Anticipated new features for the 2016 MB?

[touchstoned]

While your numbers might be true for short bursts, the Broadwell generation Core M throttles like crazy. Good luck sustaining anything over 1.6 ghz at normal ambient temps under full load. Skylake Core M on the other hand has solved this issue as is evident by the Skylake Core M windows laptops, and thus run at their max boost speed for however long you want, actually making the performance gap far wider than 20%.

Interesting how you have all these figures and specs on a computer that has basically only been rumored, where are the benchmarks? You don't know wtf you're talking about, those windows laptops have 100% different designs than the 12" macbook and almost every single one will have a fan, which explains why they "don't throttle" (LMAO!).

Intel fanboys abound on the internet, but remember folks: THERE WILL BE NO BIG PERFORMANCE BOOST FROM SKYLAKE, NONE. Don't take my word for it, or some other moron on a forums word for it, go to anandtech and read the reviews. Skylake is a buggy mess, and barely an improvement over broad well, which in turn is an imperceptible improvement from Haswell (The last real improvement intel made). In fact, SKYLAKE ACTUALLY HAS WORSE BASELINE POWER CONSUMPTION THAN BROADWELL! Don't believe me? Look at the 5775C at 65watts TDP turns into 85 watts on skylake for the same frequencies. And that's before you add EDRAM, just wait till you see the 90+ watt monster the 5775C turns into when they make a 6775C.

Intel is a joke, and I pity myself and Apple for being forced to use them in this macbook 12". Hopefully Apple will surprise us with an OS X A10X Macbook, but I've held my breath forever for that and don't really expect it. So, it's back to imperceptible changes in performance and better I/O after a 2 year re-design. Thanks Intel, and thanks even more to you Apple

 

[PTLove]

Interesting how you have all these figures and specs on a computer that has basically only been rumored, where are the benchmarks? You don't know wtf you're talking about, those windows laptops have 100% different designs than the 12" macbook and almost every single one will have a fan, which explains why they "don't throttle" (LMAO!).

Intel fanboys abound on the internet, but remember folks: THERE WILL BE NO BIG PERFORMANCE BOOST FROM SKYLAKE, NONE. Don't take my word for it, or some other moron on a forums word for it, go to anandtech and read the reviews. Skylake is a buggy mess, and barely an improvement over broad well, which in turn is an imperceptible improvement from Haswell (The last real improvement intel made). In fact, SKYLAKE ACTUALLY HAS WORSE BASELINE POWER CONSUMPTION THAN BROADWELL! Don't believe me? Look at the 5775C at 65watts TDP turns into 85 watts on skylake for the same frequencies. And that's before you add EDRAM, just wait till you see the 90+ watt monster the 5775C turns into when they make a 6775C.

Intel is a joke, and I pity myself and Apple for being forced to use them in this macbook 12". Hopefully Apple will surprise us with an OS X A10X Macbook, but I've held my breath forever for that and don't really expect it. So, it's back to imperceptible changes in performance and better I/O after a 2 year re-design. Thanks Intel, and thanks even more to you Apple

There are plenty of Windows Notebooks out there with Core M broadwell vs Skylake, plenty of which are fanless, and the performance gains are most def there.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...idrange-laptop-gets-much-better-with-skylake/

 

[touchstoned]

There are plenty of Windows Notebooks out there with Core M broadwell vs Skylake, plenty of which are fanless, and the performance gains are most def there.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015...idrange-laptop-gets-much-better-with-skylake/

Could you explain to me why exactly the Broadwell 5775C draws only 65 watts running at 3.3/3.7Ghz with 128MB EDRAM, when the Skylake E3 1225 V5 Xeon at 3.3/3.7Ghz draws 80 watts WITHOUT power-drawing EDRAM? Or why the 6600K with a lower boost clock of 3.6Ghz draws 95W WITHOUT EDRAM AND AT A LOWER CLOCK?

SOURCE:
http://ark.intel.com/products/88040/Intel-Core-i7-5775C-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skylake_(microarchitecture)

IF SKYLAKE IS SO GOOD WITH POWER CONSUMPTION WHY DIDN'T APPLE USE IT MONTHS AGO WHEN IT WAS AVAILABLE? WHY DOESN'T IT HAVE INTEGRATED FIVR?


Your red herring of unrelated reviews of windows ultrabooks hasn't answered a single one of my questions nor does it actually show what you claim it shows (this is easy to see by the fact that you refuse to actually quote anything or add any screenshots, LOL!).

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY SKYLAKE USES MORE POWER IN A SOCKET, BUT SOMEHOW IS SUPPOSED TO USE MASSIVELY LESS POWER IN A BGA LAPTOP?

You can't, because it doesn't use less power at all. It actually has slightly better load power consumption, and slightly worse baseline power consumption... for a combo of the same power consumption. This is borne out by the fact that Broadwell windows laptops have the same or better power consumption to skylake.

 

[oneMadRssn]

For the record, I said there was a 0% chance for March, a 25% chance for June, and a 75% chance for March '17.

The RMB will not be updated at all this year.

I also heard that adding Skylake isn't a walk in the park either, lots of redesign is necessary.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, business school. Making stuff up and being proven wrong by engineers since 1819.

I could keep going with the quotes. There are many many to choose from. However, I think this is enough gloating, for now

 

[Three141]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, business school. Making stuff up and being proven wrong by engineers since 1819.

I could keep going with the quotes. There are many many to choose from. However, I think this is enough gloating, for now

Lol, I had a feeling some gloating was going to be here.
This was an entertaining thread and if I'm honest Boltjames debates reminded me of Scottsdale's posts of old with his persistence.
Even as a Microsoft guy, got to love this site.

 

[6749974]

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, business school. Making stuff up and being proven wrong by engineers since 1819.

I could keep going with the quotes. There are many many to choose from. However, I think this is enough gloating, for now

Although to be fair, and as I understood him, he was claiming that it made no sense for Apple to update (as in redesign) the rMB with

• a 2nd port (which is what the rift in debate was all about)
• the Thunderbolt 3 (which is I think what confused him because that's an Alpine Ridge (?) problem, so I keep seeing on the forums, which is what confused him (why he said "lots of redesign is necessary")
• A 720p FaceTime camera

So he was right about that, Apple didn't update the line.

You were correct in that there was a spec bump, but we all knew one was coming. He lost the April battle but he won the war. Apple isn't going to update the line on RMB's just yet. Apple will update the RMB Pros first (WWDC).

I think where everyone is getting confused is update (spec bump) vs update (the product line).

For example: nobody will be happy with Apple if they just give us a spec bump update on the Pros. In fact people will riot the forums if that happens.

CPU Spec Bump does not equal Line Update

Can we all agree that this "update" did 0 to appease and pacify the haters and complainers. In fact I've been having fun reading all the hate on Reddit. This is not the update we all have been talking about (i.e. Extra port, TB3, super fast CPU for gaming)
[doublepost=1461117393][/doublepost]Overheard comments:

Guys, you never should have been expecting Thunderbolt 3 in the first place. Thunderbolt 3 requires an additional chipset on the motherboard - the motherboard that apple so proudly touts as being so small and packed - https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/32q7pp/this_is_the_size_of_entire_motherboard_w_cpu_gpu/[1]

They were never going to fit a new controller on that motherboard without a redesign. But they dont NEED a redesign because the next Intel processor - kabylake - supports thunderbolt 3 natively and doesnt need that extra controller.

So I should start worshipping Kabylake rather than Skylake? I've been telling people to wait for Skylake, wait for Skylake! You just ruined my entire life. I'm going to Starbucks.

That sums up how this all works.

 

[oneMadRssn]

Although to be fair, and as I understood him, he was claiming that it made no sense for Apple to update (as in redesign) the rMB with

• a 2nd port (which is what the rift in debate was all about)
• the Thunderbolt 3 (which is I think what confused him because that's an Alpine Ridge (?) problem, so I keep seeing on the forums, which is what confused him (why he said "lots of redesign is necessary")
• A 720p FaceTime camera

So he was right about that, Apple didn't update the line.

You were correct in that there was a spec bump, but we all knew one was coming. He lost the April battle but he won the war. Apple isn't going to update the line on RMB's just yet. Apple will update the RMB Pros first (WWDC).

I think where everyone is getting confused is update (spec bump) vs update (the product line).

For example: nobody will be happy with Apple if they just give us a spec bump update on the Pros. In fact people will riot the forums if that happens.

CPU Spec Bump does not equal Line Update

Can we all agree that this "update" did 0 to appease and pacify the haters and complainers. In fact I've been having fun reading all the hate on Reddit. This is not the update we all have been talking about (i.e. Extra port, TB3, super fast CPU for gaming)

No, he was pretty clear and said in no uncertain terms that there would be no update of any kind in the first half of 2016, and he was very sure there would be no update of any kind in 2016 at all. There was no qualification or specifics - just no update. Period.

Also, I think there are two updates people were expecting.
First, the spec bump update, which we got.
Second, the new generation update, which I don't think anyone could have reasonably expected this soon. The MBA took 3 years to get a second generation major redesign after it first launched. In that time, there were 3 minor spec bumps. I think the same thing will occur here - we will see 2 more minor spec bumps before a major second generation redesign in 2018, give or take.

 

[SteveJUAE]

No, he was pretty clear and said in no uncertain terms that there would be no update of any kind in the first half of 2016, and he was very sure there would be no update of any kind in 2016 at all. There was no qualification or specifics - just no update. Period.

Also, I think there are two updates people were expecting.
First, the spec bump update, which we got.
Second, the new generation update, which I don't think anyone could have reasonably expected this soon. The MBA took 3 years to get a second generation major redesign after it first launched. In that time, there were 3 minor spec bumps. I think the same thing will occur here - we will see 2 more minor spec bumps before a major second generation redesign in 2018, give or take.

Whilst BJ (AKA Nearly headless Nick) got the bump update wrong which was a 50/50 call the rest was right and he's certainly more entertaining to read than the rest of the bleaters and I wanters

 

[Queen6]

Initially I thought TB3 was given for this update, as we moved closer it became less & less likely, and or course we all now know the outcome. Part of the fun is second guessing what Apple will do or not as the case my be, and the discussions that ensue.

As for the update, it`s not really meaningful enough for me to warrant updating my current 1.2 rMB although I could certainly use the extra 15% of CPU power and hour of battery. The rMBP is now very close and will very likely be thinner & lighter than the current model may turn out to serve better.

Q-6

 

[navaira]

I am completely unsurprised with the update with one exception: no 720p camera. I was hoping they would change the keyboard but I'm not surprised this didn't happen.

 

[SteveJUAE]

I am completely unsurprised with the update with one exception: no 720p camera. I was hoping they would change the keyboard but I'm not surprised this didn't happen.

I'm not surprised by the lack of surprise's

The thing that does surprise me is the endless quotes on the historic upgrades etc of previous MAC's as a forecast of what's to come.

That makes the outlook quite depressing IMO or maybe it's that starvation of progression that makes a new release every few years more welcome than it should be.

 

[toddzrx]

Although to be fair, and as I understood him, he was claiming that it made no sense for Apple to update (as in redesign) the rMB with

• a 2nd port (which is what the rift in debate was all about)
• the Thunderbolt 3 (which is I think what confused him because that's an Alpine Ridge (?) problem, so I keep seeing on the forums, which is what confused him (why he said "lots of redesign is necessary")
• A 720p FaceTime camera

So he was right about that, Apple didn't update the line.

You were correct in that there was a spec bump, but we all knew one was coming. He lost the April battle but he won the war. Apple isn't going to update the line on RMB's just yet. Apple will update the RMB Pros first (WWDC).

I think where everyone is getting confused is update (spec bump) vs update (the product line).

For example: nobody will be happy with Apple if they just give us a spec bump update on the Pros. In fact people will riot the forums if that happens.

CPU Spec Bump does not equal Line Update

Can we all agree that this "update" did 0 to appease and pacify the haters and complainers. In fact I've been having fun reading all the hate on Reddit. This is not the update we all have been talking about (i.e. Extra port, TB3, super fast CPU for gaming)
[doublepost=1461117393][/doublepost]Overheard comments:



That sums up how this all works.

Historically, "refresh", "spec bump", "update", and "upgrade" all refer to what we got yesterday in the MB: newest processor, better graphics, and a few other odds and ends that increase performance overall (but not by a dramatic amount).

On the other hand, "redesign" is what is normally used to refer to just that: a physical change to the chassis which usually includes a significant capability change. For example, the redesigned iMacs in late 2012 had their optical drive removed, but also received a thinner chassis (mainly at the edges), and the typical processor/graphics/etc. upgrades you'd expect.

For anyone to have expected a redesigned MB in only its second year, even to just include a second USB-C port, is not taking into consideration pretty much all of Apple hardware history.