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Anticipated new features for the 2016 MB?
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Where are they going to put them? As someone posted earlier with the teardown, there is literally no space for it unless Apple makes it thicker or increases the footprint. Or they'd have to shrink the keyboard which makes no sense.
Exactly. People seem to keep forgetting this HP is a substantially larger device. 13.3" screen vs 12" screen, plus what looks like a disproportionally larger bezel, makes for a LOT more space to work with.
Here's a challenge: anyone suggesting more ports for the rMB, grab one of those teardowns or gallery images and SHOW where you'd put them.
Well, I was one of those waiting for an update, but today (being in HK with an education discount) I walked out of the Apple store with the 512GB Gold Macbook 
As has been already said (for years, it seems): There's no perfect time to buy, as there is always something new around the corner. If you need a laptop now, then buy now. If you don't, then wait, but don't wait forever when you could be enjoying something nice, shiny and new!
As has been already said (for years, it seems): There's no perfect time to buy, as there is always something new around the corner. If you need a laptop now, then buy now. If you don't, then wait, but don't wait forever when you could be enjoying something nice, shiny and new!
Why is this our problem? If HP can design a thinner lapop with 3x the ports that the Apple version has then clearly Apple isn't doing it right.
It's your problem because you're comparing a 13.3" laptop to a 12" laptop.
HP fit in more ports yet also made it wider, deeper, and heavier.
So is that your solution? Make the rMB bigger?
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As several people pointed out, that laptop has a 13" screen plus larger bezels = larger footprint = more room for more ports.
You made it your problem when you claimed "clearly Apple isn't doing it right". We've made our case for why it's not physically possible. You haven't made your case with anything other than wanting magic.
Also... there seems to be an implicit assumption that the single port is a "problem"... I suppose it might be for some folks, but with the various hubs and such available there's a lot of options right now. Plus it's really nice to dock at your desk with one cable connection.
No, that's not how it works. It's Apple's problem that they neutered the rMB by taking shortcuts to only put in one port. To be out designed by another company is one thing, but it's HP we're talking here and that is now a Big Problem for Apple to try to match and beat the HP Spectre.
If the rMB turns out to continue to wobble along with a neutered single port concept, then Apple has surrendered. Guys like boltjames who lust after shiny will abandon Apple for HP. Apple will lose mindshare from that calibre of individual abandoning the platform.
This is a Big Problem for Apple so stop making up excuses for them, folks!
Well for one, it looks like there is some room on the same PCB that currently holds the USB-C port. Looks like there is room to have two side by side. Alternatively, I think it would be wise to take out the 3.5mm headphone port on the other wise and replace it with a USB-C port or a plain old MagSafe2 charting port, which is actually much less deep than a 3.5mm headphone port.
Nice try at dodging the matter, but as you point out, that's not how it works. You're trying to compare two different size classes.
Your "argument" only ceases to be nonsense if Apple should release a 13.3" sized rMB styled laptop with one USB-C port.
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If you look closely at the rMB, the rear edge of the USBC port is right at where the case starts to curve. The front edge is aligned with the rear of the ESC key. I suppose if they went to a squared-off rear corner design they might create room. I'm not sure I'd opposed to something like that, those are pretty big radii.
Ditching the earphone jack in favor of a USB-C port is definitely something I'd be fine with. I can't remember the last time I plugged in headphones to a laptop.
Personally I'm fine without a magsafe. I prefer a single connection for desk docking rather than two or more.
There is NO space for that:
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You are comparing a 13.3" computer to a 12" computer. How did HP do it? It's a bigger computer AND they added that gold bar in the back for the ports. See how they didn't integrate the ports as tightly as apple? If HP did not add that bar, then it doesn't seem like they would have pulled off 3 ports.
You know what it is, the HP Spectre makes the rMB look chunky and long in the tooth. It's a good job Apple deferred releasing a rev 2 rMB in March but one wonders if they might now decide to redesign the rev 2 so as to compete with HP et al. Perhaps June's update is now cancelled?
Then go buy the thin and sexy computer with the giant gold bar on the back for your extra ports.
You say that like you think that HP 13.3" notebook looks good? Personally I think it's a"butterface"; sure it may be thin and shapely, but it sure is ugly when you get right down to it. Buy hey, I'm not one to judge others in matters of taste, so if you like it go ahead and buy one.
They need to kill the MBA line and improve the rMB as the only thin & light notebook - that is, scrap using Core M and move to Skylake-U chips: better performance, better GPU, DDR4 memory, etc. If HP can throw a Core i5/7 chip in a thinner enclosure, there's no reason the rMB has to be limited to the Core M processors.
Also, add more ports to the rMB, 3 USB-C ports, two of which will be TB3. The single port thing was a cute experiment, but having to rely on dongles is a total fail in my book.
Not only would this give users what the MBA is sorely lacking (a retina display), but it would resolve the pain points of the rMB.
Also, add more ports to the rMB, 3 USB-C ports, two of which will be TB3. The single port thing was a cute experiment, but having to rely on dongles is a total fail in my book.
Not only would this give users what the MBA is sorely lacking (a retina display), but it would resolve the pain points of the rMB.
LOL @ "20%" improvement from Broadwell (Core M 5Y10/5Y70) to Skylake (Core M7/M5/M3)... what are you even talking about. The actual improvement from broadwell to skylake at the same frequency is 2.4%!!!!
Source:http://www.anandtech.com/show/9483/intel-skylake-review-6700k-6600k-ddr4-ddr3-ipc-6th-generation/9
"Sandy Bridge to Ivy Bridge: Average ~5.8% Up
Ivy Bridge to Haswell: Average ~11.2% Up
Haswell to Broadwell: Average ~3.3% Up
Broadwell to Skylake (DDR3): Average ~2.4% Up"
That's straight from Anandtech, the most reliable/respected source on the internet for this kind of information.
NOW REMEMBER THAT THE SKYLAKE VERSION OF CORE M OPERATES AT 100Mhz LESS THAN BROADWELL.... NOTE THE "1.4Ghz" CONFIGURABLE FREQUENCY ON BROADWELL
SOURCE:
http://ark.intel.com/products/84672/Intel-Core-M-5Y71-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-2_90-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/88199/Intel-Core-m7-6Y75-Processor-4M-Cache-up-to-3_10-GHz
So you can totally forget about any CPU performance increase whatsoever, it will be EXACTLY the same performance CPU-wise. GPU you'll get maybe 10-20% real world improvement, 40% if you run only synthetic benchmarks like 3DMark or TRex offscreen. Intel is a complete joke in terms of GPU, so I guess that's impressive? IDK
The real improvements for the 2016 Macbook will be a better screen, more I/O, and possibly a faster SSD/more storage options. Otherwise you get the exact same system. Please stop falling for the intel hype, they are a joke CPU designer in mobile and consumer products in 2016. If you want quality intel products you have to buy Xeon, otherwise you're just buying cut-down crap they won't even try to sell to enterprise consumers.
Black Magic was showing around 400MB/s write and 800MB/s read on my 2015 rMB when I ran it the other day.
I'm unsure what kind of SSD speed increase would produce a noticeable difference in system performance.
You might want to get your eyes checked. The Spectre is visually chunkier than the rMB. You know why? Because the Spectre IS physically bigger than the rMB.
I'd be fine with Apple getting rid of the headphone jack and adding a second USB-C port.
While your numbers might be true for short bursts, the Broadwell generation Core M throttles like crazy. Good luck sustaining anything over 1.6 ghz at normal ambient temps under full load. Skylake Core M on the other hand has solved this issue as is evident by the Skylake Core M windows laptops, and thus run at their max boost speed for however long you want, actually making the performance gap far wider than 20%.
Do you know if will also be the case with the fanless rMB? I believe all (or most?) of the Windows laptops that already have the Skylake CPU still have fans?
That sounds pretty great. I'm guessing most of the speed issues people might run into right now (apart from when they really stress the CPU for tasks it simply isn't designed for) are caused by supporting only these short bursts. Allowing more CPU-intensive tasks to run (even only a while) longer will make a pretty huge difference in practice.