But other phones with AOD and high refresh rate displays don't have iOS, they have android.
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iPhone 16/Plus Any love for the standard iPhone 16?
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One more thing, beyond the size and weight, the weight distribution is better on the 16. 16pro seems top heavy. Making it even harder for one handed use when caseless.
This might be negligible with a case. But that’s even more added weight.
This might be negligible with a case. But that’s even more added weight.
If you are one of the lucky ones that can't notice the difference at all or just slightly to not be bothered, between 60hz and 120hz animations, this is a fantastic iPhone and a no brainer. Being used to 120hz iPhones for years, I just can't get past the animation stutter whenever launching and minimizing apps (especially minimizing). It's so pronounced to me now. And believe me, I tried both last year and this year. It could easily be my favourite iPhone of all time if I didn't notice it. If they just made it 90hz, I think it would fix it for me visually. Hoping the rumours are true and the non pros will get 120hz next year. I will instantly switch back then. The weight reduction and texture is preferable over the pros's.
I am playing around with limiting the frame rate to 60 and turning on reduce motion in accessibility settings to see if that is a way around it on my current Pro Max. If I can get used to this, I may opt for the 16 Plus this year.
I am playing around with limiting the frame rate to 60 and turning on reduce motion in accessibility settings to see if that is a way around it on my current Pro Max. If I can get used to this, I may opt for the 16 Plus this year.
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I think the non pro is the better phone this year.
Lighter, better in hand, better PWM, cheaper.
Of course not the third camera and super video features. But who needs it.
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the reduce motion trick (i heard it first on reddit) has been a game changer for this IMO. Animations can't shudder when they don't exist.
Oh wow. That was like I just involuntary attended a board meeting. Phhyw.I don't think iPhones are selling in larger numbers than 10 years ago. There is a reason that Apple stopped reporting sales numbers arounc the 2016-2017 period and switched to only reporting revenues. MacRumours tracks the data from the quarterly reports - you can see the latest data below (and at this link)
~10 years ago was the iPhone 6 supercycle. If we look at the blue peak around the "Q1 15" period you can see the revenue is $75bn (total revenue) minus ~$25bn (non-iPhone revenues) = $50bn. The trough between the iPhone 6 & 6S showed a revenue of $50bn (total revenue) minus ~$15bn (non-iPhone revenues) = $35bn.
You pointed out the iPhone 13 being a recent highlight - that is the third peak from the right. The peak revenue is $125bn (total revenues) minus $50bn (non-iPhone revenues) = $75bn. The trough period following this peak is ~$85bn (total revenue) minus ~$40bn = $45bn.
Therefore you can see that over the last ~10 years the iPhone revenues have increased 50% from $50bn to $75bn (peak) and 30% from $35bn to $45bn (trough) - clearly not the "orders of magnitude" you claim.
The US SIM free starting prices were $649 (iPhone 6) and $749 (iPhone 6 Plus). The iPhone 13 equivalent range starting prices were $799 (non-pro), $999 (Pro) and $1,099 (Pro Max) showing that the increasing revenues are down to increasing the ASP via increase the basic price and pushing people up the pricing ladder.
These numbers seem off a bit. But either way, if they are accurate, you pretty much have to disregard 21 to 23 results. The pandemic stay at home boredom and stimulus check inflated sales create havoc for comparisons like these. It's better to almost YOY 2024 against 2019 to really see an organic trend. If you do that, the growth has been pretty healthy.I don't think iPhones are selling in larger numbers than 10 years ago. There is a reason that Apple stopped reporting sales numbers arounc the 2016-2017 period and switched to only reporting revenues. MacRumours tracks the data from the quarterly reports - you can see the latest data below (and at this link)
~10 years ago was the iPhone 6 supercycle. If we look at the blue peak around the "Q1 15" period you can see the revenue is $75bn (total revenue) minus ~$25bn (non-iPhone revenues) = $50bn. The trough between the iPhone 6 & 6S showed a revenue of $50bn (total revenue) minus ~$15bn (non-iPhone revenues) = $35bn.
You pointed out the iPhone 13 being a recent highlight - that is the third peak from the right. The peak revenue is $125bn (total revenues) minus $50bn (non-iPhone revenues) = $75bn. The trough period following this peak is ~$85bn (total revenue) minus ~$40bn = $45bn.
Therefore you can see that over the last ~10 years the iPhone revenues have increased 50% from $50bn to $75bn (peak) and 30% from $35bn to $45bn (trough) - clearly not the "orders of magnitude" you claim.
The US SIM free starting prices were $649 (iPhone 6) and $749 (iPhone 6 Plus). The iPhone 13 equivalent range starting prices were $799 (non-pro), $999 (Pro) and $1,099 (Pro Max) showing that the increasing revenues are down to increasing the ASP via increase the basic price and pushing people up the pricing ladder.
It has been mostly shudder free. I do notice it when swiping between home screens still. And also in certain apps that still use the parallax animation like Safari when you are jumping between open tabs. But I agree, the main culprit was the launch/minimizing animation of apps in Home Screen. And it's no longer there to stutter. Not sure if I miss the animations though...
I see it the same way. A premium phone should be thin and light and run cool.
That is a premium feature for any phone. Steve Jobs design philosophy was thin and light. That's the way he wanted his mobile products.
I returned my 16 pro 512/Black for a 16 Plus 512/Black.
Best decision no question. Bigger screen while being thin and light. A more comfortable user experience. I cannot see a difference between 120hz and 60hz and the 5x zoom I don't care about.
But I get a lighter thinner device with a bigger screen. Win, win.
Not so far this year. The regular 16s are out selling the pro models. The 16 plus is up 48 percent from last year. The 16 is up 10 percent.
The 16 pro max is down 16 percent from last year and the 16 pro is down 27 percent according to Kuo for presales this year.
Kuo Grumman and others say the same thing every year. Kuo and Gruman said iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max production was going to cut and demand slowed down just before the holidays. We know that was best iPhone quarter ever. Rinse and repeat every year. Just like a broken clock is right, they will get it one of those years.
Believe it or not, I really can tell the difference between 60 and 120hz, but the form factor and weight of the phone are much more important to me.
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The majority of the mobile market use Android so I'm sure they would say that is a good thing.
Same move 16pro to 16plus
Better thermals lighter (same weight but larger device) feels thinner better weight distribution
Substantially better battery life
A cleaner OLED panel in my case
A new feeling design from the back with the camera bulge vs the same 3 cam design since iPhone 11 Pro
Low power mode with animations looks fine to me on the display. LPM with a pro device is CHONKY
Don't understand.
As far as I know the 16 Pro has better thermals, better battery and a better display?!
that mostly wasn’t my experience
Battery life weaker than my 14 pro max, phone could be toasty at times especially charging but to be fair usually cool as well just more temperamental. Battery drain was palpable
And better display: as far as 120 hz and slimmer bezel yes. But my unit had a tint off axis and was warm and a little more two toned than I’d have liked. It was subtle the two toned but def bothersome
My 16 plus looks clean to my eyes and I don’t have any underlying weirdness that makes me second guess
Could very well be panel lottery I concede. But I think I lost the lotto if that’s the case
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I've always had a "Pro" iphone.
This year I went from the 14 Pro to the 16 and I don't regret the decision. The 60 Hz is noticeable at first, but it is nowhere near the absolute travesty that YouTube/Social Media/Forums would lead you to believe. The phone still feels quick and snappy, and unless I am scrolling as fast as I humanly can there is next to no difference.
The camera is very very good as well. Can't really tell the difference between the photos I take with it and photos taken with earlier "Pro" models. My wife has the 13 mini and honestly I felt it too better photos than my 14 pro at times.
The biggest difference... the weight. I love having a lighter phone. It actually feels like a better built device. The 14 Pro especially was top heavy, and unwieldy to hold.
This year I went from the 14 Pro to the 16 and I don't regret the decision. The 60 Hz is noticeable at first, but it is nowhere near the absolute travesty that YouTube/Social Media/Forums would lead you to believe. The phone still feels quick and snappy, and unless I am scrolling as fast as I humanly can there is next to no difference.
The camera is very very good as well. Can't really tell the difference between the photos I take with it and photos taken with earlier "Pro" models. My wife has the 13 mini and honestly I felt it too better photos than my 14 pro at times.
The biggest difference... the weight. I love having a lighter phone. It actually feels like a better built device. The 14 Pro especially was top heavy, and unwieldy to hold.
So I have a new (this year) ipad pro that should have 120hz, vs. iphone 13 mini that doesn’t (correct me if i’m mistaken)… how do I tell the difference that people describe 120hz makes? From my meager understanding of it, scrolling text / images appear blurry with 60hz, but not with 120hz? Just curious, thanks for any pointers.
Yeah I can’t tell the difference myself. I thought when I got an ipad that had 120, I’d be able to compare and notice it but … nope.
Nice pics, and descriptions. I’m right there with you, the mini is great and I look at my family and friends’ larger phones with… maybe 10% (more like 5%) admiration or appreciation how nicer it is to have a bigger screen, then I remember how much better it is to have something that (still only somewhat) fits in pockets as my “mini”… coming from 3gs, 4S, 7 models those are the biggest size I want. And I remember how I have an ipad and a laptop nearby for larger viewing needs.
Anyway, enjoy your 16, the teal is a lovely color and the clear cases look great too.
If we’re lucky we’ll get another mini-sized phone again in 1, 2, 3 years, if not I’ll bite the bullet eventually and get whatever I need to when the 13 mini breaks down.
Certain animations are smoother at 120hz, for instance when you swipe up from the bottom of the screen to dismiss an app... with ProMotion it's completely smooth, without you can see a slight bit of jumpiness / dropped frames. It's hard to spot because the entire animation takes only about 0.3 seconds. The jumpiness can also show up during fast scrolling. I think most people can't notice the difference, but for the 5-10% of people who can, they really appreciate that buttery-smoothness.
can't do the regular models, the screen refresh rate is terrible and looks jello to me compared to the pro.