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People don't seem to get that Steve was right about his approach then, and Apple is right now. At the time the iPhone was created, Apple had a few obstacles to navigate: First, nearly everyone understood a "phone" to be something other than what the iPhone was. It was largely for this reason that the original iPhone needed to be small -- it had to somewhat resemble what people expected a phone to be, and there was no precedent whatsoever for carrying around a large-screen device in one's pocket or holding it up to one's ear to talk. Second, there was originally no app store for iPhone and very little sense of what would later be possible with phone apps. Third, the obvious points of comparison to the iPhone were the Palm Pilot and the Newton (and various related devices), both of which were stylus-driven niche devices.

Apple thus had to differentiate the iPhone from the stylus-driven niche devices, it had to create something which people would think of as a replacement for their portable phones (then ironically-called "feature phones"), it had to create a sense of immediacy and usability, and it had to encourage good habits by future developers (who history had already shown would gravitate toward extremely small interface elements if stylus use were an option). By making a stylus not even an option, Apple was able to ensure usability, to make interface elements large enough for people to use with their fingers, and to not require people to carry around or become adept with any other tool. The iPhone could fully replace a person's phone and he or she would then discovery everything else it could do.

Things change, though, as the article observes. While one-handed use was essential for the early success of the iPhone and hardly a detriment for the apps that existed at that time, everyone now is comfortable with the concept that a "phone" is a mini-computer more than it is a device for conversing orally with someone. Apps have changed hugely. And social barriers regarding the use of larger devices for traditional "phone" use have largely disappeared. Most importantly, developers now understand that user-interface elements have to be capable of finger touch control, so introducing a stylus now will add something without taking away something else (usability). I therefore think we can say with fairly high confidence that neither larger screens or styluses contradict Steve's earlier reasoning, which was simply focused on different considerations specific to that time. The best stylus for most purposes remains our fingers, but Apple rightly recognizes a modern use-case for larger screens and an actual stylus.
 
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iPhone Apple Pencil support?
YES! YES! YES!

Finally! No more having to resort to “finger painting” for graphics and notetaking on the iPhone.

BRING IT ON!
 
People don't seem to get that Steve was right about his approach then, and Apple is right now. At the time the iPhone was created, Apple had a few obstacles to navigate: First, nearly everyone understood a "phone" to be something other than what the iPhone was. It was largely for this reason that the original iPhone needed to be small -- it had to somewhat resemble what people expected a phone to be, and there was no precedent whatsoever for carrying around a large-screen device in one's pocket or holding it up to one's ear to talk. Second, there was originally no app store for iPhone and very little sense of what would later be possible with phone apps. Third, the obvious points of comparison to the iPhone were the Palm Pilot and the Newton (and various related devices), both of which were stylus-driven niche devices.

Apple thus had to differentiate the iPhone from the stylus-driven niche devices, it had to create something which people would think of as a replacement for their portable phones (then ironically-called "feature phones"), it had to create a sense of immediacy and usability, and it had to encourage good habits by future developers (who history had already shown would gravitate toward extremely small interface elements if stylus use were an option). By making a stylus not even an option, Apple was able to ensure usability, to make interface elements large enough for people to use with their fingers, and to not require people to carry around or become adept with any other tool. The iPhone could fully replace a person's phone and he or she would then discovery everything else it could do.

Things change, though, as the article observes. While one-handed use was essential for the early success of the iPhone and hardly a detriment for the apps that existed at that time, everyone now is comfortable with the concept that a "phone" is a mini-computer more than it is a device for conversing orally with someone. Apps have changed hugely. And social barriers regarding the use of larger devices for traditional "phone" use have largely disappeared. Most importantly, developers now understand that user-interface elements have to be capable of finger touch control, so introducing a stylus now will add something without taking away something else (usability). I therefore think we can say with fairly high confidence that neither larger screens or styluses contradict Steve's earlier reasoning, which was simply focused on different considerations specific to that time. The best stylus for most purposes remains our fingers, but Apple rightly recognizes a modern use-case for larger screens and an actual stylus.

Nah... plenty of us get it... the ones who don't are the loud ones.

:D
 
Let's hope the Apple Pencil will now be offered in Space Gray (i.e. black).

I also think it's time Apple started pairing the iPhones with black fronts with in-package Space Gray headphones as well. After the iMac Pro got released with the Space Gray keyboard/mouse combo, it's now time Apple started offering all their accessories in this color. I think sales of the AirPods would really take off if they were sold in Space Gray too.

Who wants to bust out a white Apple Pencil or white headphones with their black/gray iPhone?!? Your move Apple!
 
Here comes a wave of comments from people who think they know what Steve jobs from over a decade ago would think of modern day tech

Steve wasn’t perfect, he held on to his belief of the one button noise for too long.

My real question
Here comes a wave of comments from people who think they know what Steve jobs from over a decade ago would think of modern day tech


While I personally love to quote Steve, Steve wasn't perfect and people need to remember that. For example, his love of the one button mouse was a horrible mistake.

The only thing is, I would love to be the fly in Apple to here how they decided to add this capability. It comes way too close to Samsungs ad making fun of them. This may have impacted in them releasing the info. I suspect this is Apple playing catch up.
 
Lol, can't wait to hear how this is groundbreaking and how they're NOT copying Samsung. This is more like Apple buying time to fully copy Samsung. I'll call it now, 2020 Apple will have a Galaxy Note copy, and they will site the popularity of their users using the pencil on their iPhones. It would be way too obvious if they straight brought out their Galaxy Note clone that they already have in the works. Pathetic.
Oh and the other pathetic thing will be, the Apple apologists that trashed the Note for its SPen. And now have all of a sudden, have a new found open mindedness about a stylus on a phone. But just like Apple, they can't just come out and admit to it. They can't just be like, "it's so awesome to have the option of a stylus on a phone." That would just expose them for being shameless hypocrites, so instead, they'll say something like," I guess it's good to have options, but I'll never use it." But we all know full well, they're just dying to have it built in the phone like the Note. Pathetic and shameless.

Wow...you take this stuff way too seriously. Relax, and get off the Apple boards and head over to reddit.com/samsung
 
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Using a finger to interact on the screen of an iPhone is like using a palm to interact with a touch screen 27" monitor. A stylus can't come soon enough.
 
Lol, can't wait to hear how this is groundbreaking and how they're NOT copying Samsung. This is more like Apple buying time to fully copy Samsung. I'll call it now, 2020 Apple will have a Galaxy Note copy, and they will site the popularity of their users using the pencil on their iPhones. It would be way too obvious if they straight brought out their Galaxy Note clone that they already have in the works. Pathetic.
It's just that the iPhone will support it, it will nowhere be as the Note. It won't be attached to the phone and won't come with it. You also probably won't get any special features for the pen, you will just use it for drawing/writing and navigating.
 
Lol, can't wait to hear how this is groundbreaking and how they're NOT copying Samsung. This is more like Apple buying time to fully copy Samsung. I'll call it now, 2020 Apple will have a Galaxy Note copy, and they will site the popularity of their users using the pencil on their iPhones. It would be way too obvious if they straight brought out their Galaxy Note clone that they already have in the works. Pathetic.
Oh and the other pathetic thing will be, the Apple apologists that trashed the Note for its SPen. And now have all of a sudden, have a new found open mindedness about a stylus on a phone. But just like Apple, they can't just come out and admit to it. They can't just be like, "it's so awesome to have the option of a stylus on a phone." That would just expose them for being shameless hypocrites, so instead, they'll say something like," I guess it's good to have options, but I'll never use it." But we all know full well, they're just dying to have it built in the phone like the Note. Pathetic and shameless.
We're just "dying" to have it built in like the Note? Lol, really?

Edit: This comment (mine, not his) previously pointed out that it seems like his comment was written specifically to provoke or get a reaction rather than contribute to the discussion, but Macrumors has a rule against comments that "are more likely to provoke other users and stir up anger than to contribute to a discussion" so they removed that part of my comment. Anyone know the definition of irony? I forget.
 
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I don't think Apple pencil + iPhone really makes alot of sense. What I do think makes sense is feature parity among devices. It would be neat if you owned an iPad Pro + Apple Pencil, to pick up the pencil and use it on the iPhone in a pinch to throw out a quick sketch or something. It'd also be neat if you could do the same onto the MacBook trackpad. Obviously the iPad would be the ideal space for the Pencil, but it'd be nice if they added the support across devices so if you already had it in your hand you could use it. I don't think it will ever be positioned, or rather should be positioned, where you feel like you need to buy an Apple Pencil with the iPhone.

I played with the Galaxy Note 9 in store. It's a very nice device but honestly I couldn't see myself using the S Pen for much. Maybe if I had a job where I'd need to sketch things out from time to time on the go.
 
I wonder how you are even going to store it, since I doubt Apple will waste precious space for a pen slot that not everyone might use.

That is correct. We can only assume that we won't be seeing this anytime soon. Apple cannot release an iphone with a pen just like that. 3 simple reasons:

1. They should make the phone thicker in order to be able to store the pen. There are absolutely no leaks regarding such a thing.

2. iOS for iphones does not currently have functionality for a pen (a pen is not supposed to be just a finger replacement). They should at least add a functionality similar to samsung's note 9 (e.g. the device is aware that the pen was removed and offer some quick actions related to it, like taking notes directly on screen etc).

3. There should be additional functionality like remote controlling the device, like samsung did. Otherwise, apple would look inferior in that part with their main competitor.

In other words, Samsung has been bothered with this for some time, and they have gone a long way to make it useful. Apple catching up with them now, would require lots of changes on h/w and s/w.
 
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I’ve just thought... if this is true then maybe we will be getting ProMotion after all? I don’t care at all about the Pencil support but if we end up getting ProMotion because of it then bring it on!
 
So Apple are taking on the Samsung Note then?
It will open up a whole new world of Apps to the iPhone I guess.
It makes sense especially for the larger iPhones and especially if there isn't going to be an iPad Mini Pro to have Apple Pencil support for the new iPhones.
And I guess the Pencil will be optional, for those who really need it or like to use it.
Nice!
 
Lol, can't wait to hear how this is groundbreaking and how they're NOT copying Samsung. This is more like Apple buying time to fully copy Samsung. I'll call it now, 2020 Apple will have a Galaxy Note copy, and they will site the popularity of their users using the pencil on their iPhones. It would be way too obvious if they straight brought out their Galaxy Note clone that they already have in the works. Pathetic.
Oh and the other pathetic thing will be, the Apple apologists that trashed the Note for its SPen. And now have all of a sudden, have a new found open mindedness about a stylus on a phone. But just like Apple, they can't just come out and admit to it. They can't just be like, "it's so awesome to have the option of a stylus on a phone." That would just expose them for being shameless hypocrites, so instead, they'll say something like," I guess it's good to have options, but I'll never use it." But we all know full well, they're just dying to have it built in the phone like the Note. Pathetic and shameless.

I sense a straw man. I haven't heard anyone argue that Apple's use of a stylus is "groundbreaking." Styluses for portable devices have been out there for twenty years or so, well before Samsung ever used one on a phone. The Apple Newton used one. They are an obvious and much-used tool on a variety of the devices. Adding the ability to use one here is "copying" only in the most banal, irrelevant sense. What Apple is really doing is giving iPhone a much-requested and obvious feature, which some of its competitors have had for a while. That it's the Apple Pencil means it is a particularly good stylus, but that's it. It's also undoubtedly true that many people indeed will indeed feel that options are a good thing but that they will never use the stylus on their phone. I may fall into that group myself. That doesn't make us "shameless hypocrites," it just means we'll buy what we need.
 
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The only thing that excites me here is that this potentially means the OLED models are getting ProMotion. Put me down for an X Plus day one.
Why jump to that conclusion? Apple's latest 9.7-inch iPad offers pencil support without ProMotion so why assume the X series of iPhones will have it?
 
Pencil compatible iPad Mini please. :)

Phones: want a smaller model. Not interested in using an Apple Pencil on a phone screen. For those that do, hope you do not have to pay even more for that feature.
 
Good to know, I just thought about switching from the iPhone X to the Galaxy Note 9 - because of the pen.
It's Time to wait.
 
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