They still to ahead and cut out previous models despite the bitching, so they could have easily done that a case like this too. Seems it would be better to not allow a device to upgrade than to degrade its experience by allowing to upgrade...that's what the explanation Apple uses for all that anyway.
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Any Class Action over iOS 7 on iPhone 4?
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Please do read the entire thread. I've explained a million of times why you don't speak of the ENTIRE truth WRT forced upgrades.
FYI: you ARE forced to upgrade when you take your iPhone to repair or it's beyond software repairability other than a complete iTunes restore.
No defense to this?
So what about all the people who had to perform a restore and got forced up to 7?
Then there's the general population, who just see it constantly demanding to be updated, which is predownloaded and taking up space (and possibly cost the owner money to have been downloaded). Most people just hit update, as they have for years. Maybe they should have looked into it better, but the update didn't exactly warn that it might be slow as molasses, cause all kinds of problems, etc. The only way people find out is after the fact, when it is too late.
BS. My old i4 which I gave to my dad a year ago was performing flawlessly on iOS6. I had put a new battery in it and he loved the phone. Then he clicked on the software update and immediately his i4 was a slowed down and frustrating shadow of its former self. I did a clean install for him and although there was a slight improvement the thing was still ponderous. Sure it's still usable but it's nothing like as slick or an enjoyable user experience as it used to be. Apple flat-out ruined a perfectly ok phone which had bags of life left in it. My dad was perfectly happy with it and doesn't need the absolute latest kit for his requirements.
The bottom line is that Apple must have tested iOS7 on the iPhone4 and realised that it just wasn't a good match. Therefore they shouldn't have supported it. Sure if some idiot WANTS to run the latest o/s and have it make his phone perform worse than it used to, I'm happy for them but without making a downgrade to iOS6 available Apple have ruined my father's i4 and he will now have to wait another 12 months for my next hand-me-down. Not acceptable.
All 3 of you are perfect exaples of those who made the choice to update and weren't happy with the results. If this is such a massive problem, why don't you just get a new phone? Nobody is forcing you to stay with this iPhone. Either deal with the problem that way, or just be quiet with all the complaining
Initially I was glad that Apple finally released the upgrade for this old model. As other mentioned some people bought them as they were a great deal offered by the carriers.
Unfortunately my iPhone 4 doesn't work with iOS 7.
I wanted to use it as an iPod, specially due to iTunes Radio, and the Music App doesn't work, after a few minutes it freezes and doesn't' respond at all, and after a while it then reboots itself or turns off when the battery dies.
Now it is useless.
What are the problems you guys are experiencing?
Anyone have successfully make it work after doing something?
Unfortunately my iPhone 4 doesn't work with iOS 7.
I wanted to use it as an iPod, specially due to iTunes Radio, and the Music App doesn't work, after a few minutes it freezes and doesn't' respond at all, and after a while it then reboots itself or turns off when the battery dies.
Now it is useless.
What are the problems you guys are experiencing?
Anyone have successfully make it work after doing something?
I am not sure that this will meet the level of a class action suit. But some people have issues, but in reality...most people are perfectly fine.
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Please. It is still your choice to update in the end.
Plus if where difficult to update then you have people complaining about that too
A response which utterly misses the point. Why should people be forced to toss away perfectly good hardware that Apple ruined with a software update?
Good news on the way. The iOS 7.1 (currently in beta) restores performance and battery life on old devices. People will have to wait till march but it should make this go away for Apple by fixing the issue.
The only concern I have is that people won't do the upgrade thinking it will make it worse. I'm loving the performance of iOS 7.1, Apple cannot release it quick enough.
The only concern I have is that people won't do the upgrade thinking it will make it worse. I'm loving the performance of iOS 7.1, Apple cannot release it quick enough.
So an update noticeably degrades the experience of your phone and the solution to that should be oh well just spend more money. Sure that makes the most sense. People would be perfectly happy with that with other items they own, like a car let's say that gets a software update that degrades its experience? Those affected would just go and but a new one? No big deal.
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Thats really the only potentially positive thing that might be playing a role at this point. Let's hope it works out.
Agreed, it's positive but then if it takes Apple *months* to fix this then that's plain shoddy. I was expecting a fix within 10 days!
However, with so many people saying that their iPhone 4 actually runs better on iOS7 and that the battery life on their iPhone5 is better too, then I'm kinda sceptical when folks say this latest beta is excellent.
Because the "peice of perfectly good peice of hardware" is 4 years old. Phones aren't really meant to be kept for super long periods of time, that is why most contracts allow you to upgrade after 2
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Actually it is hard for developers to support older OS versions. I am an Android dev and have to make new layouts (along with new classes, try and catch methods and the obligatory if sequence) in order to support Froyo (API level 10). Since it is a huge portion of the user base it is important to cater to and somewhat worth the effort.
On iOS 7 it'll hinder progress. There are methods and classes that get depreciated (as well as other languages/software). If there are people on more than one version it will be complicated to bring new features. And yes people will complain if a feature isn't added for them.
It'll diverge priorities in developers. Supporting the older models will be in mind and new features will be second to it.
It was and still is just fine with iOS 6 if not even 5 on it, so why would it be OK for a software update suddenly make it not last when a precious version of the software would make it just fine once again?
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That sort of up to the developers. Look at Windows and even Mac OS you can downgrade and use whatever software is available and if something new isn't then you either don't get that new piece of it or upgrade to use it. Nothing crazy goes on in the world of desktop software and no one is going crazy about users being able to use older versions of the OS.
Yes but iPad 3 is two generation behind from iPad Air. And it is a lot bigger from iPhone 4, so it uses more power to process the screen on iOS7 on the iPad.
I think that 7.1 should be 7.0 but i am still glad that they work on it to improve it.
+ the iPad 2 should benefit from 7.1 as well.
A class action is kind of too harsh.
I would feel like supporting it if my only iPhone was an iPhone 4 and after upgrading it to iOS 7 it no longer works at all. Let me be clear that one thing is it performing slowly than before, and in my case it isn't working at all.
If the developers are facing difficulties developing new software for old devices in Android that is their problem.
The issue I'm experiencing is with Apple stock apps.
If the hardware is the limiting factor, then the OS should be fit to run if there is an official release.
We are not talking here on a jailbreak or a hack, which by the way sometimes make the phones work better than...maybe I'll give that a try and see how it works in the meantime...
Anyway, can we summarize out of this thread how many people are experiencing each of these:
- Slow performance but it still works?
- Slow performance and it doesn't work?
- Works fine no issues
- Works better it is faster
McGiord - I have been only able to attempt using the Music App and it freezes to death with a black screen, the battery dies and reboots itself. Doesn't respond to power off or resetting holding the buttons.
Please provide your input with your comments.
I would feel like supporting it if my only iPhone was an iPhone 4 and after upgrading it to iOS 7 it no longer works at all. Let me be clear that one thing is it performing slowly than before, and in my case it isn't working at all.
If the developers are facing difficulties developing new software for old devices in Android that is their problem.
The issue I'm experiencing is with Apple stock apps.
If the hardware is the limiting factor, then the OS should be fit to run if there is an official release.
We are not talking here on a jailbreak or a hack, which by the way sometimes make the phones work better than...maybe I'll give that a try and see how it works in the meantime...
Anyway, can we summarize out of this thread how many people are experiencing each of these:
- Slow performance but it still works?
- Slow performance and it doesn't work?
- Works fine no issues
- Works better it is faster
McGiord - I have been only able to attempt using the Music App and it freezes to death with a black screen, the battery dies and reboots itself. Doesn't respond to power off or resetting holding the buttons.
Please provide your input with your comments.
Really well put. Some Apple fanboys' "go and purchase the latest model if you aren't happy with the degraded performance" can be very tiring as they all seem to forget to add "Apple should allow for downgrading".
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As a seasoned dev that started releasing mostly mapping-specific AppStore apps back in the iOS 3.x times (and having been updating mostly the same apps' engine in the last 3-4 years) let me disagree.
If you have legacy iOS code, it's VERY easy to just make sure it runs flawlessly on the latets iOS versions. With my about several hundred class-apps, it took me about 1-2 days to find the cause (and, then, fix them) for problems under iOS7 when it was released. I do use some runtime iOS version checking in my code to use separate code for, say, camera re-initialization (something iOS7 has broken) in the code but it hasn't made the code unmanageable.
In addition, in general, most third-party libs I use maintain compatibility with iOS4 (e.g., ZXing) or iOS5 (e.g., the current version of ShareKit). That is, it's pretty much possible to stay compatible with old iOS versions even if you heavily use third-party libs.
Basically, it's only when starting brand news apps that starting off iOS6/7+ only can be a much easier choice - for example, to make use of Auto Layouts. And, of course, when you use new API's (but they can also be made optional). For maintaining existing code and, occasionally, adding new features to them (unless they're entirely dependent on otherwise non-achievable API functionality like, say, the camera's near/far focusing preferences or initializing a NSMutableAttributedString with freeform HTML without using third-party libs like DTCoreText), however, it's generally easy to stay compatible with old iOS versions.
I tried one more time to restore the iPhone 4 with my Mac in iTunes. And it hasn't failed like before since then. Only the Music quits unexpectedly while playing a radio station, then i re-started it and so far it has been working fine for the last 40 minutes, before this it failed after 5 minutes.
i hope this stays working well.
I set it up as a new phone, as I mentioned I am aiming to use it as an iPod.
My suggestion is to give it another try by restoring your iPhone 4 with iOS 7 using iTunes.
i hope this stays working well.
I set it up as a new phone, as I mentioned I am aiming to use it as an iPod.
My suggestion is to give it another try by restoring your iPhone 4 with iOS 7 using iTunes.
In reading this thread , it seems pretty clear that some people are having problems of one degree or another. For those I feel bad for and hope that once 7.1 is released you will be happy again for the most part. Now to the point of my entry, I have 2 iPhone 4s and a fourth generation iPad. All of which have been updated to the current 7.04 with no noticeable decline in performance. Is it possible that any or all of my i products could have issues that I haven't found? yeah I guess that's possible. My point is unless someone is having a very noticeable problem they most likely are not on here looking to find a problem. For some that come to read up just might have been very happy until they read about a problem and then going in search of it on their own device. For me I was not forced into doing updates on none of the 3 devices and don't personally know of anyone that updated without making the choice on their own.
I wish you all the best of luck that when 7.1 come out that it returns your investment back to where you were happy.
I wish you all the best of luck that when 7.1 come out that it returns your investment back to where you were happy.