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Android Outsells iPhone Globally

Carniphage said:
That's not true at all. Just look around and you can see that isn't happening.

Nokia has by far the largest smartphone market-share. But it is not any dictating market standards. Symbian is open source. But other handset manufacturers will not use it.
Developers are abandoning Nokia's platforms and moving to the iPhone. Not because it has the iPhone largest number of customers. But because iPhone development is profitable. The iPhone has people who are willing and able to spend money on Apps.

Nokia sells an incredible number of phones that are classed as smart-phones. But their profit per phone is declining rapidly. I think it averages at $15 per phone. In comparison, Apple makes more than $200.

If the trend continues in 18months Nokia may well be in a loss-making position. Whereas Apple became the most profitable handset manufacturer last year.

And it is Apple (and profitability) that are sets the standards. With every manufacturer attempting to duplicate the success that Apple has achieved.

Your thesis is completely wrong. It is profits that provide stability and freedom to experiment. Market share without profitability is just embarrassing.

C.
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Nokia is leading, but hasn't "won" yet. No one has. Fact is, there are more dumb phones than smart phones out there still. Once the balance tips in favor of smart phones, whoever is leading the smartphone OS race will have won.

What happened to Apple when Jobs first left? Apple stock? Profits? It sank. Without majority market share, it will happen again.
 
Rhonen said:
Nokia is leading, but hasn't "won" yet. No one has. Fact is, there are more dumb phones than smart phones out there still. Once the balance tips in favor of smart phones, whoever is leading the smartphone OS race will have won.

What happened to Apple when Jobs first left? Apple stock? Profits? It sank. Without majority market share, it will happen again.
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Market share is a meaningless statistic touted by cheerleaders. Ask someone in business what winning means.

C.
 
What I learned from watching Casino and its tagline was that Nobody Stays On Top Forever.

Nintendo had an even bigger market dominance than Apple has in this industry in both sales and profit. After two console generations, they eventually succumbed as market leader to Sony. Then Sony held the throne before some faltering with their PS3 which looks like the first PlayStation home console to NOT sell over 100M.

Steve Jobs won't live forever either and some of their "revolutionary ideas" just end up looking like rehashes. Savor it now. This is a fickle industry involved with a very polarizing company. Two years can change fast. Look how fast Motorola fell after the RAZR in 2005. This is like the granddaddy of cell phone manufacturers. Apple will rise and eventually stumble or decline just like any company or great athlete who gets older.

Apple will be like the old b*tch in the club that nobody cares to look at anymore. No longer HOT STUFF. It happened to Sony, and they made some pretty slick designs with their PSP and PS3 and great specs (at the time) compared to the competition that was out there in that market. The passing of the torch changes. You win some, you lose some.

Reminds me of Family Guy. During the early 2000's, it was very funny. Now it just plain sucks as of late. Maybe one decent episode PER season.
 
"Android outsold iPhone last quarter, globally" you forgot to finish your sentance, it was just last quarter, iPhones were sold for.. what.. a week out of the last 12 week quarter cycle?
 
Savor said:
What I learned from watching Casino and its tagline was that Nobody Stays On Top Forever.

Nintendo had an even bigger market dominance than Apple has in this industry in both sales and profit. After two console generations, they eventually succumbed as market leader to Sony. Then Sony held the throne before some faltering with their PS3 which looks like the first PlayStation home console to NOT sell over 100M.

Steve Jobs won't live forever either and some of their "revolutionary ideas" just end up looking like rehashes. Savor it now. This is a fickle industry involved with a very polarizing company. Two years can change fast. Look how fast Motorola fell after the RAZR in 2005. This is like the granddaddy of cell phone manufacturers. Apple will rise and eventually stumble or decline just like any company or great athlete who gets older.

Apple will be like the old b*tch in the club that nobody cares to look at anymore. No longer HOT STUFF. It happened to Sony, and they made some pretty slick designs with their PSP and PS3 and great specs (at the time) compared to the competition that was out there in that market. The passing of the torch changes. You win some, you lose some.

Reminds me of Family Guy. During the early 2000's, it was very funny. Now it just plain sucks as of late. Maybe one decent episode PER season.
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^^^made more sense and has more facts than your whole post
 
rookie1082 said:
Way to switch the topic to something else.
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Not really switching topics, just adding information that makes sense vs a bunch of ignorant fanboys trying to compare their peens about same sales figures that in the end don't mean s%#t. The Android fans want to act like it's a surprise that a few hundred handsets outselling one handset is some sort of achievement because it's the only "number" they can find that serves their cause. Any investor, competing CEO or board member looks at profits, ROI, that's why they are in the game to begin with.

Sorry if I interrupted your fantasy of what you believe being successful is all about. Please continue...
 
bossxii said:
Not really switching topics, just adding information that makes sense vs a bunch of ignorant fanboys trying to compare their peens about same sales figures that in the end don't mean s%#t. The Android fans want to act like it's a surprise that a few hundred handsets outselling one handset is some sort of achievement because it's the only "number" they can find that serves their cause. Any investor, competing CEO or board member looks at profits, ROI, that's why they are in the game to begin with.

Sorry if I interrupted your fantasy of what you believe being successful is all about. Please continue...
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Increasing marketshare so much in a growing smartphone market is a massive success as it shows you are making desirable products that people are itching to buy. Profits and ROI are secondary details that aren't of concern in marketshare figures, you can leave them to their own charts and graphs as a separate comparison of success. Selling many millions of devices to many millions of people in such a competitive market is definitely a success!
 
Carniphage said:
Not if you are only making a few dollars per device.
The perception of Nokia is that it is failing. Even though it sells the most devices.

C.
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You're bunching a number of metrics together that can be used to classify 'success' and saying that you need ALL of them to be successfull. That's simply not true - you can be successfull in one area while not being a success somewhere else. As such, it still stands that Androids massive growth is a huge success for the platform.
 
mrochester said:
You're bunching a number of metrics together that can be used to classify 'success' and saying that you need ALL of them to be successfull. That's simply not true - you can be successfull in one area while not being a success somewhere else. As such, it still stands that Androids massive growth is a huge success for the platform.
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Android is a successful platform, and it deserves to be.
But I'd hesitate to say that it is the most successful platform, simply on the basis of one number. Units sold.

C.
 
Carniphage said:
Android is a successful platform, and it deserves to be.
But I'd hesitate to say that it is the most successful platform, simply on the basis of one number. Units sold.

C.
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I wouldn't say it was the most successful overall, but time and time again I have pointed out that this topic is about marketshare, not profit or anything else, just marketshare. The success of Android discussed in this topic is in relation to marketshare. Maybe if people stopped deliberately diverting the topic then people wouldn't get confused.
 
Verizon has 90 million customers and has spent 100 million in advertising backing the Android phones. If anything, this shows how dominant Verizon is in the cell phone game. Android is just the next best thing to an iPhone they can get.

In a way, all Android sales owe popularity points to iPhone because it screams I want something like the iPhone. There was a huge demand for iPhone on Verizon, so the touchscreen multimedia smartphones of Android filled the void.

That iPhones own shadow grew bigger than it is a testament to Verizon and the importance of the legendary network to consumers.
 
Carniphage said:
And it is my point that marketshare is an utterly pointless metric of anything. If you insist on using that measure, the floundering Nokia trumps everything.

C.
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Nokia does trump everything as far as marketshare is concerned. What exactly is your point? You seem to be expecting marketshare figures to tell you something other than marketshare (which shows the popularity of your product).
 
mrochester said:
Nokia does trump everything as far as marketshare is concerned. What exactly is your point? You seem to be expecting marketshare figures to tell you something other than marketshare (which shows the popularity of your product).
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I don't know anyone that owns a Nokia. The last time I saw one was at my aunts house in 2008
 
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