Any hip hop fans????

[AAPLaday]

My favorite genre of music is Electronic music but i HATE "modern" hip hop the REAL hip hop is oldschool hip hop,some of my favorites:

run dmc
kwame
special ed
big daddy kane
ll kool j
slick rick
gang star
wu-tang
public enemy
nas
cypress hill
3rd bass
house of pain
rob bass
grand master flash
tribe called quest

I think i just schooled some of you...

Only 3rd bass out of that list that im not feeling. I have loads of old school as well as current. Theres lots of good new hiphop but unlike back in the day, you have to look harder for it now.

Slum Village, Cunninglynguists, 9th wonder, Little Brother, Zion I, Talib Kweli, Sha Stimuli, A.G, DITC, OC, Rasco, Planet Asia, RA The Rugged Man, Black Milk, Guilty Simpson, Phat Kat, Immortal Technique, Gift Of Gab, Supernatural, Blackalicious, Justus League, Apathy, Akrobatik, Mr Lif, Jedi Mind Tricks, Fashawn

Lots of good new hip hop

 

[partyBoy]

Just because it's old doesn't mean it's better than some of the newer stuff. There are 30+ years of evolution in Hip-Hop with a great mesh of differentiators and styles. The music is changing with the times and culture, we can either accept it or bemoan it.

Evolution is not always good,it either could go good or bad,in terms of hip hop it has turned into garbage...especially lyrics in "modern" hip hop,you are probably like 21 yrs old or something,you will learn. Hip hop is dead !

 

[RawBert]

^^ I totally agree.

It died when mofos started with the "grills" on their videos. I mean, c'mon! Eazy would roll over in his grave if he saw some of this cRAP.

 

[partyBoy]

Only 3rd bass out of that list that im not feeling. Theres lots of good new hiphop but unlike back in the day, you have to look harder for it now.

3RD BASS had awesome hip hop,are you crazy?

^^ I totally agree.

It died when mofos started with the "grills" on their videos. I mean, c'mon! Eazy would roll over in his grave if he saw some of this cRAP.

You my friend have good taste

 

[AAPLaday]

3RD BASS had awesome hip hop,are you crazy

Im not saying they didn't, i just never really felt them. Same with De La Soul. I like some tracks but not all of theirs. Loved Kool G Rap though. Could never get enough of him. Big Daddy Kane too

 

[TwinCities Dan]

I think i just schooled some of you...

Please...

Just because it's old doesn't mean it's better than some of the newer stuff. There are 30+ years of evolution in Hip-Hop with a great mesh of differentiators and styles. The music is changing with the times and culture, we can either accept it or bemoan it.

Exactly! The scene has expanded exponentially since the early days. Artists change, evolve, and build off each other. Some good, some bad. I agree about the flashy "Gangsta Rap", all the jewels and lavish living is kinda hard to relate to for me so I don't listen to that sub-genre of Hip Hop. But there is so much more than that if you dig a little deeper.

To quote Brother Ali:
"I ain't tryin' to hear about you sippin Crystal in the Bahamas
When I'm drinkin Nestle Quik on a crowed bus full of mexicanas"

AAPLaday just provided an excellent list of who's really killin' it nowadays in the underground, I would respectfully add the Rhymesayers camp (Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Sage Francis, Eyedea (RIP), Doomtree, P.O.S., MF Doom), Def Jux, Living Legends, etc.

Hip hop's culture (Rhyming, DJin', Break dancin' and Graffiti) is bigger than blinged out whips, grills, and guns. That's all hollywood.

Hip hop is dead !

"Whoever said that must've fell and hit his head"

You're blanket statements are cliché, ridiculous, and insulting.

Take your glowsticks and pixie dust back to the rave...

 

[partyBoy]

Take your glowsticks and pixie dust back to the rave...

That is a stereo type,i dont like glowsticks and raves dont exist since the 1990's and what is pixie dust

 

[wvuwhat]

Another shout out to Kid Cudi.

And "partyboy" I don't think your avatar with the faux hawk and your posts on the "recent purchase" picture thread are really helping your cause here...

 

[Liquorpuki]

Evolution is not always good,it either could go good or bad,in terms of hip hop it has turned into garbage...especially lyrics in "modern" hip hop,you are probably like 21 yrs old or something,you will learn. Hip hop is dead !

People say that every time the music changes
- They said hiphop was dead when No Limit was all over the air and the Southern movement started
- Then they said it during the East Coast - West Coast feuds
- They said it died when Bad Boy was rappin about money
- They said it when G-Funk was all over the radio undoing what De La Soul did
- They said it was dead when Del La Soul got popular and was undoing what NWA did

I can't remember a time where hiphop actually died. Yet every few years someone will swear it's dead.

 

[RawBert]

Obviously it hasn't died. When people say it's dead, it's because to them personally it is.
And to ME, current Hip Hop ain't sh:: to 80's and 90's rap/hip hop. But it's not dead because I listen to NWA, Dre, Snoop, Pac and Bone all the time.

I really enjoy this thread. I guess people are pretty opinionated/passionate when it comes to their Rap. I know I always have been. But I thought it was cause I'm from SC LA.

 

[AAPLaday]

AAPLaday just provided an excellent list of who's really killin' it nowadays in the underground, I would respectfully add the Rhymesayers camp (Atmosphere, Brother Ali, Sage Francis, Eyedea (RIP), Doomtree, P.O.S., MF Doom), Def Jux, Living Legends, etc.

Yeah those are more than worthy additions. Murs is excellent and consistent. Company flow too Love that Company flow track on Soundbombing 2 called Patriotism

 

[partyBoy]

My favorite genre of music is Electronic music but i HATE "modern" hip hop the REAL hip hop is oldschool hip hop,some of my favorites:

run dmc
kwame
special ed
big daddy kane
ll kool j
slick rick
gang star
wu-tang
public enemy
nas
cypress hill
3rd bass
house of pain
rob bass
grand master flash
tribe called quest

I think i just schooled some of you...

Ooh i forgot these:

cool c
brand nubian
chub rock
lords of the underground
das efx
fu-Schnickens
poor righteous teachers
Naughty By Nature
kool moe dee
x-clan

Real hip hop

 

[Liquorpuki]

Obviously it hasn't died. When people say it's dead, it's because to them personally it is.
And to ME, current Hip Hop ain't sh:: to 80's and 90's rap/hip hop. But it's not dead because I listen to NWA, Dre, Snoop, Pac and Bone all the time.

I really enjoy this thread. I guess people are pretty opinionated/passionate when it comes to their Rap. I know I always have been. But I thought it was cause I'm from SC LA.

Sounds like you're a G-Funk fan... Detox is coming out soon

Personally I always find something cool that I can bump. PUTS has been my favorite group since 98. I've been listening to Living Legends since the early 90's when everything they put out was on tape. I even got some Arata songs even though I have no clue what he's saying

 

[Mag1c22]

i just jumped into the thread and didn't read through it all, i'm sorry if this has been brought up.


Thoughts on Wiz Khalifa?

Lupe Fiasco (his new album "Lasers" comes out in march, you can find a couple songs on the internet)?

Jay cole?

 

[RawBert]

Sounds like you're a G-Funk fan... Detox is coming out soon

Personally I always find something cool that I can bump. PUTS has been my favorite group since 98. I've been listening to Living Legends since the early 90's when everything they put out was on tape. I even got some Arata songs even though I have no clue what he's saying

Hell yeah.

On that note, G-Funk was conceived in the mind of Cold 187um from Above the Law. Contrary to the popular belief that Dre was the first. I couldn't believe when I read that on Wikipedia. It's great that it's acknowledged.

Wikipedia: G-Funk
There has been some debate over who should be considered the "father of G-funk." Dr. Dre is generally believed to have developed the sound, but Cold187um and KMG of Above the Law have claimed that they originated the sound. They claim that Dr. Dre did not credit the group for pioneering the style when he released “The Chronic”, his Death Row debut album. They both released records on Ruthless Records prior to this. Warren G and Snoop Dogg were with Cold187um before joining Dr. Dre and Death Row. On Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle album, Warren G and Daz Dillinger claim they produced "Ain't No Fun," even though Dre is credited as the album's sole producer.

My favorite of his produced albums are Above the Law - Legends and Kokane - Funk Upon a Rhyme. Some of the best sounding music eva.

 

[AAPLaday]

Real Hiphop Lord Finesse vs Percee P

 

[Liquorpuki]

My favorite of his produced albums are Above the Law - Legends and Kokane - Funk Upon a Rhyme. Some of the best sounding music eva.

Word. My favorite G-Funk song = Foesum's "Some Things Never Change". I bumped this so many times when I was younger, it just brings back memories

 

[japasneezemonk]

Evolution is not always good,it either could go good or bad,in terms of hip hop it has turned into garbage...especially lyrics in "modern" hip hop,you are probably like 21 yrs old or something,you will learn. Hip hop is dead !

I was born in 1983, so realistically I missed out on much of the early hip hop and its cultural landscape, however, I feel like that at this point I have a pretty good grip on the genre. As far as lyrics go, we'll there has been crap since the begining. Plus, really good hip hop has never been a financial success.

 

[partyBoy]

Plus, really good hip hop has never been a financial success.

It has never been about the money, its about the music...when will they ever learn !

 

[japasneezemonk]

It has never been about the money, its about the music...when will they ever learn !

I'm not sure if I'm misinterpreting your reply. Nonetheless, I would think we both agree that financial success and good management will make or break businesses. Whether it's a band with good music, a nice little restaurant with awesome food, or a tech start-up with the best idea in the world. At some point, they all need to make money, and lot's of it. Personally, I dislike the idea of working for free. Not getting paid sucks, I have to pay a mortgage, car notes, insurance, food, etc... As much as I like my job I would get fired if I wasn't making a nice chunk of change for the company I work for. In our case, good music lives and survives on the terms dictated by the capitalist society that consumes it. If a good artist can make a good living making music then it will live on, otherwise they will move on and do something else, maybe even make some crappy music.

 

[Liquorpuki]

It has never been about the money, its about the music...when will they ever learn !

Sure, and that's why Eric B and Rakim called their debut album "Paid in Full" and rocked dookies on the cover. Because money had nothing to do with it back then

 

[Liquorpuki]

Plus, really good hip hop has never been a financial success.

Run DMC, Boogie Down, Native Tongues, NWA, Juice Crew, Beastie Boys, Gang Starr, Common, West Coast G-Funk, Wu Tang, Jay Z, Kanye West = all good hiphop, all financial successes

 

[japasneezemonk]

Run DMC, Boogie Down, Native Tongues, NWA, Juice Crew, Beastie Boys, Gang Starr, Common, West Coast G-Funk, Wu Tang, Jay Z, Kanye West = all good hiphop, all financial successes

You're right. I just meant that some really good underground acts have never been able to make it in the mainstream, e.g: Typical Cats, Second Nature, People under the stairs, etc... Then again, good music alone isn't enough. Artists usually need good marketing and promotion, branding, etc...

 

[Liquorpuki]

You're right. I just meant that some really good underground acts have never been able to make it in the mainstream, e.g: Typical Cats, Second Nature, People under the stairs, etc... Then again, good music alone isn't enough. Artists usually need good marketing and promotion, branding, etc...

I don't think most underground acts really care about becoming stars or aim to be in a position where they could be stars. People Under the Stairs has been my favorite group since 98 (I have every album of theirs except that American Men Vol 1). I don't think they've ever made a club banger or something easily accessible. Same with Typical Cats... Denizen Kane comes from a slam background so his part poetry/singing/rap style is too odd to get radio play.

But plenty of underground acts have blown up. The Pharcyde was rappin at the Good Life and then they dropped Bizarre Ride and blew up. Wu Tang was a bunch of underground artists pooled together. Eminem is probably the biggest underground blow up I can think of - I remember hearing him back in his Infinite days and picking up his EP from Fat Beats. Way back when Rawkus was around, Mos Def, High and Mighty, and even Mad Skills were getting radio play. Jurassic 5 was all over the radio before they split up. And the Roots were very underground before. Now everyone and their mom knows what Questlove looks like.

 

[japasneezemonk]

I don't think most underground acts really care about becoming stars or aim to be in a position where they could be stars. People Under the Stairs has been my favorite group since 98 (I have every album of theirs except that American Men Vol 1). I don't think they've ever made a club banger or something easily accessible. Same with Typical Cats... Denizen Kane comes from a slam background so his part poetry/singing/rap style is too odd to get radio play.

But plenty of underground acts have blown up. The Pharcyde was rappin at the Good Life and then they dropped Bizarre Ride and blew up. Wu Tang was a bunch of underground artists pooled together. Eminem is probably the biggest underground blow up I can think of - I remember hearing him back in his Infinite days and picking up his EP from Fat Beats. Way back when Rawkus was around, Mos Def, High and Mighty, and even Mad Skills were getting radio play. Jurassic 5 was all over the radio before they split up. And the Roots were very underground before. Now everyone and their mom knows what Questlove looks like.

I agree.