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Oh yea, they definitely do. I question the quality of a lot of the products that work with Alexa, but that's really up to the individual to decide. I found Siri to be the same as Alexa in a lot of ways, they just need to open it up on the HomePod also. The Siri Shortcuts app in iOS 12 will help with anything more advanced that I need Siri to do.

In many cases they are the same products you would use with HomeKit. Question all you like, but if you want to automate things you are going to have to rely on 3rd parties anyway.
 
What is it you think doesn't work together? That's not a snarky question. It's a genuine curiosity. There's nothing that I own that supposed to work together that doesn't. For instance (slightly hyperbolic example forthcoming): I can start a document on my S7 - pick it up on any of the 3 ipads in my house and keep going - move from there to any of the PC's and add more info - pull my MBA out and edit - flip it to my daughter's iPhone 7 and wife's S8 for independent proofreads and see the results on my old ass Nexus 7. Doesn't have to be document. Could be a photo, spreasheet, it doesn't matter. Cross platform software tends to negate any perceived ecosystem advantages imo. Personal preference plays a big part and there's nothing wrong with liking a single ecosystem. If works for ya' I'm all for it. But you should assume varying brands and platforms don't work well together. They do.
This!!!!!
 
What is it you think doesn't work together? That's not a snarky question. It's a genuine curiosity. There's nothing that I own that supposed to work together that doesn't. For instance (slightly hyperbolic example forthcoming): I can start a document on my S7 - pick it up on any of the 3 ipads in my house and keep going - move from there to any of the PC's and add more info - pull my MBA out and edit - flip it to my daughter's iPhone 7 and wife's S8 for independent proofreads and see the results on my old ass Nexus 7. Doesn't have to be document. Could be a photo, spreasheet, it doesn't matter. Cross platform software tends to negate any perceived ecosystem advantages imo. Personal preference plays a big part and there's nothing wrong with liking a single ecosystem. If works for ya' I'm all for it. But you should assume varying brands and platforms don't work well together. They do.

No I think that's a fair question. For me, it's more of a personal preference as I prefer consistency across all my devices. If I buy an app on my iPhone, it's a similar experience on my iPad or my Apple TV. If I pay for a service, it works the same way across all of my devices. This is really just a small reason why I choose the Apple platform, but it has worked well for me.
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In many cases they are the same products you would use with HomeKit. Question all you like, but if you want to automate things you are going to have to rely on 3rd parties anyway.

Well some aren't. I have had some not so great experiences working with devices on the Alexa/Google side. You're right though, ultimately I am bringing in 3rd parties, but I prefer to work with them all through one platform that works across all my other devices.
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Tbh I upgrade avout 3yrs.

unfortunately you pick Siri's shortcuts, she is not smart enough to just do it. Hence 1 reason why she is so far behind. Those shortcuts are just laughable

Well I haven't used it yet so I can't say for sure. I am not all that big on voice/AI assistants anyway, just need it for smart home stuff and music.
 
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No I think that's a fair question. For me, it's more of a personal preference as I prefer consistency across all my devices. If I buy an app on my iPhone, it's a similar experience on my iPad or my Apple TV. If I pay for a service, it works the same way across all of my devices. This is really just a small reason why I choose the Apple platform, but it has worked well for me.
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Well some aren't. I have had some not so great experiences working with devices on the Alexa/Google side. You're right though, ultimately I am bringing in 3rd parties, but I prefer to work with them all through one platform that works across all my other devices.
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Well I haven't used it yet so I can't say for sure. I am not all that big on voice/AI assistants anyway, just need it for smart home stuff and music.
Give it a shot. I was reluctant. But since I can order food, make appts, and so much more without picking any device up I have really fallen in love with it. We love our Alexa fire cube tv too. Just wow tbh!
 
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Give it a shot. I was reluctant. But since I can order food, make appts, and so much more without picking any device up I have really fallen in love with it. We love our Alexa fire cube tv too. Just wow tbh!

That's awesome, glad you like it. I have used Siri for making reservations, ordering food, getting an Uber, stuff like that. It's appealing, but I don't mind just picking up my phone either. That could certainly change over time though.
 
Think it has more to do with carriers offering BOGO iPhone 8 than anything Apple has done.

Sure thing, you tell yourself that...

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And other major carriers do the same.
 
Google's phones are basically iPhones in their ease of use and updates. Everyone here freaks out about their data practices though. Google gives you detailed options concerning what data to share. The people freaking out are just assuming Google doesn't actually follow those rules you set. Just like they assume Apple doesn't have any intention of mining their iPhone data.

I really like the Apple integration with the eco system. I have an Apple Watch, Macbook Pro, and Apple TV. It just really integrates very well. If I ever go Android it would be pure google though.
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Planned obsolescence isn't Apple exclusive. They just happened to get caught and it was an embarrassing moment for the company. $29 charge to slap in a new battery and others walk away content enough not to upgrade their 6, 6S, or 7 series devices. Software updates could be buggy from any OEM, it's not Apple exclusive either. iOS 12 is so ho hum since it needed a snow leopard type of update to get the OS on track again. iOS 12 beta users feel that their software might be more stable than iOS 11. That is chuckle worthy, even though that's coming from an iOS user.

I do not believe too many updates are good for phones. Too many updates means sloppy software testing and possible QC issues. Apple isn't saint like by any sorts. I am not worried about my 8+ slowing down because it's going to be replaced with a modern design language Apple will use for the next few years.

Either it will be a 2017 X, 2018 LCD model, or 2018 X. Whatever I can afford and it really depends on what T-Mobile's trade in deals are. Chances are I expect about $300-$400 in trade credit. I think I will take that and just pony up for the extra on the LCD model unless I can get a 2017 X free on a two year contract as part of a clearance deal.
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If people didn't care about updates, then Nexus/Pixel would lose some of its Android unique value proposition. There wouldn't be platforms like Android One or Android Go. There wouldn't be a OnePlus series of phones each year. Android wouldn't get knocked for fragmentation nor would OEMs care to push out updates.
Yet Pixel phones are not the most sold Android phones but low end to midrange phones.
 
Google's phones are basically iPhones in their ease of use and updates. Everyone here freaks out about their data practices though. Google gives you detailed options concerning what data to share. The people freaking out are just assuming Google doesn't actually follow those rules you set. Just like they assume Apple doesn't have any intention of mining their iPhone data.

First, regarding updates, no. There is no comparison. Even Google doesn't support Google phones with updates to new OS versions for nearly as long as Apple does - let alone the other OEMs.

Second, it's not about trusting Google to follow the user preferences but rather trusting Google to be as secure as they claim. My old man used to joke: the most secure computer is off, unplugged, and 5 feet away from any doors, windows, or walls. It's true though - the fact Google has all this data (whether you let them sell it with third-parties or not) and it is connected makes it not as secure as it can be. Big companies with sophisticated security infrastructures have their data compromised either by hack, disgruntled employee, or corporate espionage all the time. It's really only a matter of time before some or all of Google's data is stolen one way or another (could be this year, could be in 10 or more years, but it will happen).

Apple's approach is not perfect, but it's better. (Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.) Instead of hoarding as much personal information as possible, they purposefully try to collect as little as possible, and then they try to store the most sensitive data off-cloud and on the individual devices. This means much less of my data is out there to be stolen, and while as an individual only the data on my device is vulnerable, everyone's data is not simultaneously and collectively as vulnerable.
 
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Yet Pixel phones are not the most sold Android phones but low end to midrange phones.

You’re missing the point. Traditionally, companies won’t invest $ to make to make yearly products or periodic products with similar software. Pixels aren’t ready to be the biggest Android selling phone for numerous reasons. I am just saying there is a market for Pure Android or minimal Android skinned devices.

Nokia and OnePlus are moving enough volume to make their phone lines last longer than one iteration.
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Tbh I upgrade avout 3yrs.

unfortunately you pick Siri's shortcuts, she is not smart enough to just do it. Hence 1 reason why she is so far behind. Those shortcuts are just laughable

Siri is dumb. I hope iOS 12 somehow makes her much more useful. I have the Google Assistant here if I need it.
 
That's one way to say poor.
Far from poor and I've had both iOS and Android units. I prefer the Android ecosystem over iOS.
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People grow up and just want a device that works consistently and smoothly. Android is often cheap and works well enough to get you through college. But then people grow up once they get a career and don't want to fuss with their devices as much. Obviously this is still a preference and not everyone does this, but it is extremely rare that I ever hear about someone who went from iPhone to Android and actually stuck with it. Though I know some people who own both and bounce between devices.

Coming up on 1.5 years with my cheap Android phone and it just works and works better than my iPhone 6+ did. The ecosystem (Google, Google Home, Android Auto, etc) is much better than Apple/iOS. It also just works and works well. Doubtful I'll be back in the iOS fold when I get a new phone. Too many things that I take for granted would be hard or not work well.

Same on the Mac space - was a die hard Mac user but wanted to try a touchscreen laptop. Went Windows in Jan 2017 and have not looked back. The choice and price is much better and Windows actually runs very well. Now have 3 Win 10 devices (HP Laptop, Surface, and Desktop beast) and they all are great at what they do.
 
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Coming up on 1.5 years with my cheap Android phone and it just works and works better than my iPhone 6+ did. The ecosystem (Google, Google Home, Android Auto, etc) is much better than Apple/iOS. It also just works and works well. Doubtful I'll be back in the iOS fold when I get a new phone. Too many things that I take for granted would be hard or not work well.

Same on the Mac space - was a die hard Mac user but wanted to try a touchscreen laptop. Went Windows in Jan 2017 and have not looked back. The choice and price is much better and Windows actually runs very well. Now have 3 Win 10 devices (HP Laptop, Surface, and Desktop beast) and they all are great at what they do.

That's fine but to be fair the iPhone 6 Plus was by far the worst iPhone I've ever used and I've used all of them. It was just a big lemon. I hated it so much and was relieved when I got the 6s. It was always being glitchy and laggy. I have no idea what happened that year, lol.
 
Their support is so bad. LG still doesn't have Oreo on its G6 for T-Mobile. The S9 got its first update in months yesterday. The S7 does not have Oreo on T-Mobile nor does it have timely monthly software patches:

https://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-30276

Oreo has been available since late 2017. Fragmentation is alive and well.
My S9 has gotten monthly security updates since release. Stop spreading misinformation.
 
Android for poor people, lol these people are so uninformed they like to feel superior for owning a $1000 device when a similar $200 does the same thing. Android users tend to use their money in a smart way and now throwing at in a bin. It's not even about wasting whatever you want in a phone, it's wasting and then coming to public forums calling other users poor and inferior. Grow up.
I agree that price sensitive doesn’t mean poor.
However, Android users using their money smartly? If that’s the case, nobody would buy the overpriced Samsung Galaxy S9 when, as you stated, a $200 phone does the same thing. Samsung flagships are up there in the $800 -$1k price range. If Android users are smart with their money, Samsung won’t be the biggest Android OEM.

It’s all about brand. Apple and Samsung are the top brands, and consumers, regardless of platform, gravitates towards the top brands. Simple as that.
 
I agree that price sensitive doesn’t mean poor.
However, Android users using their money smartly? If that’s the case, nobody would buy the overpriced Samsung Galaxy S9 when, as you stated, a $200 phone does the same thing. Samsung flagships are up there in the $800 -$1k price range. If Android users are smart with their money, Samsung won’t be the biggest Android OEM.

It’s all about brand. Apple and Samsung are the top brands, and consumers, regardless of platform, gravitates towards the top brands. Simple as that.

Yes... Samsung sells more smartphones than anyone else... which makes them the biggest Android OEM and biggest smartphone OEM period.

But don't forget... even with Samsung flagships like the S9 and Note... their smartphones average ~$200 much like the other Android OEMs.

So yeah... Samsung is a top brand... but they don't only sell super-expensive phones. The majority of their sales are rather cheap phones. :)

Sidenote: It might be unfair to say "Android is for poor people"

And yet... if you happen to be poor and can only afford a $50 smartphone around the world... what OS is it running?

The problem with the term "Android" is it can have multiple meanings.

There are $900 Android phones... and also $50 Android phones.

This is always a tricky conversation. :p
 
Yes... Samsung sells more smartphones than anyone else... which makes them the biggest Android OEM and biggest smartphone OEM period.

But don't forget... even with Samsung flagships like the S9 and Note... their smartphones average ~$200 much like the other Android OEMs.

So yeah... Samsung is a top brand... but they don't only sell super-expensive phones. The majority of their sales are rather cheap phones. :)

Sidenote: It might be unfair to say "Android is for poor people"

And yet... if you happen to be poor and can only afford a $50 smartphone around the world... what OS is it running?

The problem with the term "Android" is it can have multiple meanings.

There are $900 Android phones... and also $50 Android phones.

This is always a tricky conversation. :p

$50 android can do as much as the cheapest iPhone at $400. There is no trick. You choose to pay hundreds more for a piece of apple sticker that's fine. Having the apple sticker doesn't give you a superior phone.

And don't be surprised that a $50 android performs better than low end iPhone running on the notorious ios11 :p
 
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$50 android can do as much as the cheapest iPhone at $400. There is no trick. You choose to pay hundreds more for a piece of apple sticker that's fine. Having the apple sticker doesn't give you a superior phone.

And don't be surprised that a $50 android performs better than low end iPhone running on the notorious ios11 :p

The "tricky" I was referring to was about any conversation having to do with "poor people" and "Android"

All it seems to do is rile people up on these message boards. :p
 
The "tricky" I was referring to was about any conversation having to do with "poor people" and "Android"

All it seems to do is rile people up on these message boards. :p

I think only iPhone fans use "poor people" as
The "tricky" I was referring to was about any conversation having to do with "poor people" and "Android"

All it seems to do is rile people up on these message boards. :p

iPhone fans just like to use the "poor people" argument. :p

Not many look at a smartphone today as a status symbol. In many countries you can get iPhone for free bundled with a mobile plan. If iPhone fans want to play that game, then most iPhone users are poor too considering they only got iPhone because it is free.
 
So one person didn't get the updates so your logic is that all S9's have not been updated? Like i said I've had security updates since launch as have many others.

No, more like the US factory unlocked Snapdragon models haven't been updated in a timely manner. People have made posts on Reddit too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS9/comments/8ql9ch/its_been_90_days_and_still_no_update_for_the/

You may get updates, but others do not get them or get them in a timely manner. That's why I wouldn't rely on Samsung to give a similar experience to a Pixel or an iPhone.
 
No, more like the US factory unlocked Snapdragon models haven't been updated in a timely manner. People have made posts on Reddit too.

https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyS9/comments/8ql9ch/its_been_90_days_and_still_no_update_for_the/

You may get updates, but others do not get them or get them in a timely manner. That's why I wouldn't rely on Samsung to give a similar experience to a Pixel or an iPhone.

Please knock yourself out enjoying the weekly updated ios11 heavenly experience :p
 
I agree that price sensitive doesn’t mean poor.
However, Android users using their money smartly? If that’s the case, nobody would buy the overpriced Samsung Galaxy S9 when, as you stated, a $200 phone does the same thing. Samsung flagships are up there in the $800 -$1k price range. If Android users are smart with their money, Samsung won’t be the biggest Android OEM.

It’s all about brand. Apple and Samsung are the top brands, and consumers, regardless of platform, gravitates towards the top brands. Simple as that.
The S9 is not the most sold smartphone and it still doesn't invalidate my argument that Android users are smarter since with the S9 you are getting much more for your money than with an iPhone.
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You’re missing the point. Traditionally, companies won’t invest $ to make to make yearly products or periodic products with similar software. Pixels aren’t ready to be the biggest Android selling phone for numerous reasons. I am just saying there is a market for Pure Android or minimal Android skinned devices.

Nokia and OnePlus are moving enough volume to make their phone lines last longer than one iteration.
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Siri is dumb. I hope iOS 12 somehow makes her much more useful. I have the Google Assistant here if I need it.
There's market for everything and I keep my argument, if Pixel was available everywhere and with a stronger marketing it would sell more than 4 millions, I'm not saying it will be the biggest selling phone.
 
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