Well, that's untrue and I'm pretty sure your just regurgitating what you've seen others post. Still doesn't answer my question about OS fragmentation affecting the user of a particular phone. If I have LG V30 what does OS fragmentation mean to me?
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When it comes to home automation, I think Alexa and Google will be the predominant players only because of price. Overall though, HomeKit is a better solution and more secure at that (important for home stuff). I had Echo's in my house (3) and was able to replace them all with one HomePod, which has worked much better for me (easier to set up accessories/automations, hears me much better, and sound of course). It will ultimately depend on the user, but I didn't find the experience on the Alexa side much better at all.
Android has backwards compatibility on their apps so even an old phone can run the newer apps. Fragmentation is being sorted out. Btw, our old lg g5 did receive OS updates 2 of them and quarterly security updates. My s9+ has June security update as well already and guaranteed at least 2 Os updstes. Geesh the misinformstion around here is mindblowing. Btw, atleast when my phones got updates my phone didnt slow down or brick
If they keep up with the marketing, maybe they'll get up to that elusive "20% of the market" milestone.
Man that must be a tough pill to swallow given that they INVENTED the modern smartphone OS.
Too bad they're so obstinate about bending the world to their whims rather than serving customers.
Back when they had a visionary at the helm they could force nonbelievers to adopt their strange new paradigms that were actually better.
Now they just use it as an excuse to refuse to do R&D or update products.
Why serve your customers when you have a marketing department that can paper over your lack of competitiveness?
Man that must be a tough pill to swallow given that they INVENTED the modern smartphone OS.
Too bad they're so obstinate about bending the world to their whims rather than serving customers.
Back when they had a visionary at the helm they could force nonbelievers to adopt their strange new paradigms that were actually better.
Now they just use it as an excuse to refuse to do R&D or update products.
Why serve your customers when you have a marketing department that can paper over your lack of competitiveness?
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The value(intrinsic not dollar) an iPhone presents is almost directly proportional to the level of ecosystem entrenchment present. All in with iOS? iPhone has a higher value. Ecosystem agnostic? iPhone's value diminishes fairly quickly. Exceedingly quickly if one is like me. I have always said Apple has good hardware, but the restrictive OS requirements keep iPhones out of my phone choices. With more choice, the iPhone value would increase imo. So the value you think an iPhone has is not an absolute.
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That's a generalization. I was referencing specificity to a user. Fragmentation means little or nothing to a user. Android doesn't update like iOS. Central apps and security update outside of the OS.
I think a case could be made that those who are NOT price sensitive end up becoming poor.
What about non flagship devices? Apple still supports the iPhone SE.
As for flagships, it took until yesterday for the S9 US snapdragon unlocked model to get its first update patch since the Feb one.
I don't think anyone without a flagship even knows what a software update is.
I guess nobody has purchased a single Android Go or Android One phone to date, right? It's not like OEMs are working models for those platforms either.
That has nothing to do with software updates, we are talking about Samsung and LG not updating which they do for their flagship phones, yet you first stated they didn't and that's why I corrected you.
The LG G6 does not have Oreo on T-Mobile. If LG cannot get the software on an early 2017 flagship device, then how can a LG Stylo or LG Q customer expect to get the software update in a timely fashion? Less updates means more things can go unpatched, like KRACK. Fragmentation means less uniformity and update schedules could vary from OEM to OEM. So have fun trying to even get Android P on your LG V30 in a timely manner. It also means you may not get newer features on a phone at the same time as other major markets. It took till December 2017 for the LG G6 to get Face Unlock on T-Mobile. Feature was announced last summer too.
If those things do not matter to you, then so be it. But it will matter to others. LG is the epitome of disastrous quality control and poor support.
Their support is so bad. LG still doesn't have Oreo on its G6 for T-Mobile. The S9 got its first update in months yesterday. The S7 does not have Oreo on T-Mobile nor does it have timely monthly software patches:
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-30276
Oreo has been available since late 2017. Fragmentation is alive and well.
Have a look at how the ecosystem support and momentum is going atm. You may argue how much better HomeKit might be, but that means zilch if you don't have stuff to control. And in fact, I'd even argue that Siri is so, so far behind Google Home that it's not even funny. No, it's not about price.
It depends on the zone and carrier. I'm not saying the support is fast I'm simply stating that they do not abandon the old flagships and they do support them for long.
Tbh most don't care about updates. And if I did have an iphone I'd be worried it would slow down or brick anyway. I know many iPhone users who dont update their phones because of problems
Yea I could definitely be wrong, just going by my own experiences or friends and family members. HomeKit stuff is still growing and should see more products now that they made it easier to implement. Personally I found Siri to be better than Alexa in my household, but I am really only using it for smart home stuff, music, and the occasional weather/news update.
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I was more so referring to value in the iPhone itself (performance, support, longevity, security, privacy, apps, ect.), but ecosystem definitely plays a factor. You make a fair point and it definitely ups the value for users in the Apple ecosystem. I guess I just never saw the value (personally) to using a bunch of different platforms/brands. It gives you some flexibility, yes, but I prefer things to all work together and similarly.
TVs, Cars, vacuum cleaners, integrating those... Alexa has its flaws too, but it has ecosystem. Google has AI assets and it seems the ecosystem is growing fast. And Siri's lacks are so well documented and discussed out there so that should not even be a discussion point at the moment.
What about this?
https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-28979
https://www.att.com/devicehowto/tut.../id/stepbystep_KM1135186?make=LG&model=G4H810
LG G4, no Nougat on it nor or Oreo. Not a single update since December 2017 for T-Mobile. I get it that zones and carriers are heavy factors in updates. However, it's safe to assume LG ditched support for the G4 since there hasn't been a software patch since April 2017 on AT&T. Neither provided Nougat either.
If Samsung can provide the S6 with some 2018 patches, why can't LG w/ it's G4?
Not everyone upgrades on a yearly basis or every other year basis. One should have to use Android Go, Android One, or a Google Pixel to get long term support. The fragmentation is on Google because they need more hardware and software uniformity. The Windows approach could solve some of the problems.
Apple still pushes updates on the iPhone 5s, a phone that came out in 2013. I am sure many would use Android if there was Apple level support w/ updates and customer service.
LG has a bad reputation for updates and reliability so I really can't defend them on that, but let me tell you again as you said "Not everyone upgrades on a yearly basis or every other year basis." just like most people don't update their phones and click on "Do it later".
Planned obsolescence isn't Apple exclusive. They just happened to get caught and it was an embarrassing moment for the company. $29 charge to slap in a new battery and others walk away content enough not to upgrade their 6, 6S, or 7 series devices. Software updates could be buggy from any OEM, it's not Apple exclusive either. iOS 12 is so ho hum since it needed a snow leopard type of update to get the OS on track again. iOS 12 beta users feel that their software might be more stable than iOS 11. That is chuckle worthy, even though that's coming from an iOS user.
I do not believe too many updates are good for phones. Too many updates means sloppy software testing and possible QC issues. Apple isn't saint like by any sorts. I am not worried about my 8+ slowing down because it's going to be replaced with a modern design language Apple will use for the next few years.
Either it will be a 2017 X, 2018 LCD model, or 2018 X. Whatever I can afford and it really depends on what T-Mobile's trade in deals are. Chances are I expect about $300-$400 in trade credit. I think I will take that and just pony up for the extra on the LCD model unless I can get a 2017 X free on a two year contract as part of a clearance deal.
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If people didn't care about updates, then Nexus/Pixel would lose some of its Android unique value proposition. There wouldn't be platforms like Android One or Android Go. There wouldn't be a OnePlus series of phones each year. Android wouldn't get knocked for fragmentation nor would OEMs care to push out updates.
Oh yea, they definitely do. I question the quality of a lot of the products that work with Alexa, but that's really up to the individual to decide. I found Siri to be the same as Alexa in a lot of ways, they just need to open it up on the HomePod also. The Siri Shortcuts app in iOS 12 will help with anything more advanced that I need Siri to do.
Tbh I upgrade avout 3yrs.
unfortunately you pick Siri's shortcuts, she is not smart enough to just do it. Hence 1 reason why she is so far behind. Those shortcuts are just laughable
What is it you think doesn't work together? That's not a snarky question. It's a genuine curiosity. There's nothing that I own that supposed to work together that doesn't. For instance (slightly hyperbolic example forthcoming): I can start a document on my S7 - pick it up on any of the 3 ipads in my house and keep going - move from there to any of the PC's and add more info - pull my MBA out and edit - flip it to my daughter's iPhone 7 and wife's S8 for independent proofreads and see the results on my old ass Nexus 7. Doesn't have to be document. Could be a photo, spreasheet, it doesn't matter. Cross platform software tends to negate any perceived ecosystem advantages imo. Personal preference plays a big part and there's nothing wrong with liking a single ecosystem. If works for ya' I'm all for it. But you should assume varying brands and platforms don't work well together. They do.