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Another Boeing 737 Max crash
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Eastar Jet grounded the MAX.
Australia and Singapore banned it.
Australia and Singapore banned it.
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I don't mean this to be incendiary, but I do wonder if the European countries have banned it would be so quick to ban an aircraft model if it were an Airbus? (And similarly, the FAA haven't moved to have them grounded yet, that I'm aware of) I know that SHOULD have no bearing whatsoever on safety decisions. But I'm not sure there's enough information yet to state with any confidence there are systematic problems with the plane.
Not that I'd be very confident flying tomorrow if I learned it was a Max. But, public perception is pretty orthogonal to actual safety.
Not that I'd be very confident flying tomorrow if I learned it was a Max. But, public perception is pretty orthogonal to actual safety.
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Solely because Britain banned them from their airspace - that, and the comment sections in my local online newspapers have been furious with Icelandair wanting to use them; which they are now telling they won't use them but in all news articles seem extremely eager to use them despite the risk, as can be read about in the two articles I'll link to below:
The headline in this Icelandic news article reads "Still have full faith in the airplanes" - here's an article in English about it
Luckily there are quite a few airlines flying to and from Iceland, because Icelandair just lost a customer.
We've heard nothing yet that the MCAS was a factor in this crash. On the Ethiopian pilot website, it seems to say that the minimum requirements for pilots (copilots) if trained from zero time are....
- Commercial Pilot Licence with Instrument and Multi Engine Rating 18-20 months
It's possible to get the above ratings in as little as 250 hours. Certainly I doubt very much that the copilot on this flight had only 200 hours. More likely he had 200 hours on the Max or another Ethiopian plane althought the first reports are very vague.
In aviation history dating back to the 60's, there were a lot of copilots hired by US airlines with only 250-500 hours. Strictly supply and demand. By the 70's, with lower demand, new hire pilots probably had more time and a good chance some had an ATP rating as well.
IMO, one of the paths to the "left seat" was lost with when the requirement for the Flight Engineer position was done away with, starting with the 757/767. Most new pilots before that started as flight engineer and gained valuable cockpit experience just observing the cockpit operation. Then, within a year or so, they transistioned to the copilot position.
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Everything about Lion Air screams of lack of training in the new Max.
Boeing change a function of the Auto Pilot to improve safety, but the company only looked at it as yet another 737 (ignoring the key differences). SO they dropped a pair or pilots with very little training on a new system.
Evidence: CVR and FDR show the pilot was fighting the AP for control.
Airbus also had major fatal crashes because of its AP overriding pilot control.
It is very tragic, but I predict in the end it was the air lines, those who probably could not afford the correct level of training on the new systems, putting pilots not fully aware of the changes in command. (although typically the pilot is blamed).
Not banned, grounded.
Now, I wonder who ordered this grounding since the FAA was saying they found nothing to cause concern.
I suspect #45 did, to get brownie points with base....
Now THIS part is very interesting:
This is a HUGE loss to industrial might of America aviation industry.
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Banned over US territory and grounded for US airlines, similar to the bans by other countries.
Copa and Mauritania Airlines grounded it.
So it is temporarily shutting down worldwide.
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