Don't forget that we are pushed to run the latest software without any way of going back. Unless now we're able to downgrade to iOS 5 and I didn't know about that.
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Any Class Action over iOS 7 on iPhone 4?
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Don't forget that we are pushed to run the latest software without any way of going back. Unless now we're able to downgrade to iOS 5 and I didn't know about that.
Yesterday I installed iOS 7.04 on an old iPhone 4 (from 2010) over quite a fresh iOS 6.01. I've always been one of the biggest iOS 7 critics but I am surprised of its performance so far. The only thing that annoys me so far is a longer loading phone app (even it's tabs) and lag whenever you hit the first letter in a popped up keyboard (also when loading "123" extra keyboard pages) Hopefully they will fix this in iOS 7.1.
I can't explain the differences in user experience. Maybe there are different hardware revisions which lead to lower performance or certain 3rd party apps somehow slow down the system. I will continue to closely watch my performance.
However, I believe those reports, I've seen the lags and bugs myself on my iPad 4, and I morally support any class action of affected users. It's a shame Apple released a buggy and in some cases laggy OS that even destroys some phones (iPhone 4s WLAN bug).
I can't explain the differences in user experience. Maybe there are different hardware revisions which lead to lower performance or certain 3rd party apps somehow slow down the system. I will continue to closely watch my performance.
However, I believe those reports, I've seen the lags and bugs myself on my iPad 4, and I morally support any class action of affected users. It's a shame Apple released a buggy and in some cases laggy OS that even destroys some phones (iPhone 4s WLAN bug).
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Absolutely agreed. Also add the actual removal of certain features from "old" models - like the 60p recording mode from the 4S (thread: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1648048/ ). It's also in Apple "let's force people to purchase the new model" repertoire...
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Your analogy is flawed. Apple customers certainly pay for a given set of features and an, at the time of purchase, with the given OS version, flawless, lag-free etc. experience.
Taking away these (again, you pay for having decent, lag-free device) is shady practice. It's in no way comparable to a school firing someone.
I have a 3GS on iOS 6 and it runs fine. All the animations are smooth, apps load pretty quick and the battery life is still decent. A better example would be the iPhone 3G on iOS 4. That was unusable!
Hummm...
So you expect a 3 1/2 year old piece of technology to support the newest and best operating system - WRONG !
And who was forced to iOS7 anyway - many have chosen to stay on iOS6 since warning of a lag when using an iPhone 4 on iOS7 has been widely circulated.
The world of technology spins very fast today. If you expect to stay current, you must upgrade.
What is the saying - "You must pay to play".
I suspect any civil litigation will fall flat on it's face for lack of merit.
All that said, if Apple were to enable the option to return to iOS6 for "outdated" devices, it would stop much of this sour grapes verbiage.
So you expect a 3 1/2 year old piece of technology to support the newest and best operating system - WRONG !
And who was forced to iOS7 anyway - many have chosen to stay on iOS6 since warning of a lag when using an iPhone 4 on iOS7 has been widely circulated.
The world of technology spins very fast today. If you expect to stay current, you must upgrade.
What is the saying - "You must pay to play".
I suspect any civil litigation will fall flat on it's face for lack of merit.
All that said, if Apple were to enable the option to return to iOS6 for "outdated" devices, it would stop much of this sour grapes verbiage.
If I were a judge I'd never accept ruling a case like this. Suing a company because late 2013 software doesn't run properly on a 2010 device is just ludicrous.
This is the thing that annoys me about Apple culture (and the brand is to blame in that respect): it's this sense of self entitlement that some users have that they're allowed lifetime support for their products!
You don't see gamers wanting to sue EA because a 2014 game doesn't run on a 2008 laptop, do you?
Get a fearing grip. That failing, get a new phone.
This is the thing that annoys me about Apple culture (and the brand is to blame in that respect): it's this sense of self entitlement that some users have that they're allowed lifetime support for their products!
You don't see gamers wanting to sue EA because a 2014 game doesn't run on a 2008 laptop, do you?
Get a fearing grip. That failing, get a new phone.
Even if there was, the only result of said suit would be that the lawyers would get millions, the consumers will get a coupon or gift card for something like 10 dollars on their next apple purchase. Class Action suits do nothing other then make lawyers rich
While you're right, I'd still add one thing:
1. Apple should not force users to upgrade (see restoration / signing) and/or
2. Apple should let for downgrading.
No other device (or, for that matter, desktop OS) manufacturer forces their users to upgrade and make it impossible to downgrade. This is the major difference between Apple and the rest of the IT / consumer electronics sector.
Ok, I just emailed Tim Cook requesting a replacement. I'll let you know what he says
Oh that's easy. I can tell you what he says. It'll be 2 words. The first word is 4 letters and second word is "off". If you can figure out the first word then you're a winner!
I dont think anyone was expecting or demanding that iOS 7 supported the iPhone 4. What upsets people is, APPLE chose to support it for whatever reason and then encouraged users to upgrade even though they knew the performance was poor. Then they topped it off by preventing people from downgrading.
You might say people should have researched before upgrading, but you need to remember that the average iPhone user is not a technology geek, the thought of checking how the latest version of iOS will run on their device wouldn't even enter their minds.
Lol, that's not the point. If you (apple) aren't able to release an upgrade that ''''''just works'''''' as expected, well, don't release it.
They should give a warning/disclaimer to the end users: be carefull, because you phone will be slow and buggy as hell.
my iOS7 on iPhone 4 upgrade was great. things were slightly faster and overall no issues, except the new multi-tasking or safari tabs which i could understand.
My sister-in-law has had lots of issues on her iPhone 4 with iOS7.
I was offered an iPhone 5S from work so took that and it has been fine there.
I never saw any issues with iOS7 on the iP4. in fact, I upgraded before a vacation and never thought there was any difference there either where i was sorry i upgraded.
**sorry
My sister-in-law has had lots of issues on her iPhone 4 with iOS7.
I was offered an iPhone 5S from work so took that and it has been fine there.
I never saw any issues with iOS7 on the iP4. in fact, I upgraded before a vacation and never thought there was any difference there either where i was sorry i upgraded.
**sorry
I have an iPhone 4 with iOS7.
Either upgrade to a newer phone, accept it as it is, or downgrade to iOS6.
Apple can't win. I bet if they didn't release iOS7, everyone with an older device will moan, start petitions, saying we want the upgrade.
I think the upgrade is fine. Sure, it's not as quick as iOS6 but then, why should it be? The iPhone 4 is getting on a bit now. I am surprised it's still receiving updates!
I am loving iOS7. I accept it for what it is and when it becomes too slow, games, apps, too slow. I will upgrade it.
Either upgrade to a newer phone, accept it as it is, or downgrade to iOS6.
Apple can't win. I bet if they didn't release iOS7, everyone with an older device will moan, start petitions, saying we want the upgrade.
I think the upgrade is fine. Sure, it's not as quick as iOS6 but then, why should it be? The iPhone 4 is getting on a bit now. I am surprised it's still receiving updates!
I am loving iOS7. I accept it for what it is and when it becomes too slow, games, apps, too slow. I will upgrade it.
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That's the problem. I wouldn't bother posting to this thread if Apple allowed downgrading.
I don't really want to sue Apple!
I don't want money from Apple!
I just want an "official" option to downgrade! I guess Apple can't figure out how to offer a downgrade!
Some of you say the iPhone 4 is old and 'deal with it', etc. Well, Apple cuts off updates to old devices for a reason, right? Based on your logic they should have allowed iOS7 for the 3 and 3G and we should just be ok with it.
They should give a downgrade option OR not have allowed iOS 7 on the 4 at all!
I don't want money from Apple!
I just want an "official" option to downgrade! I guess Apple can't figure out how to offer a downgrade!
Some of you say the iPhone 4 is old and 'deal with it', etc. Well, Apple cuts off updates to old devices for a reason, right? Based on your logic they should have allowed iOS7 for the 3 and 3G and we should just be ok with it.
They should give a downgrade option OR not have allowed iOS 7 on the 4 at all!
I hope not. There is the under lying fact that you didn't have to update.
I have a older iPhone 4 that was updated with i0S7 and yes it drags some, but the is it be expected with newer software and older hardware.
I've recently tried the IP4 on iOS 7, is runs better than the 3G on iOS 4 and technically speaking the 3G was 4 years old at the time. Plus you get most of the features.
iPhone1,1 to iPhone1,2 - It's all in the code names
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=1827&idPhone2=2424
There's always ppl seeking a class action law suit for ppl not allowing to upgrade and another one for ppl who upgraded & their old devices runs horrifically slow.
Apple will never allow us to downgrade, there's only one older iOS ver is still being magically signed even from this day.
iPhone1,1 to iPhone1,2 - It's all in the code names
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=1827&idPhone2=2424
There's always ppl seeking a class action law suit for ppl not allowing to upgrade and another one for ppl who upgraded & their old devices runs horrifically slow.
Apple will never allow us to downgrade, there's only one older iOS ver is still being magically signed even from this day.
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If Apple actually makes it available (as they have with iOS 7), then they are actually the ones who are saying that it should support "the newest and best operating system". If that isn't the case, or shouldn't be the case, then Apple shouldn't be making it available, right? Right.
As usual, C DM with the voice of reason.
I will reemphasize that the iPhone 4 was still being sold as brand new by Apple just months ago. It is still a supported device for software. It is not too much to expect an Apple phone to run properly after a few months
I actually have and use an iPhone 4 with iOS7. Does it suck? Is it slow? No, it's perfectly usable. Obviously it won't be as fluid as a newer iOS 7 device but it runs really well. It's great Apple supported the iPhone 4.
To be still using the same phone for 3 years+ is testament to Apple for making a quality phone and providing updates.
Don't forget the iOS 7 update will be designed to work with the iPhone 4 without any apps on there. It works perfect and fluid. You install apps like Facebook and the iPhone 4 feels a bit sluggish. Hardly apple's fault.
Do a factory reset and use the phone without any apps, does it works ok is it fluid, great to use? Of Course, I have the same phone and know what it's like.
It is 2014 now 1994. You should know how tech and os updates work by now.