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Android Security Flaw Let Apps Access People's Cameras for Secret Video and Audio Recordings
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Nope, that was the conspirators view of it. It’s not like people forget, it’s how some like to spin it. And there was a lawsuit that fell on its face, that should tell YOU something.
Have proof it wasn’t in the TOS, plain as day, that weren't bound by apples standard practices. Again, spin at its finest.
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Tim does love putting one message on billboards and the opposite message buried in TOS
Actually the same messages are buried in the TOS as is on the billboard. Don’t spin that to mean every nook and cranny of Apple is perfect.
ITT, people who believe that the company behind it makes one better than the other. When in reality both devices are technology, both devices have bugs, both devices have flaws, use what makes you happy. I carry 4 phones at the moment, 3 Android Phones and 1 iPhone. Each has a specific purpose, and it's clear which OS I prefer, but I don't believe for one second that any of them are perfect.
Android has had twice as many critical exploits this year compared to Apple. And most devices on the planet STILL haven’t received the patches to fix them.
The number of comments in Apple exploit threads proves you wrong.
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Another false equivalency. Nobody says iOS is perfect.
However, iOS is demonstrably superior to Android for privacy and security. To claim otherwise is a bald-faced lie.
Clearly you just ignored the last 4 pages of the thread if you think no one has said any such thing. And I disagree with you, iOS has not been demonstrably shown to be superior for privacy or security, unless you take Apple's word for it. That'd be as silly as taking Google's word that they're more secure. The fact of the matter is both have security and privacy issues, and will continue to do so. I use both platforms daily, each have their pros and cons, and what's "best" is personal preference. But I'm not going to drink the kool-aid from either, and state that one is more "secure" than the other. Both continue to constantly be hit with security issues, and both continue to fix them. If you want true security, get rid of your phone. I hear there was a study recently that says you'd be happier anyway.
Don't let them get to your nerves
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OK, I want Google and Samsung not to track me, not sell my data, and not serve me ads. I don’t think that I have that choice. Oh and while they’re at it, let me choose to uninstall Bixby and Facebook.
I agree that it’s a different model than Apple and Android security is fine IF:
a) they give me the phone and b) they pay me to use it.
Lol, this is hilarious. Even as an iPhone user I know this is not true
Nobody is the best at security. If it's not an OS exploit being exposed there's an app exploit being exposed on either OS.
If I WANTED real security I'd probably get a burner phone that doesn't keep a constant internet connection or use any apps outside of Calling and SMS.
Please point me to all the supposed comments I've missed claiming iOS is perfect. I have read the entire thread and i can't seem to find them. In fact, several people have made comments stating iOS isn't perfect, but still better.
Again with the false equivalency logical fallacy. I suppose next you're going to claim that because Apple and Google both collect data on users that they are also equal?
It's a proven fact iOS is superior for privacy and security. From the basic underlying architecture of both OSes to the APIs made available to developers (Android lets developers get away with far more than iOS does with regards to getting access to you and your data) to the speed at which exploits can be fixed (where Android is a complete joke compared to iOS and is the #1 reason why security is garbage on Android).
What proof are you looking for specifically?
- That Android has APIs/policies that allow developers to extract far more information about your and your device compared to iOS (which has restrictions on what developers can do)?
- That iOS is able to deliver security updates to their end users quickly and that Android users have to wait (or never get them at all)?
- That Google makes 90% of their revenues off advertising that requires the collection of vast amounts of user data, and that their free services are all designed to provide them this data while Apple makes their money off selling hardware and their data collection is used only to improve products?
Visit Google Maps in iOS Safari and you’ll get a pop-up that reads something like ‘We’re not getting the best out of your experience, would you like to download our app over your cellular data plan?’. You have to decline to continue. The app of course, has a very different privacy policy than iOS Safari.
Let‘s stick to the same price range here - Samsung phones that directly compete with Apple get very regular security updates. The Android November update was released to Samsung phones before Google released it on the Pixel range. If you buy a junk phone, expect it to have security issues. The current security issues predominantly affects phones that are several years ago. If you have an iPhone 5 you also don’t get security updates.
And yes, iOS had some massive and actively exploited security issues this year. Apart from that: Apple’s walled garden approach to iOS makes it much harder to identify issues. Which doesn’t mean the total number of issues is lower than on Android. Apple also has a very lousy track record in patching security holes, especially on Mac OS. It sometimes takes them months to fix problems that are already actively exploited.
I agree, however, that iOS is superior at privacy.
I think you’ve highlighted an important point. Most people on this forum are not using older phones that are no longer receiving security updates. So why would I get on my high horse and complain about an android exploit when I know if I were using an android phone I would be using something released in the last year and it would be getting regular security updates. Heck I had a note 10+ back in September and it was running the September patch. This thing was fixed back in July. Security risks exist on both platforms. Providing you have an android phone bought in the last 3 years you are getting monthly security updates and older than 3 years you are getting quarterly security updates.
iOS is *far* from perfect. Stuff like this though, coming out at almost a predictable cadence from Google/Android?? There's *no* excuse for it and only serves to perpetuate the notion Android is a steaming pile of an OS.
Funny. Whenever market share comes up people always love to compare the overall total market of Android (inc all those $50 junk phones) to the iPhone to claim Android is “winning”. Now when we want to talk about something like security updates they want to constrain Android to Samsung/Pixel and ignore all the issues with the rest of Android.
Sorry, you can’t have it both ways.
I have a Note 8, 9 and 10. My Note 8 took 6 months to get Oreo and 6 months to get Android Pie. My Note 9 took 5 months to get Pie. This is pathetic to have to wait this long for an OS update on a $1,000 flagship. Quarterly updates? So you’re OK with waiting up to 90 days for critical security updates?
BTW, I have an Android phone that within 6 months of purchase stopped getting security updates. Your claim any phone under 3 years still gets updates is false (unless you’re only talking about flagships).
Well yes I am only talking about flagships because I only buy flagships. If my phone was 3 years old and I wasn’t loooking to update it then I wouldn’t care if I had to wait 90 days for a security update. I’m also only talking about security updates which are different to OS updates on android.
not getting major version upgrades hardly has anything to do with security issues. The way Android is distributed to the OEMs means it takes a few months to get major version updates. You still get them every year and for Samsung phones that’s usually in February. Samsung also offers a beta program that allows you to get them much earlier.
So which phone do you have that stopped getting security updates after 3 months? Don’t say Huawei - everyone knew that would happen.
And it’s not only flagship phones that get fast updates - anything from Nokia proves you wrong.
From Google:
"Exploitation for many issues on Android is made more difficult by enhancements in newer versions of the Android platform. We encourage all users to update to the latest version of Android where possible. "
Pretty straightforward. If you're not running the latest version of Android then you're not getting all the latest mitigations for security issues that Google has added (typically architectural changes to Android itself to make it more difficult to exploit).
Same could be said for iOS considering the exploits that were uncovered this year, some of which are unpatchable by software and need hardware to be replaced.
Nobody is clean in this game.