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Brilliant ! You can all thank her for a £999 iPhone.... bargain compared to high end watch bands ;)

I don't think she was a good hire , she brought a different way of thinking to apple, that they should charge more , and fashion was more important than tech innovation.

Maybe you weren't around when Apple computers cost as much as 200-300% of their Windows PC counterparts. Apple has never been about cheap products. You pay for good design, you pay for the complete ecosystem. Don't like it? There are cheap — literally cheap in every sense — alternatives out there in the Android world.
 
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Maybe you weren't around when Apple computers cost as much as 200-300% of their Windows PC counterparts. Apple has never been about cheap products. You pay for good design, you pay for the complete ecosystem. Don't like it? There are cheap — literally cheap in every sense — alternatives out there in the Android world.

I was around . And you cannot compare cheap windows machines to macs .

What changes is others started building top end machine also that were also about style and not ugly gaming laptops

And even when they were 200-300% they were worth it

Today's £4K MacBook Pro...... hell no. What a ripoff . They are not cheap..... not cheap at all. Prices go up and we get less and less each version
 
Angela Ahrendts guided Apple retail in a direction that will make more sense as computers that have already moved from our desks and briefcases to our pockets, go on to move from our pockets to our wrists, our face, head and ears and our clothes.

Apple has always been about excellence in design and has — at least since the iPod with its now ubiquitous white earbuds — become a fashion statement. Angela Ahrendts is the perfect hire and it'll only become clearer the longer she's in the role and the more of her influence on Apple we see.
 
No. They haven't. But even fanboys can see that Apple's pricing is completely ridiculous these days. They're utterly delusional and it gets worse every year.

Spot on. I just don't see value anymore, especially Ad apple does not care about computers . It's all idevices
 
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Angela Ahrendts guided Apple retail in a direction that will make more sense as computers that have already moved from our desks and briefcases to our pockets, go on to move from our pockets to our wrists, our face, head and ears and our clothes.

Apple has always been about excellence in design and has — at least since the iPod with its now ubiquitous white earbuds — become a fashion statement. Angela Ahrendts is the perfect hire and it'll only become clearer the longer she's in the role and the more of her influence on Apple we see.


She has no input at all in terms of designing products. Her degree was in marketing and she has never worked at a technology company before. She was brought in partly to appease extreme feminists who are obsessed with the number of women on company boards and partly because she has a background in overpriced luxury clothes which is an area that has profit margins that make Cook start sweating and is everything that Apple was not supposed to be.

Your other comments about the costs also seem wide of the mark. Jobs was never about the money, never. Jobs was driven by other goals. He wasn't perfect but money clearly wasn't his aim. At any point in the last half of his second stint leading Apple he could have stuck 10% on the price of iPods and iPhones and still sold more than they could make. He could have made millions simply by allowing companies to put their software on macs and iPods as standard - he refused every single time. Now we can debate whether that's a good idea or not and Cook is testing that to destruction when you look at the new prices and the things done to Mac Minis and Mac Pros etc even sometimes increasing prices for products that were a year or two old. But Cook is making money faster than Jobs ever did. People used to joke that Apple could do that and well now we are seeing it was no joke.

We can argue about whether Angela is a bad influence or merely window dressing but to say that she is the "perfect hire" is strange, she is the very worst example of everything wrong with modern corporate culture. She hasn't come up with a single product or idea that means anything. Town squares? Please. Yet every time anyone points out the absurdity of her taking tens of millions of dollars in pay people pop up on here to defend her. To people on her pay everyone reading this board is just a peasant yet people defend her. Is it just feminist thinking? Or is there something else?
 
This woman is responsible for such fashion ideas like 3D Touch, Face ID, A11 chip which has fewer cores than Samsung's mighty beast that DESTROYS iPhone X's weak CPU. Apple's new industrial design using new series of aluminum and new glass and stainless steel are all stupid decisions. We need real innovation like split screen view on a phone so I can watch YouTube while doing very important things because I am a very important person who needs split screen view on a phone.

I'm sure she's the genius who decided Apple should make its own GPUs. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
 
This woman is responsible for such fashion ideas like 3D Touch, Face ID, A11 chip which has fewer cores than Samsung's mighty beast that DESTROYS iPhone X's weak CPU. Apple's new industrial design using new series of aluminum and new glass and stainless steel are all stupid decisions. We need real innovation like split screen view on a phone so I can watch YouTube while doing very important things because I am a very important person who needs split screen view on a phone.

I'm sure she's the genius who decided Apple should make its own GPUs. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

She had zero input in decisions about the 3d touch, the cpu, face ID etc - absolutely zero. Apple has many of the finest engineers in the world; they don't ask the person with a degree in marketing what is the best configuration for a cpu.

She has decided that the wooden desks in the shops should be a lighter colour, that the glass entrances should have more glass and that the shops should be rebranded as Town Squares.

So yes Apple has done plenty right over recent years but it's hard to see how any of it is related to Angela or how she merits $70 million per year.
 
This hits the nail on the head. Steve himself was quite obsessed with studying corporate history and in particular there are a few videos floating around of him talking about Xerox and how they had such tremendous success that within the company it became sales and marketing people who made the money and got promoted and product people got pushed aside. I think that dynamic is part and parcel of successful companies, it's why they ALL rise and fall.

The funny thing about the history of Apple is people look back and they see success under Jobs and failure in between. Well, the reality was quite different. Apple made huge profits after Steve left the first time for quite a few years - bigger profits than they had when Jobs was there. And they have made even bigger profits after his death.

Steve was an obsessive perfectionist not a normal businessman. Cook is far more pragmatic. Cook makes a lot more money than Steve did. I'll give two contrasting examples. Mere weeks before the launch of the iPhone Jobs decided the screen had to change from plastic to glass. This was obviously a huge change and cost a fortune but he realised it was necessary. You can read more here: http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-new-iphone-screen-2012-1?IR=T

No way that Cook - or almost any other business leader - would have taken such a risk so late in the day.

Cook is I suspect a great guy for squeezing money out of supply chains. He is less good when it comes to vision but he really grasps the costs of factories and the use of economies of scale. Making the iPhone SE from the 5 body was a very shrewd move. But, honestly, would Steve have been happy to re-use old technology that way? I doubt it - he would have pushed relentlessly for improvement. But he would have made less money than Cook. Many people were perplexed that the red iPhone 7 had a silver ring around the home button and not a matching colour. The rumour is that they had an excess supply of silver ones so used that. Who knows how many cents that saved per unit but when you're shipping millions that all adds up. Again, something that Jobs wouldn't have even considered. Another example was Cook allowing U2 to pay a large amount of money and then putting that album of theirs onto every iPhone - year after year Jobs refused such offers no matter how much money was dangled in front of him.

Ultimately I don't have a lot of hate for Cook as many do - he is doing what any accountant would do in his position and milking the Apple brand for everything it is worth. Jobs was a once in a generation type. Many of us dislike Bill Gates but it was the same story there - he was the driving force of the company and left and put Ballmer in charge. Ballmer and Cook are both intelligent men, different characters, but money men who are hard headed and exploit every penny they can. We can't expect to have a new Jobs every single time sadly. Ultimately it will probably hollow out some of the Apple magic, they are clearly these days driven mostly by money and becoming more of a luxury brand and no longer quite what they were, as you describe, a company dedicated to great products and design with no compromise. Being optimistic I hope that at lest Cook has managed to build up a lot of money and this gives Apple a lot of breathing space and there might yet be someone more visionary to take over one day.
I will say this is the most thoughtful and analyzed reply I have read here. It also made me sad about the future of Apple. History repeats itself and I bet it will here too.

I will sum up the whole thing one line: apple was Jobs' baby, cook is a mere employee of Apple. And that gives you the stark difference of motivation towards the company.
 
I will say this is the most thoughtful and analyzed reply I have read here. It also made me sad about the future of Apple. History repeats itself and I bet it will here too.

I will sum up the whole thing one line: apple was Jobs' baby, cook is a mere employee of Apple. And that gives you the stark difference of motivation towards the company.

Thanks. And I do try to remain optimistic. I wasn't old enough to be into Apple in the 80s but in the 90s when I got into computers I found there was still enough magic DNA in Apple's computers, even at their lowest point, to make them special. And today that DNA remains very strong, the products are wonderful, even if many of us who are long term apple users are seeing some changes that are troubling.

Nothing lasts forever and the history of business suggests that it's very likely in 50 years or maybe sooner Apple might be gone or changed into something else. Nobody can really say. However Jobs was always adamant that it was the engineers at Apple who had that special DNA. Some of that was modesty but mostly it was true.

He divides opinion but look at Jony Ive. I am fairly confident that if you offered him a choice between higher profits or selling a device without compromising his vision, he leans towards the latter. And that is rare in business. I hope over the long term such engineers can find a way to the top at Apple.
 
She had zero input in decisions about the 3d touch, the cpu, face ID etc - absolutely zero. Apple has many of the finest engineers in the world; they don't ask the person with a degree in marketing what is the best configuration for a cpu.

She has decided that the wooden desks in the shops should be a lighter colour, that the glass entrances should have more glass and that the shops should be rebranded as Town Squares.

So yes Apple has done plenty right over recent years but it's hard to see how any of it is related to Angela or how she merits $70 million per year.

You might probably be aware that it was actually Jony Ive who worked closely with Angela on the store designs. So it begs the question of who has the most influence on the design aspects of things by way of input. I think she's getting feedback from Jony and then relaying it to her exec team ( Cook, Cue, et al ) to get everyone on the same page.
 
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Congratulations to her. This thread is amusing.

Does anyone know how you're supposed to pronounce her surname?


Edit: Just read her Wiki entry. She met her husband when they were in grade school. Sounds adorable. Meanwhile, today's younger generations meet each other with apps.
 
Mere weeks before the launch of the iPhone Jobs decided the screen had to change from plastic to glass. This was obviously a huge change and cost a fortune but he realised it was necessary.

First off, Jobs did not decide on glass just a few weeks before launch. On the contrary, it's well known that he had gone to Corning months before that to convince its CEO to mass produce Gorilla glass for the iPhone.

Now it is apparently true that the glass (or glass cutting) wasn't ready until just before sales launch. So yes, Jobs took a chance that GG would be ready in time, but then he always had plastic to fall back on.

No way that Cook - or almost any other business leader - would have taken such a risk so late in the day.

Apparently Cook took a much bigger chance this year, betting on getting in-display TouchId working in time for the iPhone X.

When it wasn't, he swiveled and threw all his chips behind FaceId instead. If so, then to me, that'd be a bigger example of risk taking than the plastic-vs-glass thing. (And I'm not a Cook fan at all.).
 
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Knew this would be a triggerfest when I read the headline, and was not disappointed.

Lots of hate for a successful woman on display; caused some to realize their own shortcomings, I guess.
Quite interesting how they're trying their best to belittle her, isn't it. Apparently she's to blame for everything, but at the same time she has done nothing at all and is an SVP 'because of an agenda'.
 
But even fanboys can see that Apple's pricing is completely ridiculous these days. They're utterly delusional ...

What's Utterly Delusional is the above quote.

Obviously from someone who hasn't read a lot of P&L statements and seen that most aren't anywhere near as good as Apple's. Almost every other company, from mom&pop to fortune 500 biggies, wish they had products that could fetch such "delusional ridiculous pricing" to get anywhere near the same kind of P&L reports as Apple's. How many billions in profits has your "more reasonable" pricing model put in your bank account, year after year?
 
What's Utterly Delusional is the above quote.

Obviously from someone who hasn't read a lot of P&L statements and seen that most aren't anywhere near as good as Apple's. Almost every other company, from mom&pop to fortune 500 biggies, wish they had products that could fetch such "delusional ridiculous pricing" to get anywhere near the same kind of P&L reports as Apple's. How many billions in profits has your "more reasonable" pricing model put in your bank account, year after year?

Stop justifying Apple.
 
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