IT.
 
TennisandMusic said:
It's platform vs. platform really. The apps will go to the platform with the bigger install base.
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If we are comparing platforms, then we should include iPod touch and iPad in the iOS numbers. And shouldn't we only include the same major version of the OS when we are discussing size of the platform? Apple is looking better and better compared to Android. And why do we always ignore international numbers when we compare Android and iPhone?

People should clearly be seeing the parallel here between the Mac and Windows desktop battle.
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Only because Apple is involved. The markets are not remotely similar.

iPhone is going to lose.
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Lose what?

Vertical integration ALWAYS loses.
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iPod

Steve Jobs hasn't changed in 30 years, and he's actually had many many failings.
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Now you are just making stuff up to bash Apple.

I use an iPhone 4, but it's pretty obvious to me that it's going to "lose".
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Lose what?
 
kirky29 said:
It was obvious this would happen.
I myself, prefer having one phone released per/year. Rather than 10's if not 100's of phones to pick from.
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^^^^^^ This.

Droid, Nexus One, Droid Incredible, EVO 4G, Droid X, Droid 2 ... ugh. I mean sure, having a lot of phones to choose from is nice, but it reminds me of my days of building my own PC. "This part does something better then this part, but is missing a feature of this other part".

My brother just got the Droid X. Not too bad a phone. Too big in my opinion. I didn't even realize it didn't have a front facing camera. I thought it would be pretty cool to try out fring between my iPhone 4 and the DX, but then couldn't figure out why it wouldn't let him use the front camera. Duh, there isn't one. Not that this is a big deal, but it shows that each new phone released with Android does something different. You can pick up the latest phone today and have it "obsoleted" tomorrow.

I use the term "obsoleted" loosely. Obviously the phones aren't obsolete and still work fine, but with new stuff coming out at such a rapid pace it can be overwhelming to try to figure out what you want.

Is the Droid 2 going to offer much over the Droid X? Will Droid X users wish they had waited for the Droid 2? Will the Droid 2 users wish they had waited another 2 months for the Droid Amazing?

Not to mention as new phones come out sporting newer and faster hardware, you get apps that either take advantage of it (and may screw those with slower hardware [flash?]), or apps that don't take advantage of it to remain compatible with 95% of the other devices out there.

Just my thoughts on the subject.
 
jav6454 said:
Yes, lets go ahead and compare over a dozen Android handsets to one iPhone handset. Sure that makes perfect sense.
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Why not? This is how people compare Windows vs OS X. I don't see anyone up in arms about how these numbers are tabulated.

Truth is there's never going to a single phone that out sells the iPhone (besides the next iPhone). But, eventually, the number of Android phones out there will out number iOS phones and Android will be the dominate platform. Everyone should just accept this now and save themselves the grief.
 
caccamolle said:
Given the way Apple treats its customers:

" Hey dear customers bunch of morons, guess what, we've got new great software for your phones !!!!!!! aren't you excited??? now, just FYI, you will need the iPhone 8GSSSSS in order to run it acceptably, but don't worry it will be out soon. Oh ! and if you have a iPhone 3G or earlier version just get rid of it for now".

I myself cannot wait to switch to another phone.
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The grass isn't always greener. . . :rolleyes:
 
notabadname said:
Every Android based handset from all carriers versus a single product line on a single carrier . . . . we are supposed to be impressed?

Thats like comparing Windows market share versus Apple's OS. That is every manufactured computer essentially by non-Apple manufactures, versus Apple..

How about comparing any single Android-based phone, say the "Incredible", versus the iPhone. That's Apples to apples (per se').
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No - comparing Android to the iPhone is perfectly logical. Just because Apple don't lease iOS to other manufacturers doesn't negate the point. Do people compare Apple OSX sales to simply those of Dell, or HP or Lenovo? No, they compare OSX sales to Microsoft. I'm sure Apple sell more Macs than some random Far East manufacturer, but no-one would seriously use those figures to show how well Macs were doing! To misquote someone - it's the OS, stupid :).


Motorola, HTC, Samsung etc etc are all shipping Android devices. Apple are shipping iOS devices. It's a perfectly acceptable measurement. You can also compare Samsung market share with HTC if you want and that would be perfectly acceptable, but the differentiator there is the subtleties of hardware and not the operating system. It just wouldn't be that interesting or significant as a news item.
 
shakenmartini said:
And only counts those who have not owned a smartphone before.

Kinda skewed if you ask me
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I actually don't know how this little fact would skew results. Is it saying Android is attracting more new customers? I'm not sure. More data (like smartphone switchers) would be cool.
 
Full of Win said:
You need better reading comprehension my friend. The issue is not propitiatory software vs. open source software, its about the control of the content using the OS. I use propitiatory software all the time from Adobe, Maxon, Apple, Microsoft, Beckman Coulter, VMWare and so on.... and I'm fine with it as long as they don't restrict the content I can use. Apple with iOS does restrict this, for both moral and financial considerations. For example, there is no reason that Google Voice should not be an app, but Apple PULLED IT.
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So you're one of the 7 people who are still bitter that Google Voice doesn't work with the iPhone? Wow. Get over it.

And Google doesn't restrict content? So was I dreaming when they revealed they could remotely-kill any app they wanted and whe they, in fact, did remotely kill an app on everyone's phones? Every phone restricts content. Carriers restrict content. It's a fact of life.
 
SnowLeopard2008 said:
Android is going to win in numbers. But that doesn't make it better.
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Definitely. Just the fact that Google basically gives Android away to any hardware maker will make it the default OS for most phones. They still have quite a long way to go on the polish though. I'm not sure they'll ever be able to completely eliminate the Linux-ish quality though unless they make some changes in philosophy.
 
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