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From the creators of the iPad, the iPad 2, the iPad with retina display, the iPad mini, the iPad Air, the iPad Air 2, now introducing The iPad Pro 1 with retina display!
 
Weird seeing Apple follow microsofts lead. Usually the other way around.

When the large iPad is released, you'll know who follows whom. If you think this's just another iPad, but larger, you'll be surprised. Let's see w over 100 enterprise apps by IBM+ Apple exclusive to this iPad, who will be a leader huh.
 
Seeing as the A8X both CPU wise and GPU wise is not far off a current gen MacBook Air, I'd expect a generational jump coupled along with this larger device footprint capable of a larger heat sink to be on par with a dual core, entry level MacBook Pro retina in terms of benchmarks.

1811/4488
2468/4586
2593/5333

That first set of numbers needs to beat that third in my opinion. >_>
 
1811/4488
2468/4586
2593/5333

That first set of numbers needs to beat that third in my opinion. >_>

Considering the current low clock, cooling, memory interface of the A8X (and not sure what 20 nm process they use, probably high performance), the hypothetical A9X (or whatever its called), could be a blast especially if they used the latest powervr GPU (the one they anounded late last year).

For 99.9% of current Ipad apps (and all non pro Mac apps), too much power... But, is there such a thing as too much power ;-).
 
Yes it's unimaginative to have a 12 inch iPad when you are going to have a 12 inch MBA. Weren't people on this very board ridiculing Samsung last year when their Galaxy Tab Pro came out? I'm not saying there aren't people who wouldn't derive some use from a 12 inch iPad.

I'm saying it's stupid to have BOTH a 12 inch iPad Pro and MBA Air in the same product line up. It's fine (I guess) to have one or the other in the line up but having both is just asinine.

All things being "equal" what idiot would get an iPad Pro over a MBA?

They won't be equal. They will be separate products for separate audiences. Some people don't need a computer as powerful as a MBA and a larger tablet would suit them better for simple Internet browsing and email use. Others would like the touch interface for photo editing and other forms of digital art. I must admit after trying it myself I think that editing a complex image or sketching an image on a retina iPad feels far more natural than on a MacBook. If Apple were to add better stylus support a larger iPad could take the art world by storm.

Meanwhile a rMBA would be better suited to touch typists, those that want to run traditional OSX applications, students taking notes, and people who just simply feel more at home with a laptop rather than a tablet.

The iPad Air 2 with the A8X is far more powerful than it needs to be to run the majority of the apps in the App Store anyway. An even more powerful larger screen iPad running on either a higher clocked A8X or an A9 would be powerful enough for most people's needs. Compare the Geekbench scores for the iPad Air 2 against those for the MBA. They aren't that far apart, and the gap is getting smaller with every new A-series release. My girlfriend's iPad Air 2 makes my 2008 model MacBook look stupid for most tasks.

That's before we mention price. All things won't be equal here if this is an iOS device. Let's face it, a larger iPad probably won't run OSX. As an iOS device it will probably follow the iOS pricing structure and start at £499/$599 for a 16GB/32GB model. That's quite a bit cheaper than the current MBA, and probably a tempting option for those after a larger screen Apple device for simple daily computer tasks.

All things being equal each user will pick the device that's best suited to them. Doesn't mean they will be an idiot if they pick the iPad over the MacBook. Some people already use iPads as their sole computer, in fact I now that I think about it I don't think my girlfriend has used the MacBook once since she got her iPad.
 
iPad Pro = Merge of iOS and OS X

how about this for a thought:

  • what if the new category of devices (as described by T.Cook) is a merged product of iOS and OS X, making the switch between iOS and OS X as painless and transparent to the user as we know that Apple can do this

  • I've read in a number of Apple related tech forums that a larger iPad doesn't make sense, there just is no market open. Although we've been wrong before

  • It would bring touch capability to the desktop

  • its footprint remains smaller and more portable than that of a Macbook Air
 
I would jump at a larger screened iPad. I use my iPad all the time for reading sheet music and it's almost perfect for it, just sometimes it can seem a little on the small side. A bigger screen would be ideal.
 

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Considering the current low clock, cooling, memory interface of the A8X (and not sure what 20 nm process they use, probably high performance), the hypothetical A9X (or whatever its called), could be a blast especially if they used the latest powervr GPU (the one they anounded late last year).

For 99.9% of current Ipad apps (and all non pro Mac apps), too much power... But, is there such a thing as too much power ;-).

Well, yes, the way it is right now even the current processor is too much. Nothing will bog down the new iPad that I've seen.
 
I know people want more than just a larger screen, but I'm hoping that "more" will be at least partially software, so iPad Air 2 users get in on the action.
 
I'm more interested in what's under the hood, since there seems to be a bit of confusion over the OS. Will it be iOS or OSX? Some people thing because of the Pro moniker that it will be running OSX, similar to like Microsoft's Surface Pro
 
I was strongly under the impression that Apple doesn't share design specs etc with third parties until they publicly announce products.

So for me, this is simply a case of a company making a certain sized iPad case on the hope a larger version comes out!
 
I was strongly under the impression that Apple doesn't share design specs etc with third parties until they publicly announce products.
Actually they do. They send prototypes to certain case makers, which is why on release day you can buy a case from some makers. Also Apple sends the specs out to manufacturing and those makers sometimes leak the images.
 
How about the "idiot" who wants touch input, say for artistic purposes or handwriting recognition? with devices like the SP3 and other hybrids, I dont see why so many people are having difficulty imagining the audience for this. That said, if it ends up simply being an enlarged iPad, then I dont see the utility in it.

I'm not saying there isn't an audience - there's an audience for just about any dumb device, I'm just saying that audience would be so incredibly small that I don't understand the point of wasting time on it. And yes, it'll just be a larger iPad.

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That's before we mention price. All things won't be equal here if this is an iOS device. Let's face it, a larger iPad probably won't run OSX. As an iOS device it will probably follow the iOS pricing structure and start at £499/$599 for a 16GB/32GB model. That's quite a bit cheaper than the current MBA, and probably a tempting option for those after a larger screen Apple device for simple daily computer tasks.

All things being equal each user will pick the device that's best suited to them. Doesn't mean they will be an idiot if they pick the iPad over the MacBook. Some people already use iPads as their sole computer, in fact I now that I think about it I don't think my girlfriend has used the MacBook once since she got her iPad.

Well reasoned arguments until you got to the price. I paid $1,000 for an 128 GB iPad Air because when I purchase something, I'll always buy the top of the line - a decision I dearly regret to this day. Because I would have been happier I suppose with the gimped entry level MBA.

With that said, yeah there will always be some people who would prefer the iPad over a computer that you can actually work on. But I'm willing to bet there isn't a large market for it. But then I think the idea of a 12 Inch MBA is stupid when you have an 11 and 13 inch model. I just don't understand what the hell Apple is doing anymore.

Even though resources isn't an issue for Apple, I do think FOCUS is and I'd rather see them focusing on things like actually releasing an updated AppleTV, bug fixing, releasing a decent MacMini, etc. Not stupid crap like this. But that's just me.
 
The OS needs updating for iPad and not just a blown up phone OS. Until that's done who really cares about the specs or how thin it is, your old one will still do everything the new one does - and that's a large reason for why the iPad sales are falling.

True, and the fact that the market is becoming more saturated with tablets. And, users aren't driven to upgrade their iPads every 2 years like iPhone owners are. My iPad 3 still runs great, so I have little reason to upgrade. Although, I may be very tempted to replace it with the larger iPad Pro.
 
Oh you mean like that other company makes now?

Yup. Apple is very seldom the first. They see what people actually buy, not what they say they want, then add a better implementation of the feature on their products. They learned their lesson when people said they wanted a cheaper iPhone, then refused to purchase a 5c.
 
Well reasoned arguments until you got to the price. I paid $1,000 for an 128 GB iPad Air because when I purchase something, I'll always buy the top of the line - a decision I dearly regret to this day. Because I would have been happier I suppose with the gimped entry level MBA.

With that said, yeah there will always be some people who would prefer the iPad over a computer that you can actually work on. But I'm willing to bet there isn't a large market for it. But then I think the idea of a 12 Inch MBA is stupid when you have an 11 and 13 inch model. I just don't understand what the hell Apple is doing anymore.

Even though resources isn't an issue for Apple, I do think FOCUS is and I'd rather see them focusing on things like actually releasing an updated AppleTV, bug fixing, releasing a decent MacMini, etc. Not stupid crap like this. But that's just me.

The price I stated was a guess at the entry-level price for a possible Wi-Fi only version. If you decide to always buy the top of the range model that doesn't make my points any less well reasoned. Also the entry-level MacBook Air is in no way 'gimped'. It's an entry level product for those that don't need anything more powerful.

Some people do 'actual work' on iPads everyday. PCs, all-in-ones, and laptops aren't always the best piece of tech for the job. I imagine there's a larger market for a 12" iPad than you believe.

If the 12" rMBA is released it will most likely be a product aimed at eventually replacing both the 13" and 11" MBA models. Providing a more ultra-portable product than the already thin rMBP. Doesn't seem stupid to me, in fact it makes quite a bit of sense as a way forward. One rMBA size and two rMBP sizes. Less models than we have now.

Focus isn't a problem for Apple. They're just focusing on new products that they want to sell, not the products you want them to sell.

Saying that a new Apple TV will be released when they have a product worth releasing. It's no longer a hobby product in a category on its own. The next iOS and OSX versions are rumored to be all about fixing bugs and smoothing out the user experience. Apple has repositioned the Mac Mini as the entry-level product it was originally meant to be. OSX for £399 is an amazing price, and the higher spec models are as powerful as the 13" rMBP. Seems like a decent Mac Mini to me.
 
I'm more interested in what's under the hood, since there seems to be a bit of confusion over the OS. Will it be iOS or OSX? Some people thing because of the Pro moniker that it will be running OSX, similar to like Microsoft's Surface Pro
I can see some people thinking that.

I think that any mythical iPad Pro will be iOS-based for the near future but may eventually run OSX. The first iteration might simply contain support for BT mice, larger screen, and active digitizer.... maybe even an optional keyboard accessory.

I'm itching for a new device but I'm waiting to see what if anything Apple does along these lines. If nothing is forthcoming, I'll probably get a Surface Pro 3 or a Lenovo Miix2.
 
I would jump at a larger screened iPad. I use my iPad all the time for reading sheet music and it's almost perfect for it, just sometimes it can seem a little on the small side. A bigger screen would be ideal.

I find I have to use half page turns on the iPad air. With a pro you could use a full page. What is that piece ? Bach ?
 
Just a normal iPad blown up - do not expect fancy ****. Apple knows yoll get excited for anything little **** so all they gonna do is bigger screen, touch id, move the power button to the right, faster cpu and gpu and maaaaayyybbeee a better camera. WOW - INNOVATIVE. Oh and lets not forget the same dumbass layout and spacing of the icons. Dual speakers - NO, USB 3 support - NO, intergrated stylus - NO, customisable UI (besides jailbreaking) - NO, Palm rejection - NO .... ask Samsung if you want these features.
 
I'd like to see the iPad Pro and 12" MBA be the same thing. As in, the screen is actually an iPad. So you have OS X when using the keyboard and iOS when you take the screen off. With handoff and continuity you would have a much more streamlined integration. This way Apple keeps OS X and iOS separate but allows one to use both with a simple detachment of the screen and setup of handoff/continuity. In my opinion that would be the best "business" setup.
I would definitely be interested in a iPad/MBA combo setup.
 
The price I stated was a guess at the entry-level price for a possible Wi-Fi only version. If you decide to always buy the top of the range model that doesn't make my points any less well reasoned. Also the entry-level MacBook Air is in no way 'gimped'. It's an entry level product for those that don't need anything more powerful.

Some people do 'actual work' on iPads everyday. PCs, all-in-ones, and laptops aren't always the best piece of tech for the job. I imagine there's a larger market for a 12" iPad than you believe.

If the 12" rMBA is released it will most likely be a product aimed at eventually replacing both the 13" and 11" MBA models. Providing a more ultra-portable product than the already thin rMBP. Doesn't seem stupid to me, in fact it makes quite a bit of sense as a way forward. One rMBA size and two rMBP sizes. Less models than we have now.

Focus isn't a problem for Apple. They're just focusing on new products that they want to sell, not the products you want them to sell.

Saying that a new Apple TV will be released when they have a product worth releasing. It's no longer a hobby product in a category on its own. The next iOS and OSX versions are rumored to be all about fixing bugs and smoothing out the user experience. Apple has repositioned the Mac Mini as the entry-level product it was originally meant to be. OSX for £399 is an amazing price, and the higher spec models are as powerful as the 13" rMBP. Seems like a decent Mac Mini to me.

"The next iOS and OSX versions are rumored to be all about fixing bugs and smoothing out the user experience. "

This statement is true regarding iOS. I don't think any information has been leaked about the next version of OSX - yet.
 
The form factor looks to be the same as the current iPad, simply larger.

I would love to hear from Apple and even speculation here, what applications and uses this would be suited towards? Would everything we do now be better on this iPad, if we are at home and can have a large device? Or would some applications and uses still be better on Air 2? Or would Air 2 only be needed for a bit more portability?

At this point, it's hard for me to know what would be best for me.

I would use the iPad pro as my goto device if I had one. I liked the mini for use in bed and for general messing around but was never a fan of the "air" sized device. I will def be in for one of these should the be real.
 
I have to agree, what's the point of this?

I'm excited about Surface Pro 3 (don't have one) as I can see the usefulness.

This? I don't go "man, I wish my iPad Air 2 is bigger".

If iPad Pro is something of a SP3 clone, meh. I just don't see it. In this case, I rather have the 12" Retina MBA instead.


it has nothing to do what YOU want.


its for businesses, i know a lot of designers and QC control that would want this.

It'll be great for fit comments and specs
 
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