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Android Tops 50% Share of Smartphone Sales, But Apple Still Dominating Profits
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No, they understand the concept quite well. The problem is that PC users have been educated that there is no value. If I go into a store and see three PCs from three manufacturers, and nobody can explain to me what the difference in value is, I buy the cheapest. And manufacturers don't add anything of value, because customers buy the cheapest anyway, and by adding value you can't be cheapest. Apple took ten years to educate people that Apple sells value, but they haven't managed yet to educate 100% of all people. (Of course there will always be many people who prefer cheap to value; there are always budgets and priorities).
BTW. The easiest way to add value is to have a product that looks nice. If I was looking at a laptop for £400 and one for £420, and nobody can explain to me what the difference in value is, then I'm quite willing to pay £420 if it looks £20 nicer.
I disagree.
That no manufacturer is a pillar is one of the fundamental principle of commoditization. At this point, Google could itself replace the products of any manufacturer that drops out of its ecosystem and they will remain at over 50%. They, like their manufacturing partners will make little or no money...they will probably lose money, as I bet their manufacturing partners are. That is why commoditization hurts consumers and only helps the player that controls the unique item.
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Right on! That is the damage done by commoditization. The value is ONLY added by the OS either Windows or Android.
I don't understand, and continue to be baffled, at why anyone who thinks any products other than Apple's are inferior. I have a lot of Apple devices but I also have others as well.
Apple's stuff is well made and works as expected most of the time. I have had crashes on my iPhone, and macs. It's not like they never have glitches.
More importantly, the very closed architecture they tout is also sometimes a pain. If I buy a DVD, I can play it on my iMac, my PC, and a thousand other devices. I buy a movie on iTunes, I have to play it on an Apple device.
I too am glad to see Android gaining in market share. I will continue to buy and support Apple, but I'm not interested in drinking the Kool-Aid. There are other good designers, engineers and coders in the world besides Apple.
I think the competition is great for Apple and others. Hopefully the consumer will win out in the end. Although, the way these lawsuits are going, looks like only the lawyers will be playing with the newest gadgets!
Yet they continue to infiltrate this website and try their hardest to convince us Window PC's and Android are the best.
2.4b Apple vs 4b Google.
SGS2 ~400 EUR, iPhone 620EUR.
There's next to no LTE-coverage in Europe either.
2.4b Apple vs 4b Google.
SGS2 ~400 EUR, iPhone 620EUR.
There's next to no LTE-coverage in Europe either.
But there is HSPA+ (faster than 14Mbps), right?
This, and some of your subsequent posts are outstanding.
Comparing R&D budgets is pretty abstract (not too mention, he simple said Apple spends a "good amount").
The way teams are managed, partnership contributions of resources/infrastructure, etc., all play a role in actual dollars spent, and none of that is important if the R&D isn't producing tangible results that can be repackaged into profitable result.
I disagree.
That's the whole point. These companies are pillars. And if Google REPLACED one of them, they would be a pillar as well.
All of these businesses currently support google. That means they are pillars in google's business model. If google stopped having their support and did NOT replace them - there's be no pillars and Android collapses.
So sorry - again - I think you're wrong.
my wife have ip4, i have 3g/3gs but now i prefer my android phone because it let me do what i need to do faster. while at work i play/pause pandora often, while in the car i wifi-tether my laptop etc. android let me put these setting on the lockscreen. that's my personal choice, but if my mom ask me to get her a phone i would get her an iphone. pick whatever that let want to do faster and easier, they're all excellent phones. here's the screenshot of my lockscreen
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It is, apparently. I think you two, and others, need to be more cognizant of where you money is going when you hand your credit card to Apple.
http://gizmodo.com/5486798/research-and-development-apple-vs-microsoft-vs-sony
Who says that Apple is overcharging? There are a couple of smartphones that cost the same as the iPhone. Also the laws of Supply and Demand apply here. If Apple can't produce enough phones to sell at their current price point, why in the world would they lower the price? There is no known reason to do so. On top of that can anyone name a company utilizing android that writes their software and produces the hardware? Can anyone name a Computer manufacturing company that writes their own software and builds/designs their own hardware. Oh yeah and makes a couple of chips for their products too? Also this huge warchest that people are so upset about. "Apple should spend it on this or that. Are you aware that over $50 billion of that is overseas? Or the fact that bringing it back to the US causes a tax hit of about 35%. Neither Androind or iOS is perfect. No company utilizing either OS is perfect. They all have pluses and minuses and any saying that either one is complete crap is simply close-minded. Anyways /End Rant
More considered and rational people would suggest it was exploitation of at least 2 of the groups involved.
Don't really care what their market share is. As long as Apple still makes iPhone that's fine with me, it's the only phone I'll ever use.
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Shocked to see Microsoft beaten by Bada again. I was hoping for WP7 to gain some traction. Nokia has a lot to do to turn things around for MS.
Impressive figures for Android but it was during Apple's lull with the 4s delay. Q4 should be a different picture with some Nokia/WP7 numbers and 4s lumped into Apple's share.
Interesting times ahead for Google. The heat is on.
Shocked to see Microsoft beaten by Bada again. I was hoping for WP7 to gain some traction. Nokia has a lot to do to turn things around for MS.
Impressive figures for Android but it was during Apple's lull with the 4s delay. Q4 should be a different picture with some Nokia/WP7 numbers and 4s lumped into Apple's share.
Interesting times ahead for Google. The heat is on.
I cannot believe you just said that!
Siri will be revolutionary, right now Siri is only in beta, but she has already done so much.
I absolutely cannot live without Siri, that one day a couple weeks when Siri was not working was pretty awful.
I probably send 100-200 texts a day using nothing but Siri, never looking at my phone.
I cannot even begin to describe how crucial of a role Siri plays in my everyday life.
About 3 weeks ago, Siri was responsible for preventing one of my best friends from being raped.
My post will not be even close to describe how much Siri has helped me.
And Apple is planning continuing to add more features into Siri to make her even more capable, and hackers are also making Siri more capable!
In one of the iOS betas there was unused code that will one day be used for Siri to call 911 in a car accident and tell them your address and GPS location.
I strongly recommend you take back that comment.
Advertising audience size. Benefits Google in gathering data on their customers to sell to advertisers, and for lots of developers making apps with annoying ads.
There is no overpaying.
If customers thought that some Apple product wasn't more beneficial to them than the $$$ that was in their wallet or in their bank account, they could return it within a few days for a refund. But the return rates and the customer satisfaction ratings say the opposite, that the Apple product most people purchased was more beneficial to these customers than either the money back in their pocket, or than the competitor's offerings.
What's embarrassing about offering people something more valuable to them than $1000 or so in their pocket?
Yup. And the carbon atoms inside a bag of BBQ briquettes and inside some sparkly things at Walmart or at Tiffany's are exactly the same. But people pay more for sparkly stuff from Tiffany's (husbands near certain anniversary dates if they know what's good for them). The chicken in McD's nuggets and the white tablecloth restaurant with great service might have come from the same farm. Certain mid-range car models also have the exact same engines as the luxury model, but many customers pay a lot more for the quieter one with the better fit and finish. Same with Apple.
Or would you prefer a world where some tyrant decided that everyone should drive Lada's?
You clearly haven't read my posts.
Anyone can flood the market via the universally-licensed OS + OEM route.
Look at what you're getting. Its a banana-boat. Everyone gets to ride, junk or not.
Yet, with the Apple business model, THIS is what you're getting (for everyone, each and every time):
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/09/0...rankings-of-smartphone-consumer-satisfaction/
Google was "innovative" in that they thought it might be a good idea to jump on the Universal Licensing train before anyone else. That's all that actually happened. Whoring out a free OS (and you can really tell it's free!) to anyone and their dog who can slam together a box will get you plenty of sales, irrespective of quality, user experience, or differentiation (in this case, non-differentiation.)
It's the Wintel strategy. There's nothing new about it. Most of us remember what drove us to Macs in the first place.
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Actually it's you that's not reading your posts because you constantly contradict yourself or you merely move goalposts to prove your point.
Yawn.
sure...
Sure... if I produce a smartphone and give it to people for free then yeah, I will also dominate in market share.
Here's a question. If you are an accountant, which would you prefer, market share? or profits?
imo, It's the money that counts.
Beyond that, I use both Android AND iOS everyday and my iOS smartphone (iPhone 4S) absolutely kills in the user experience department.
nuff said
Sure... if I produce a smartphone and give it to people for free then yeah, I will also dominate in market share.
Here's a question. If you are an accountant, which would you prefer, market share? or profits?
imo, It's the money that counts.
Beyond that, I use both Android AND iOS everyday and my iOS smartphone (iPhone 4S) absolutely kills in the user experience department.
nuff said