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Any Class Action over iOS 7 on iPhone 4?
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How about Apple taking up a bunch of space on your phone with the update they automatically download to it with you essentially having no good way of removing it or preventing it?
How about Apple essentially giving the update a vote of confidence by making it available for the iPhone 4, implying that it shouldn't affect its usability and experience (even though it seems that it does)? They cut out earlier models from upgrades all the time because they feel the new upgrade would degrade the experience, implying that those they leave shouldn't be negatively affected.
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That might be one if the only potentially positive things for such users at this point.
If you have problems with an iOS device and call tech Apple won't help you unless you are on the latest version of iOS. Unless the problem is updating to it. This has happened to me twice.
Geniuses at Apple store will do the same. This happened to me once. I've read about them just updating a device without the persons knowledge or replacing the device with one that has the latest version of iOS on it. That hasn't happened to me though.
I'm in charge of my employers iPhones for the most part which includes trouble shooting.
While it hasn't been an issue per say, someone saying Apple forces you to upgrade isn't to far off base. So your options can effectively be update or throw it away, sell it as is, etc....
That's common practice, particularly here in Europe and telcos' own warranty services. You can NOT ask them to stay with the current OS version - they WILL upgrade.
As a developer I highly disagree that downgrading should be allowed. It's a real pain in the ass for developers to have to cater to people on different OS's with such differences in design.
What if they say sure, downgrade, but most apps you want only support iOS7. THen would you be complaining about how you didn't get the newest features and fixes for your issues? I think so which is why I say grin and bear it or use your voice.
That's my personal opinion and not meant to be attack on anyone, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
What if they say sure, downgrade, but most apps you want only support iOS7. THen would you be complaining about how you didn't get the newest features and fixes for your issues? I think so which is why I say grin and bear it or use your voice.
That's my personal opinion and not meant to be attack on anyone, I'm sorry if it came off that way.
An free OS that you're free to upgrade to or not and you want a class action lawsuit?
This has been beaten to death, but people who revert back to an older version of iOS wouldn't necessarily expect all their apps to work forever. Leave the last working version available, and move on. If it doesn't work, people will know they need to update/upgrade.
I hardly think it does you very good when the OS cripples performance to the point where people don't bother with you apps anyways.
Well, if you do want to cater for users of old models, you also almost automatically support new(er) hardware running on older OS'es (people that don't want to upgrade to, say, be able to stick with JB'n OS versions - or, as is the case with some older models, to avoid their slowing down).
I personally have most iPhone, iPod touch and iPad models (even have more than one from some of them like the iPad 3), all running different (major) OS'es. I even downgraded (via SHSH blobs) some of the devices to be able to test for, say, pre-iOS5 but iOS4.3+ compliance. IMHO, particularly if you have legacy code and don't necessarily need to use the latest features, supporting old OS versions is very easy. (I do it too in my generic mapping & pathfinding apps. Heck, I even maintain iOS4.0...4.2 compatibility to please 2nd-gen iPhone / iPod touch users - too bad armv6 apps are, since Sep/2012, have been a pain in the back to submit to the AppStore.)
All in all, supporting old OS'es isn't as problematic as many think.
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You don't seem to have read the thread. For example the remarks on forced upgrades.
Same idea if a car manufacturer puts out an update for your model that gets installed the next time you are at your dealers for service and it negatively and noticeably affects the performance of your car...just, you know, buy a new one, right?
no one forced him to upgrade, the same as no one forces you to do anything to your car unless you sign off on it. I've worked at dealerships I know how it works
a better comparison would be putting a newer motor into a car with an older CPU and it causes problems
Sure, when you are at a dealership and the dealer tells you there's a manufacturer recommended update that should be installed, how many exactly would question it or say no to it? Let's at least be somewhat realistic.
(As for the whole motor/engine change, that makes even less sense as no hardware is being changed, so that's certainly not a better comparison at all.)
i've seen plenty of people say no to updates when i worked at VW
an engine wouldn't be considered hardware? interesting
it's a friday night i'm not about to internet argue like a child so back to the topic
I would say that the majority do the updates especially when the dealership would usually tell them it's a recommended manufacturer update, or part of a technical bulletin if not even related to a recall of some sort.
As for hardware, in the case of an iOS upgrade, no hardware changes are involved, that's basically what that was in reference to.
As far as arguing and all that, no argument really intended, especially some sort of a "childish" one, just a discussion really.
Just Plain Stupid
Not to sound like a jerk or anything, but seriously, if you can't afford to live in the Apple ecosystem, then don't join it. You have a FOUR year old phone. When it came out, it was one of the best on the market, but that was four years ago. Anyone with a little bit of technological common sense knows that as more updates come out, older hardware has more trouble keeping pace with it.
Apple's a premium brand. Everyone and their mother knows that. If you can't afford to upgrade every two years, okay. But if you're gonna bitch and moan and call for law suits cause your 4 year old phone is slowing down, then maybe you should take your money elsewhere, I know Apple won't give a damn if you stay or leave.
Not to sound like a jerk or anything, but seriously, if you can't afford to live in the Apple ecosystem, then don't join it. You have a FOUR year old phone. When it came out, it was one of the best on the market, but that was four years ago. Anyone with a little bit of technological common sense knows that as more updates come out, older hardware has more trouble keeping pace with it.
Apple's a premium brand. Everyone and their mother knows that. If you can't afford to upgrade every two years, okay. But if you're gonna bitch and moan and call for law suits cause your 4 year old phone is slowing down, then maybe you should take your money elsewhere, I know Apple won't give a damn if you stay or leave.
I didn't like it that my ip4 didn't run ios7 well but I certainly wouldn't have expected apple to cater for my four year old device.
I chose to use an ip4 because I was using it to test the water. Now I have a 5c I understand that you have to keep somewhat up to date with these things!
Should I complain to sports interactive who make football manager, simply because my 6-7 year old laptop struggles to play the game at times?
I agree with the poster above, the Eco system is expensive and boy do I know it coming from android! But I am happy to be part of it regardless how quick or slow it is!
£25 for an adapter to use the 30 pin cables!! What the f*%k?!! Lol
Anyway I'm sure many have an ip4 and it appears that apple are supporting its users regardless of age so I wouldn't complain because that's more of a service than android users get.. Believe me!
I chose to use an ip4 because I was using it to test the water. Now I have a 5c I understand that you have to keep somewhat up to date with these things!
Should I complain to sports interactive who make football manager, simply because my 6-7 year old laptop struggles to play the game at times?
I agree with the poster above, the Eco system is expensive and boy do I know it coming from android! But I am happy to be part of it regardless how quick or slow it is!
£25 for an adapter to use the 30 pin cables!! What the f*%k?!! Lol
Anyway I'm sure many have an ip4 and it appears that apple are supporting its users regardless of age so I wouldn't complain because that's more of a service than android users get.. Believe me!
The 4 year lie comes around again. It's not 4 years old. The iPhone 4 was first released 3.5 years ago. They brought the white model out 10 months after that. The iPhone 4 was the latest iPhone model until just 2.25 years ago. It was still sold by Apple until 4.5 months ago.
And Apple did in fact release iOS 7 for it, essentially giving its vote of confidence that the upgrade would not downgrade the experience on that device (otherwise they surely would have not released the upgrade for it as they practically go out of their way to explain why they don't support various older devices with each new major upgrade).
iPad 3 isn't exactly old. It is half a year older than iPhone 5, one year younger than iPad 2 which runs iOS 7 as well, and it is younger than iPhone 4S.
Still, iOS 7.1 is reported to run better on every device, even iPhone 5s and iPad Air.
While you are write for the most part, Apple should let its users downgrade to last OS if they don't find it useful / sluggish.
So here's the thing. When companies, including Apple release a software update that doesn't support a device model they believe should be supported, they bitch. Then, when they release an update, and it works terribly on the old device. Guess what. Wouldn't you know? The customers are still complaining.
If you had the option to hit the update button, you were forced to do nothing. There is no defense to this. It is absolutely ridiculous that people make decisions that they end up not being happy with and then decide to blame apple for their problems and want to sue them
Any Class Action over iOS 7 on iPhone 4?
In my opinion, if Apple supports a device with two years of good solid, well performing updates, I'm good. Why? Cause that's the typical two year contract experience. I know the phone was still being sold last year for free on contracts. But, the customer signed a two year contract, on a phone that was already two years old. You get what you pay for. Sales reps tell you, this is the latest and fastest, that one over there is older and not as fast. If you chose the old one, then that's what you got. Some people might not like my idea of if, but it's the truth. Tech moves fast.
We all know iOS7 is off to a rough start. Let it get some major updates and what that does to the older devices. Don't jump and scream for law suits.
I have an original iPad mini. iOS 7 isn't so great on it? Do I love that? No. But I know that what I bought a year ago is essentially a smaller iPad 2. So I'm not gonna complain.
In my opinion, if Apple supports a device with two years of good solid, well performing updates, I'm good. Why? Cause that's the typical two year contract experience. I know the phone was still being sold last year for free on contracts. But, the customer signed a two year contract, on a phone that was already two years old. You get what you pay for. Sales reps tell you, this is the latest and fastest, that one over there is older and not as fast. If you chose the old one, then that's what you got. Some people might not like my idea of if, but it's the truth. Tech moves fast.
We all know iOS7 is off to a rough start. Let it get some major updates and what that does to the older devices. Don't jump and scream for law suits.
I have an original iPad mini. iOS 7 isn't so great on it? Do I love that? No. But I know that what I bought a year ago is essentially a smaller iPad 2. So I'm not gonna complain.