Another Report Says Second-Generation iPhone X and iPhone X Plus Will Support Apple Pencil

[BvizioN]

You must be one of those Samsung haters that does everything possible to not give Samsung credit for being the innovative company that the industry relies on. Look at the screen on your X and thank your lucky stars Samsung pushed OLED tech to the point where Apple was able to get it at a price that met its greedy standards. Pathetic.
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I am one of these who doesn't like Samsung purely because they are corrupted company, but does give a credit when credit is due. They did not invent the stylus, get over it. And get your facts right, it wasn't the price but quality of OLED that made it possible for the iPhone X. Apple would not put a display that burns like some other companies (you know who) do. Funny you should say about the "cheap"price of OLED displays for Apple, matter of fact Samsung made sure they are priced highest possible for Apple. Why do you think the LCD larger display new iPhone could be significantly cheaper by hundreds of pounds? Because they won't be paying for the overpriced OLED from Samy. Not for long. Others like LG are catching up fast on quality so it won't be for long exclusive business.
By the way, how the crapy sales of S9 going? You must be really on some sort of desperation to troll on Apple site forum and it must be really boring on these Shamy sites! Samsung probably though it will mimic Apple by getting away with just an "S" version of their galaxy thing like Apple does every other year ! Silly rabbit, lol

 

[I7guy]

It wouldn't be the first time that concerns apple are drifting from Jobs vision have been raised on a variety of products.

Steve had some good core philosophies that today drive Apple. But Tim has to do what he has to do while keeping the core of what makes Apple, apple.

 

[Greenmeenie]

Okay, i get Apple wants people to pay up for the OLED iphones...but don’t use the Apple pencil as bait. Shouldn’t the crisper OLED screen be enough of an incentive to upgrade? Why hold the 6.1” LCD screen hostage? And i would argue that most people would prefer to use the Apple pencil on the 6.1” LCD screen over the smaller 5.8” OLED screen of the iphone X. Makes more sense to me.

 

[samarks]

Apple's second-generation iPhone X, and a widely expected 6.5-inch model dubbed the iPhone X Plus, will both be compatible with the Apple Pencil, according to Taiwanese publication Economic Daily News.

Image: EverythingApplePro on YouTube​

The report, citing "industry insiders," claims that Apple Pencil support will be limited to those OLED models, meaning that Apple's upcoming lower-cost 6.1-inch iPhone with an LCD will not work with the drawing tool. Taiwanese research firm TrendForce shared the same prediction earlier this week.

Apple Pencil launched in November 2015 alongside the original 12.9-inch iPad Pro, and it works with all other iPad Pro models released since. Last March, Apple expanded the tool's compatibility to the new sixth-generation iPad, a lower-cost, 9.7-inch model targeted at students and the classroom.

If these rumors prove to be true, this would be the first time Apple releases its own stylus for the iPhone in the device's 11-year history.

When introducing the original iPhone in 2007, Apple's late co-founder Steve Jobs quipped that "nobody wants a stylus" with a smartphone, but Apple has played the semantics game in insisting that the Apple Pencil is a drawing tool. It's also been over a decade since Jobs made that comment--things change.

It's unclear if Apple will release a smaller Pencil for the iPhone, as the current version could be rather unwieldy for use with an iPhone. Apple has yet to update the Pencil's design since it first launched three years ago.

A stylus on a mobile device is nothing new, but only a handful of modern smartphones have one, including the Samsung Galaxy Note with the S Pen, which can be used to draw on the screen, handwrite notes, annotate documents, and more.

Designed to mimic the feel and sensation of using a pen or a pencil, the Apple Pencil has built-in sensors to determine orientation and angle, and to detect a range of forces for pressure-sensitive drawing and writing. On the iPad Pro, the Apple Pencil is sampled at 240Hz for minimal latency.

Apple is expected to unveil a trio of new iPhones at its usual September event at Steve Jobs Theater, and Apple Pencil support would surely be a headline feature if true. A new Apple Pencil altogether is certainly a possibility too.

Article Link: Another Report Says Second-Generation iPhone X and iPhone X Plus Will Support Apple Pencil

[doublepost=1534430581][/doublepost]I am surprised Apple has never supported handwriting recognition on the iPad with pencil. With the (eventual) success of handwriting recognition on the Newton and the purchase of a handwriting recognition company a few years ago, this seemed an obvious feature.

 

[DNichter]

The only thing that excites me here is that this potentially means the OLED models are getting ProMotion. Put me down for an X Plus day one.

 

[Pagemakers]

Oh yea, that white plastic thing that I’ve used once or twice on my iPad Pro in the past couple of years.

The MS and Samsung pens are much more pleasant to use. I’m not a fan of the Apple hard plastic tip.

 

[riverfreak]

Everyone here channeling the tired old Steve Jobs quote about using a stylus seems to forget that he was first and foremost a salesman. He literally had to say that styli were bad because the iPhone didn’t have one, even if it was a deliberate design decision.

While finger based capacitance and multi-touch was a huge step forward, it did and still does not preclude the utility of other input devices. If you can’t imagine what those use cases might be — even on a mobile device — then the option for a stylus isn’t targeted to you.

 

[FFR]

Nah, they will be fine. Nobody jumps that easily between the phone ecosystems anymore -- the investments have become too high, the learning curves too steep.

Besides, Apple would have to REALLY pull this off and add A LOT of features to the iPhone to get Galaxy Note users to really think about jumping ship. Handwriting recognition through the keyboard application? Easy drawing on any photo; "translating" hand-drawn diagrams into properly formatted technical drawings -- a lot of things like that. Samsung focused A LOT on business/technical users with their S-PEN -- which is a different target audience than the one Apple has been mainly looking at.

I remember that especially here on this forum people have always been making silly remarks about the Samsung Galaxy Note -- first about the size of the phone, then about the tablet. But now that Apple has cloned all of those features that - according to this forum - nobody would ever want, we're back to how Apple totally re-invented all these things in "the right" way.

In the meantime, the rest of the world out there is now buying 200 to 300 Euro Chinese import phones like Xiaomi Mi A2 or the Huawei Honor series and enjoys high-end features and high-end performance for mid-range prices.

Some people say that the smartphone market has "matured" - similar to the PC market back in the day. Others would simply call it "saturated" or would say that it "has reached the end of innovation". (And yes, while AR and VR might be big things, they won't be happening on smartphones in a big way -- at least not with the smartphone as the main consumption device; it will probably just be the computer powering the rest of the necessary wearables.)

Samsung Galaxy s9 sales are in the toilet and note 9 is already offering discounts, bogos and free gifts during the preorder.

That’s without the iPhone X plus or stylus support.


Right..... that’s why Samsung debuted their s plus models after Apple introduced the iPhone 6 Plus.
Wonder why Samsung didn’t do it before?

welcome back palm pilots

You mean Apple newton

 

[MacBebe]

I myself is not interested with the Apple pencil on the iPhone. Choice is good, though.

 

[lunarworks]

Everyone wins. You can use the pencil if you want to, if you don't then don't! No reason for anyone to complain.

Losing the reason to complain is losing. Didn't think of that, did ya?

 

[dalestrauss]

Apple's second-generation iPhone X, and a widely expected 6.5-inch model dubbed the iPhone X Plus, will both be compatible with the Apple Pencil, according to Taiwanese publication Economic Daily News.

Image: EverythingApplePro on YouTube​

The report, citing "industry insiders," claims that Apple Pencil support will be limited to those OLED models, meaning that Apple's upcoming lower-cost 6.1-inch iPhone with an LCD will not work with the drawing tool. Taiwanese research firm TrendForce shared the same prediction earlier this week.

Apple Pencil launched in November 2015 alongside the original 12.9-inch iPad Pro, and it works with all other iPad Pro models released since. Last March, Apple expanded the tool's compatibility to the new sixth-generation iPad, a lower-cost, 9.7-inch model targeted at students and the classroom.

If these rumors prove to be true, this would be the first time Apple releases its own stylus for the iPhone in the device's 11-year history.

When introducing the original iPhone in 2007, Apple's late co-founder Steve Jobs quipped that "nobody wants a stylus" with a smartphone, but Apple has played the semantics game in insisting that the Apple Pencil is a drawing tool. It's also been over a decade since Jobs made that comment--things change.

It's unclear if Apple will release a smaller Pencil for the iPhone, as the current version could be rather unwieldy for use with an iPhone. Apple has yet to update the Pencil's design since it first launched three years ago.

A stylus on a mobile device is nothing new, but only a handful of modern smartphones have one, including the Samsung Galaxy Note with the S Pen, which can be used to draw on the screen, handwrite notes, annotate documents, and more.

Designed to mimic the feel and sensation of using a pen or a pencil, the Apple Pencil has built-in sensors to determine orientation and angle, and to detect a range of forces for pressure-sensitive drawing and writing. On the iPad Pro, the Apple Pencil is sampled at 240Hz for minimal latency.

Apple is expected to unveil a trio of new iPhones at its usual September event at Steve Jobs Theater, and Apple Pencil support would surely be a headline feature if true. A new Apple Pencil altogether is certainly a possibility too.

Article Link: Another Report Says Second-Generation iPhone X and iPhone X Plus Will Support Apple Pencil

I'm not a big Jobs fan, but let's be honest here - the Apple Pencil IS NOT A STYLUS. What Jobs was deriding was the little plastic resistive screen pointers that even on the best of phones of that time, the Palm Treo, used a special alphabet for drawing characters. He was right then, and Apple's adoption of the Pencil for the iPhone X is not a rejection or even conflict with what he said in 2007.

 

[Mac Tyson]

Lol, can't wait to hear how this is groundbreaking and how they're NOT copying Samsung. This is more like Apple buying time to fully copy Samsung. I'll call it now, 2020 Apple will have a Galaxy Note copy, and they will site the popularity of their users using the pencil on their iPhones. It would be way too obvious if they straight brought out their Galaxy Note clone that they already have in the works. Pathetic.
Oh and the other pathetic thing will be, the Apple apologists that trashed the Note for its SPen. And now have all of a sudden, have a new found open mindedness about a stylus on a phone. But just like Apple, they can't just come out and admit to it. They can't just be like, "it's so awesome to have the option of a stylus on a phone." That would just expose them for being shameless hypocrites, so instead, they'll say something like," I guess it's good to have options, but I'll never use it." But we all know full well, they're just dying to have it built in the phone like the Note. Pathetic and shameless.

You sure spend a lot of time on an Apple-centric site. Just looking at your avatar, you clearly have a hate for Apple.

Are you going to change it when Samsung phones gets notches? You know it's a matter of time....

 

[Kobayagi]

Would be nice if you could also use to pencil on the trackpad of the MacBook.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Sounds good. Hopefully they make a smaller pencil though.

 

[FFR]

I am one of these who doesn't like Samsung purely because they are corrupted company, but does give a credit when credit is due. They did not invent the stylus, get over it. And get your facts right, it wasn't the price but quality of OLED that made it possible for the iPhone X. Apple would not put a display that burns like some other companies (you know who) do. Funny you should say about the "cheap"price of OLED displays for Apple, matter of fact Samsung made sure they are priced highest possible for Apple. Not for long. Others like LG are catching up fast on quality so it won't be for long exclusive business.
By the way, how the crapy sales of S9 going? You must be really on some sort of desperation to troll on Apple site forum and it must be really boring on these Shamy sites! Samsung probably though it will mimic Apple by getting away with just an "S" version of their galaxy thing like Apple does every other year ! Silly rabbit, lol

Great post


But your forgetting the fact that Samsung licenses their oled tech. They didn’t invent it like some posters keep pushing.

 

[xnu]

Apple Pencil is amazing, one of Apple's greatest creations in my opinion. It will never be considered that, but I find it as close to a perfect product as Apple has ever released in a first generation.

I think the more places it can be used the better. Its not for everyone, but it is really exceptional at what it does. The same with the AirPods. Hope they return to the Mac soon for some innovation, especially the Mac Pro.

 

[DaRev]

Companies had them before Apple. Amstrad http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=876 , AT&T EO Communicator and IBM ThinkPad Tablet (October 1992).

Apple partnered with AT&T to create General Magic, the stylus was a joint effort between them. I saw a nonworking demo (more like slideshow) at an Apple education convention on Classroom Technology of Tomorrow back in either 1990 or 1991 I forget.

 

[Mainsail]

It will be interesting to see how this plays with consumers. On the one hand, it’s nice to have the choice to use an Apple Pencil with your phone. I suspect there won’t be a lot of people that buy the Apple Pencil just to use with the phone, but they might have one for their iPad, so it increases the utility. Or, they might have an iPad without a pencil, and the fact that it now works with both iPad and phone could push them over to buying a pencil. Either way Apple wins.

Personally, I buy older model phones on sale at BB, so I am usually a generation behind but only pay like $350 for my iPhone. I can get an iPad that works with Apple Pencil for $300 on sale. So, I can get two devices for $650, which is less than 2/3 of the cost of the new iPhone X and maybe 1/2 the cost of new iPhone X plus.....of course, I am just guessing here on future pricing of the new phones. For my use case, I would rather have two devices and just use the pencil with an iPad, since it seems like a better fit for the larger screen size.

 

[blacktape242]

getting real sick of apple and their non innovation with things over the past number of years.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Everyone here channeling the tired old Steve Jobs quote about using a stylus seems to forget that he was first and foremost a salesman. He literally had to say that styli were bad because the iPhone didn’t have one, even if it was a deliberate design decision.

While finger based capacitance and multi-touch was a huge step forward, it did and still does not preclude the utility of other input devices. If you can’t imagine what those use cases might be — even on a mobile device — then the option for a stylus isn’t targeted to you.

Doesn't even matter what he said because we have an iPad mini and larger iPhones.
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I think a more important point (over saving space by removing headphone jack) is that it would be really dumb to add a slot for a stylus when the majority of people would never use it.

If they do add support for the apple pencil then it should be optional and therefore they shouldn't put a slot on the phone.

 

[mdelvecchio]

When introducing the original iPhone in 2007, Apple's late co-founder Steve Jobs quipped that "nobody wants a stylus" with a smartphone, but Apple has played the semantics game in insisting that the Apple Pencil is a drawing tool. It's also been over a decade since Jobs made that comment--things change.

Facepalm. No, no, no. At launch, Jobs was referring to a stylus being required to operate the device and its UI, as was common for devices at the time in that Palm-era. He was NOT referring to optional drawing devices, which have been around since the original too (just not as good as the Pencil).

How you’re not getting this I don’t know.

 

[FFR]

Companies had them before Apple. Amstrad http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=876 , AT&T EO Communicator and IBM ThinkPad Tablet (October 1992).

According to your article a week before Apple.
The article also mentioned despite being half the price it totally bombed. Probably tried to rush it to market before Apple just to be the first. Didn’t really work.

Kinda looks like our interpretation of the stylus was crafted at Apple.

Apple partnered with AT&T to create General Magic, the stylus was a joint effort between them. I saw a nonworking demo (more like slideshow) at an Apple education convention on Classroom Technology of Tomorrow back in either 1990 or 1991 I forget.

Thanks for the post never heard of general magic.

 

[aleni]

“Who wants a stylus?”

No one wants a stylus to do only basic task like viewing your contacts, typing etc. in this case apple pencil is used for precision drawing and it’s very useful for me as a logo designer because I don’t need to bring my sketchnotes and my iPad pro all the time with me if I want to do some quick sketching of a logo right when a fresh idea comes up.

 

[D.T.]

I'll wind up getting a pencil, thinking "I guess this is neat", lose it ... forget I ever owned one, go back to my non-pencil existence

People that use the pencil will complain about losing it.

Waiting on the tsunami of cases with a pencil storage solution Maybe a Kickstarter for the Pencilace™ ... "Keeps your Apple Pencil hanging conveniently from your neck! 4 Finishes! Stylishness for your Stylus!"

 

[mikethemartian]

Apple did not invited the stylus nor was Apple the first one made devices with stylus nor was Apple the first one made stylus to market.

Light pens which basically perform the same function were available for 8 bit Atari and other computers.

 

[nburwell]

While I love the Apple Pencil on my IPP, I don't know how useful it would be to me on an iPhone. But like others mentioned, you simply don't have to use it. I doubt Apple is going to bundle the AP with the new iPhone models.