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Eventually many developers will drop iOS development and move exclusively to Android, just like they did with Windows.

This isn't debatable, it's common sense. If it keeps going this way, I suspect Android will have 75-80% of the market. Apple will lead in profits for awhile because Fanboys will buy iPhones regardless if popular software titles are available (Just like the Mac, remember AutoCad was just recently available again, but Mac Fanboys were always trying to tell you that "Uncle Joe's Cad" was "just as good".

No it wasn't, and the majority of the population knows the difference.

Eventually developers will just develop for both platforms, trying to make money wherever it can be made.

Doesn't matter what system!
 
Eventually many developers will drop iOS development and move exclusively to Android, just like they did with Windows.

Some developers have done that already.

But word on the street in the mobile dev community is that even though the Android market is larger, the revenues turn out to be significantly smaller (except for free ad supported apps). Fewer Android users will pay for apps, and many types of apps just don't work when loaded up with ads. Developers will go where the money is, just like they did with Windows... and currently that's back to Apple's iOS App store where most of the really profitable customers hang out.

It doesn't matter who has the most customers. It matters who has the most customers who actually spend significant amounts of money.
 
Here's Android. Isn't all that share just awesome?!

http://www.amazon.com/Pantech-Crossover-Android-Phone-AT/dp/B0053H8OXU

This too, is the face of Android.


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As well as this . . . thing:

http://www.sogi.com.tw/product/productInfo.aspx?pno=7514

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Join the revolution! Apply within:

http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/11/cheap-android-phones-are-unreliable/

Oops . . . I meant this:

http://www.cheapandroidphone.net/


But all this junk comes at a price:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/11/android-repairs-costly/

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...cos-spend-billions-on-repairs/article2223774/

Hidden cost of cheap Android phones: Telcos spend billions on repairs

Fitting older versions of Google's Inc. (GOOG-Q616.563.560.58%) popular Android software to cheaper cellphones could send the repair costs of global telecoms operators up as much as $2-billion, a study by wireless services firm WDS showed.

Costly hardware failures are more common on Android devices than on Apple Inc. (AAPL-Q388.839.572.52%) iPhones and Research In Motion Inc. (RIM-T19.540.935.00%) BlackBerry phones, which have strict control over the components used in their devices, WDS data showed.

Cheaper Android models, costing as little as $100 to make, have helped Android emerge as the dominant platform in smart phones, attracting dozens of manufacturers ranging from Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. to no-brand Asian vendors.

“While this price point sounds very attractive, when you look at a total cost of ownership its a different story,” said Tim Deluca-Smith, Vice President of Marketing at WDS, which offers device management and call-centre services to operators.

Android's share of the global smart phone market rose to 57 per cent in the third quarter from 25 per cent a year earlier and just 3 per cent two years earlier, boosted by the success of models from Samsung, HTC Corp. and Sony Ericsson, according to research firm Canalys.

Deluca-Smith said that, while Android has helped take smart phones to masses of people, it has come at a cost, especially when telecommunications operators roll out cheaper devices from less-known brands.

“At the moment, Android is a bit of the Wild West,” he said.

He said returning a broken device costs an operator on average $130 in service costs, transport fees or in the costs of replacing of the device.

The study covered 600,000 technical support calls taken by WDS across Europe, North America, South Africa and Australia.


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BS. Replace Android with fast food "brand" and you get nonsense just as big as the one here.

OK, let's see what happens. "McDonald's is obviously an excellent platform if over 50% of smartphones are shipping with it."

Clearly doesn't work. So obviously, you'd basically need to redefine the entire statement:

"McDonald's is obviously an excellent restaurant if over 50% of Americans eat there as their main source of food." vs. "McDonald's is obviously an excellent restaurant if over 50% of Americans occasionally eat there."

Both give very different conclusions.
 
He is talking about manufacturers giving away phones, perhaps he thinks that when a carrier gives you a "free" phone, the manufactures is not paid

OK, sure, I misunderstood. But when do manufacturers give away smartphones in large qualities?
 
Hidden cost of cheap Android phones: Telcos spend billions on repairs

Fitting older versions of Google's Inc. (GOOG-Q616.563.560.58%) popular Android software to cheaper cellphones could send the repair costs of global telecoms operators up as much as $2-billion, a study by wireless services firm WDS showed.

Costly hardware failures are more common on Android devices than on Apple Inc. (AAPL-Q388.839.572.52%) iPhones and Research In Motion Inc. (RIM-T19.540.935.00%) BlackBerry phones, which have strict control over the components used in their devices, WDS data showed.

Cheaper Android models, costing as little as $100 to make, have helped Android emerge as the dominant platform in smart phones, attracting dozens of manufacturers ranging from Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. to no-brand Asian vendors.

“While this price point sounds very attractive, when you look at a total cost of ownership its a different story,” said Tim Deluca-Smith, Vice President of Marketing at WDS, which offers device management and call-centre services to operators.

Android's share of the global smart phone market rose to 57 per cent in the third quarter from 25 per cent a year earlier and just 3 per cent two years earlier, boosted by the success of models from Samsung, HTC Corp. and Sony Ericsson, according to research firm Canalys.

Deluca-Smith said that, while Android has helped take smart phones to masses of people, it has come at a cost, especially when telecommunications operators roll out cheaper devices from less-known brands.

“At the moment, Android is a bit of the Wild West,” he said.

He said returning a broken device costs an operator on average $130 in service costs, transport fees or in the costs of replacing of the device.

The study covered 600,000 technical support calls taken by WDS across Europe, North America, South Africa and Australia.


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I like so much this report, 14% of Android calls are related to hardware and 7% of iPhone calls are related to hardware and the conclusion is that is a very big problem with fragmentation because it cause those hardware fails.

Gazillions of crappy phones without great hardware software integration and 14% of calls related to hardware
2 models, hardware and software tailor made and they only achieve half the percentage calls
 
I like so much this report, 14% of Android calls are related to hardware and 7% of iPhone calls are related to hardware and the conclusion is that is a very big problem with fragmentation because it cause those hardware fails.

Gazillions of crappy phones without great hardware software integration and 14% of calls related to hardware
2 models, hardware and software tailor made and they only achieve half the percentage calls

those iPhone numbers would've been higher too but for the endless dropped calls.! :p
 


Wow there where do you live? How is this the face of Android? I haven't seen a single American or European with those phones. Here is the real face of Android from what I see

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Two of the phones with android I see often, unless you live in Asia? People in might have some different sightings of phones but I highly doubt showing a Chinese phone and a Pantech phone represents the face of Android.

Edit: I just noticed you're from Canada, I'm from Montreal and I haven't seen a single person with any of the phones you illustrated.
 
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Wow there where do you live? How is this the face of Android? I haven't seen a single American or European with those phones. Here is the real face of Android from what I see

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Two of the phones with android I see often, unless you live in Asia? People in might have some different sightings of phones but I highly doubt showing a Chinese phone and a Pantech phone represents the face of Android.

Edit: I just noticed you're from Canada, I'm from Montreal and I haven't seen a single person with any of the phones you illustrated.

I saw this. I saw that.

I saw Elvis in a nacho the other day.

Anecdotes are fun. But to your credit, you did admit that it's your particular field of perception. In Canada. In Montreal.
 
I saw this. I saw that.

I saw Elvis in a nacho the other day.

Anecdotes are fun.

Here is the problem with you and other fanboys (Apple, Android, Oranges, Monkeys, Ford, etc).

You only see what you want to see, facts becomes distorted to the way you appreciate it and love it. For you Android does not represent high end phones but crap like phones that are not even sold where you live.

Anything that gives a portrait for your beloved company does not exist and for other competing companies, only bad images will enter your head.
 
You only see what you want to see, facts becomes distorted to the way you appreciate it and love it. For you Android does not represent high end phones but crap like phones that are not even sold where you live.

No, it represents them all. That's the problem. That's what you need to take into account when you look at share numbers. What do they consist of?

In fact, the cheap Android devices are abundant enough that we get this piece of news all over the web:

http://www.neowin.net/news/cheap-android-devices-are-expensive-to-carriers

Fact:

http://www.digitimes.com/Reports/Report.asp?datepublish=2011/4/18&pages=RS&seq=400

ZTE's share shot up by a massive 57.9 percent recently, putting the company into fourth place. And they're known for their ********* products.

Where I live makes no difference. These facts have nothing to do with where anyone lives or what you and I see personally (which is also irrelevant.)
 
(Just like the Mac, remember AutoCad was just recently available again, but Mac Fanboys were always trying to tell you that "Uncle Joe's Cad" was "just as good".

If your a designer not an engineer then "Uncle Joe's Cad" is better?
So much better AD had to buy Revit to try catch up and from designer perspective Uncle Joe still does a better product. That said there are more Engineers than Designers and AC does really suit those guys which the only reason it dominates "Marketshare".
 
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No, it represents them all. That's the problem. That's what you need to take into account when you look at share numbers. What do they consist of?

In fact, the cheap Android devices are abundant enough that we get this piece of news all over the web:

http://www.neowin.net/news/cheap-android-devices-are-expensive-to-carriers

Fact:

http://www.digitimes.com/Reports/Report.asp?datepublish=2011/4/18&pages=RS&seq=400

ZTE's share shot up by a massive 57.9 percent recently, putting the company into fourth place. And they're known for their ********* products.

Where I live makes no difference. These facts have nothing to do with where anyone lives or what you and I see personally (which is also irrelevant.)

I cannot access the full article for your second link but here is one of the charts they presented

Chart 8: Low-priced models account for tiny proportion of 2010 Android phone shipments

All the charts here prove that Pantech/No name brands do not hold an important market share:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-and-apple-marketshare-versus-profit/

Once again, you prove yourself that you see only what you can to see, carefully choosing articles that demonstrates your views without opening yourself to other possible alternatives.

And who says Pantech is known to only make ********* products... Once again, only your opinion. Only what you want to believe because your thoughts cannot go beyond the fact that other companies can also make good products.

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Don't you dare compare me to those dirty orange lovers. Who wants a fruit where you can't eat the skin? NOBODY!

Well not to shoot you down but it is very common to see people eat orange skin :D
 
Don't bother with *LTD*.

He's just pissed that the latest sales figures prove that Android is more innovative than iOS (by his own standards).
 
I cannot access the full article for your second link but here is one of the charts they presented

Chart 8: Low-priced models account for tiny proportion of 2010 Android phone shipments

All the charts here prove that Pantech/No name brands do not hold an important market share:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/android-and-apple-marketshare-versus-profit/

Once again, you prove yourself that you see only what you can to see, carefully choosing articles that demonstrates your views without opening yourself to other possible alternatives.

And who says Pantech is known to only make ********* products... Once again, only your opinion. Only what you want to believe because your thoughts cannot go beyond the fact that other companies can also make good products.
:D


It was bound to happen.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.androidauthority.com/cheap-smartphones-to-dominate-the-mobile-market-31335/

Cheap Smartphones To Dominate The Mobile Market

For quite a while now, the mobile phone market has seen trends in new features and sassy designs. Of course, this often came with hefty price tags that people were willing to shell out just to have the latest smartphone model. Today, telecom operators in Taipei are beginning to come up with more affordable smartphones that many of us will gladly welcome.

With lots of people are still very much interested in owning a smartphone, new models that are priced less than USD 333 or NTD 10,000 are expected to come out and do well. It has been reported that Chunghwa Telecom Co is about to team up with HTC Corp to launch an affordable smartphone sometime next week. Chunghwa Telecom has already been offering bargain smartphone models from HTC, Samsung Electronics, and Huawei Technology. Over the past few months, it has already been taking enormous steps toward this direction and market.

Last August, Huawei IDEOS XI, running on Android 2.2, was launched by Taiwan’s Huawei Technology and Far EasTone Telecommunications Co Ltd. Priced at less than NTD 5,000 (USD 166), the bargain model targets consumers who want to use their phones for Internet but are not willing to spend 5 or 6 times more.

One month after, Taiwan mobile Co launched the Fantastic T3 that boasts of a 4.3 inch touch panel just like the one found in the most popular smartphones today. Moreover, its features become more seemingly impressive with the fact that it is 50% cheaper than most of the models in its category.

All in all, the bargain models forecast implies that the market for these phones will continue to rise. Expensive smartphones may still be considered as the mainstream in the market today, but, come next year, its market is going to decline, resulting to the already rising demand for more affordable smartphone models.

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This is about a) the proliferation of cheap Android phones from the fly-by-night OEMs like Pantech or whatever, and b) the creation of "bargain" phones by the major players.

I'm not sure what's worse, an Android device from a Junkbox maker, or a junk Android device by a major brand.

Pick your poison.

ZTE is already well on the way.

http://www.digitimes.com/Reports/Report.asp?datepublish=2011/4/18&pages=RS&seq=400

The third-worldification of Android.
 
It was bound to happen.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

http://www.androidauthority.com/cheap-smartphones-to-dominate-the-mobile-market-31335/

Cheap Smartphones To Dominate The Mobile Market

For quite a while now, the mobile phone market has seen trends in new features and sassy designs. Of course, this often came with hefty price tags that people were willing to shell out just to have the latest smartphone model. Today, telecom operators in Taipei are beginning to come up with more affordable smartphones that many of us will gladly welcome.

With lots of people are still very much interested in owning a smartphone, new models that are priced less than USD 333 or NTD 10,000 are expected to come out and do well. It has been reported that Chunghwa Telecom Co is about to team up with HTC Corp to launch an affordable smartphone sometime next week. Chunghwa Telecom has already been offering bargain smartphone models from HTC, Samsung Electronics, and Huawei Technology. Over the past few months, it has already been taking enormous steps toward this direction and market.

Last August, Huawei IDEOS XI, running on Android 2.2, was launched by Taiwan’s Huawei Technology and Far EasTone Telecommunications Co Ltd. Priced at less than NTD 5,000 (USD 166), the bargain model targets consumers who want to use their phones for Internet but are not willing to spend 5 or 6 times more.

One month after, Taiwan mobile Co launched the Fantastic T3 that boasts of a 4.3 inch touch panel just like the one found in the most popular smartphones today. Moreover, its features become more seemingly impressive with the fact that it is 50% cheaper than most of the models in its category.

All in all, the bargain models forecast implies that the market for these phones will continue to rise. Expensive smartphones may still be considered as the mainstream in the market today, but, come next year, its market is going to decline, resulting to the already rising demand for more affordable smartphone models.

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This is about a) the proliferation of cheap Android phones from the fly-by-night OEMs like Pantech or whatever, and b) the creation of "bargain" phones by the major players.

I'm not sure what's worse, an Android device from a Junkbox maker, or a junk Android device by a major brand.

Pick your poison.

ZTE is already well on the way.

http://www.digitimes.com/Reports/Report.asp?datepublish=2011/4/18&pages=RS&seq=400

Point is, Android is more innovative! They're pushing the boundaries!
 
Don't bother with *LTD*.

He's just pissed that the latest sales figures prove that Android is more innovative than iOS.

Was hoping that maybe one day he would understand that exploring other possibilities is not a sin.

I was a proud owner of an iPhone 4, used an HTC phone after due to my disappointment on the the 4S. Then realized how much I missed having a keyboard and having a phone not die on me at the end of a long day because I play around with it so much so I went back to boring Blackberry. I only use it for communication purposes so all my woes are gone! :D

Not being a fanboy is the best thing ever!

I proudly own:

Windows PC for gaming
Macbook Pro for productivity (No laptop is better in my opinion
iPod Touch for games/music
Blackberry for keyboard and lack of feature!
 
Those marketshare reports always fail to include the iPod and the iPad, which are all part of the iOS ecosystem. If they actually included ALL iOS devices in those studies, the TRUTH would be revealed: that Apple completely dominates & decimates their competition.

Yes because an ipod is almost identical to a cellphone.:rolleyes:
 
Don't bother with *LTD*.

He's just pissed that the latest sales figures prove that Android is more innovative than iOS (by his own standards).

My standards dictate that market share is only to be understood correctly if you look at what's behind the numbers.

Universal licensing a free OS to everyone and their dog is not innovative in the least. It in fact is the very antithesis of innovation. By my standards, of course. Which might be unfairly high. But after all, we're spoiled by Apple.

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Point is, Android is more innovative! They're pushing the boundaries!

If something like that is defined as innovation, then they can keep the market share crown. Google deserves it. LOL
 
My standards dictate that market share is only to be understood correctly if you look at what's behind the numbers.

Universal licensing a free OS to everyone and their dog is not innovative in the least. It in fact is the very antithesis of innovation. By my standards, of course. Which might be unfairly high. But after all, we're spoiled by Apple.

You mean sales are irrelevant because sales can be obtained through both innovative and non-innovative means?!

You're admitting you were wrong!?!?!?!

I think we have MacRumor's next big headline!

*LTD* demonstrates fanboys are irrational and hypocritical and inconsistent.
 
My standards dictate that market share is only to be understood correctly if you look at what's behind the numbers.

Universal licensing a free OS to everyone and their dog is not innovative in the least. It in fact is the very antithesis of innovation. By my standards, of course. Which might be unfairly high. But after all, we're spoiled by Apple.

And just to prove it, he's gonna post THIS PICTURE yet again!

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Mmmm. What's that cooking? Smells like a vertically integrated synergy driven paradigm of innovation! RELEVANT!
 
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