iPhone 16/Plus Any love for the standard iPhone 16?

Kuo Grumman and others say the same thing every year. Kuo and Gruman said iPhone 13 Pro and Pro Max production was going to cut and demand slowed down just before the holidays. We know that was best iPhone quarter ever. Rinse and repeat every year. Just like a broken clock is right, they will get it one of those years.
Actually they dont. This is the first time in 4 years that there were reports that the regular 16s are selling the pros. Its easy to see why, as there isn’t much difference between them this year.
This is the first time since the pros were released that the differences between them were so little.
 
Actually they dont. This is the first time in 4 years that there were reports that the regular 16s are selling the pros. Its easy to see why, as there isn’t much difference between them this year.
This is the first time since the pros were released that the differences between them were so little.
This has probably held back the yearly switchers who often have gone with the pros, but I think not the other ones coming from older phones. It’s interesting to see the regulars taking over more of the shares of the pros, but that will change next year I highly suspect with new air and all.
 
I received the iPhone 16 (Teal) yesterday and oh boy, I love it. Everyone's different, but this phone suits me much better than the pro.

Subjective opinion:

- It looks better
- It feels better (lighter and not top-heavy)
- It doesn't give me motion sickness*
- It's snappy and fast
- It has all the features I need

*The 16 Pro gave me motion sickness. My theory (could be wrong) is that it's due to way ProMotion adapts the hz of the screen depending on the situation, whereas the 60hz of the standard 16 remains consistent. In other words, my body prefers the predictability of a consistent movement speed. There may be a better explanation out there!
 

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I received the iPhone 16 (Teal) yesterday and oh boy, I love it. Everyone's different, but this phone suits me much better than the pro.

Subjective opinion:

- It looks better
- It feels better (lighter and not top-heavy)
- It doesn't give me motion sickness*
- It's snappy and fast
- It has all the features I need

*The 16 Pro gave me motion sickness. My theory (could be wrong) is that it's due to way ProMotion adapts the hz of the screen depending on the situation, whereas the 60hz of the standard 16 remains consistent. In other words, my body prefers the predictability of a consistent movement speed. There may be a better explanation out there!
The teal iPhone 16 from this year is really, really gorgeous. If I weren’t so stubborn to stick with my SE 3 (which I love), I would definitely get one.
 
can't do the regular models, the screen refresh rate is terrible and looks jello to me compared to the pro.
Apparently those with better eye sight don't notice it as much and I fall into that category. I use a 16 Pro Max but don't notice any problem with refresh rate when using my daughters iPhone 12. My eyes just seem to be able to process the images better, but maybe as I get older this will change.
 
Not sure where you got the chart, but the numbers you quoted sure don’t match iPhone revenue numbers reported per quarter by Apple. Apple iPhone revenue in Q1 2014, Compare it to Apple Revenue in Q1 2022-2024 is a Very simple math. Apple stopped reporting sales number because none of the other vendors were reporting and too many analysts were interpolating sales of other vendors with real numbers from Apple. It’s Hilarious to think Apple sells less phones than 10 years ago, when supply chain numbers are exponentially higher.
The bigger picture here is smart phone market wasn’t as saturated in 2013-2014, as it is today. So with more folks using smart phones, it’s clear a newer model as a proportion will have lesser overall share.
The chart came from MacRumors - it is updated everytime there is an earnings call (so an update will be coming in a few weeks). I haven't gone back to the financial statements to check if the numbers agree - I've assumed that the MacRumors staff have done that.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that overall iPhone sales have flatlined or decreased. Back in 2014 you had the combination of a supercycle (people moving to Apple due to the big screen, more people than usual upgrading because of the big screen) and this being an era where a people were upgrading their phones every 1-2 years rather than the 3-4 years today.

There is some further data that I didn't quote as it's definitely not from a primary source, but the investment analysts that follow Apple pull together estimates of shipment numbers - https://www.statista.com/statistics/276306/global-apple-iphone-sales-since-fiscal-year-2007/

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I received the iPhone 16 (Teal) yesterday and oh boy, I love it. Everyone's different, but this phone suits me much better than the pro.

Subjective opinion:

- It looks better
- It feels better (lighter and not top-heavy)
- It doesn't give me motion sickness*
- It's snappy and fast
- It has all the features I need

*The 16 Pro gave me motion sickness. My theory (could be wrong) is that it's due to way ProMotion adapts the hz of the screen depending on the situation, whereas the 60hz of the standard 16 remains consistent. In other words, my body prefers the predictability of a consistent movement speed. There may be a better explanation out there!
Congrats, that's a beauty. I'm currently using a black 16 Pro and regular ultramarine 16 (one personal, one work) and so far, I def enjoying picking up the ultramarine 16 way more. I can feel the lightness difference a lot, just melts into my pocket and disappears, while the 16 Pro, I feel the extra weight and density. Neither are bad, but def enjoying the 16 way more.

I def think the top-heavy weight of the 16 Pro is noticeable, I noticed while watching YouTube in bed holding the 16 Pro, my hand starting feeling fatigued after a while. The next night, I held the regular 16 all night watching videos in bed, and didn't feel fatigued at all. Something to consider.
 
The chart came from MacRumors - it is updated everytime there is an earnings call (so an update will be coming in a few weeks). I haven't gone back to the financial statements to check if the numbers agree - I've assumed that the MacRumors staff have done that.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that overall iPhone sales have flatlined or decreased. Back in 2014 you had the combination of a supercycle (people moving to Apple due to the big screen, more people than usual upgrading because of the big screen) and this being an era where a people were upgrading their phones every 1-2 years rather than the 3-4 years today.

There is some further data that I didn't quote as it's definitely not from a primary source, but the investment analysts that follow Apple pull together estimates of shipment numbers - https://www.statista.com/statistics/276306/global-apple-iphone-sales-since-fiscal-year-2007/

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There is also more models being sold by Apple now and iPhone prices are double at the higher end compared to 2014/15. Even if sales are less overall, the revenue has potential to be higher due to the higher retail prices making up for it. You're right too, upgrade cycles are 3 to 4 years now compared to the days when smartphones were bringing vast changes year on year 10 years ago and were cheaper. It is better for Apple to report revenue as it is impressive, but unit sales less so by comparison.
 
The chart came from MacRumors - it is updated everytime there is an earnings call (so an update will be coming in a few weeks). I haven't gone back to the financial statements to check if the numbers agree - I've assumed that the MacRumors staff have done that.

I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that overall iPhone sales have flatlined or decreased. Back in 2014 you had the combination of a supercycle (people moving to Apple due to the big screen, more people than usual upgrading because of the big screen) and this being an era where a people were upgrading their phones every 1-2 years rather than the 3-4 years today.

There is some further data that I didn't quote as it's definitely not from a primary source, but the investment analysts that follow Apple pull together estimates of shipment numbers - https://www.statista.com/statistics/276306/global-apple-iphone-sales-since-fiscal-year-2007/

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No, even by conservative estimates, iPhone sales from 10 years ago are way up, and it’s not small percentage change. Apple by estimates unit sales were in 225-250 M range, a decade ago it was around 125-150 M. The revenue is 2-2.5X now compared to 2013-2014.
Like I said a decade ago, the smart phone market wasn’t matured or saturated now. People may not upgrade often but over all smart phone and iPhone market is much larger than a decade ago. It’s just that newer models as percentage will have less share in the bigger pie.
 
I own a iPhone 14 Pro, but I’m thinking about upgrading to the standard iPhone 16. Are there enough changes to warrant the upgrade or should I wait for iPhone 17?
 
I went from 13 mini to standard 16. also considered the pro (15 pro is only slightly more expensive than base 16), but it has it's disadvantages too. Happy that I went for the standard 16.
 
I went from 13 mini to standard 16. also considered the pro (15 pro is only slightly more expensive than base 16), but it has it's disadvantages too. Happy that I went for the standard 16.
I'm contemplating the 15 pro against the 16 or even the 16 plus, so was curious what disadvantages you think it has (compared to the 16) ?
 
I'm contemplating the 15 pro against the 16 or even the 16 plus, so was curious what disadvantages you think it has (compared to the 16) ?
The weight of the 15 pro is the biggest disadvantage for me. And the 16 is newer and has the camera button. But if you want the telelens and 120hz, 15 pro is a great choice i think.

It seems quite some people prefer the base 16 over the 16 pro (which is better than the 15 pro).

Plus/max models don’t fit in my pocket so these I don’t even consider.
 
I think if you buy any of the 15's or 16's Pro or not, you're getting a very capable iPhone. People argue over the little details and preferences, but in reality, they all essentially do the same thing. I went with a 16 Pro MAx, but the standard 16's are also very good iPhones and I doubt in use, staring at the same interface, i'd notice to much of a difference. I like the extra camera options of the Pro Max, not bothered by it being titanium or any of that jazz.
 
I think if you buy any of the 15's or 16's Pro or not, you're getting a very capable iPhone. People argue over the little details and preferences, but in reality, they all essentially do the same thing. I went with a 16 Pro MAx, but the standard 16's are also very good iPhones and I doubt in use, staring at the same interface, i'd notice to much of a difference. I like the extra camera options of the Pro Max, not bothered by it being titanium or any of that jazz.
This is a great point to remember. The whole lineup doesn't exactly suck. They are all good.
 
My wife has the 14 pro and may buy her the iPhone 16 in teal

Such a nice colour and would last longer to keep for a while too
 
Have the pro but used the base 16 for 2 weeks. I thought the base 16 was better in some ways, it was definitely lighter so it was easier to hold, and the battery seemed to be much better. 60hz display did not bother me as I can't tell a difference on the Pro (Pro actually isn't 120hz, it's usually around 80 during normal tasking).

I almost did not want to return the 16 because of the above things but I grew accustomed to the AOD and 5x.
 
I spent some time in the Apple Store comparing the 16 PM and the 16+ and I came away pretty impressed with the 16+.
The lack of 120hz was noticeable for me (scrolling text being the most obvious in a browser).. but it's only when you try and read it and scroll simultaneously. If the text is static.. no difference. Im sure Id get used to it. My Studio display is 60hz, and I use that all day without any issue whatsoever.

The 16+ cameras.... 2x crop zoom is good enough for me. Not sure I care too much about 5x, and definitely do not care about the new UW on the PRO that people say still can't capture enough light. I hardly use the UW lens. My current phone doesn't have AOD and not sure I need it/want it. I prefer how Android models do AOD, not just a dim screen like Apple's implementation.

The most noticeable difference is the weight. Very much in favour of the 16+. The 16+ is also a much more beautiful phone than the pro as well (if you care)

The main issue I have really is that the 16PM is £200 (UK) more than the + for say a 256GB model. That's not a huge amount for the extra stuff (zoom lens, 120hz, AOD display. Probably would not notice any of the other stuff like CPU, faster USB etc)

Still undecided to be honest. I have a 13 Pro at present which has 120hz, but Id like a bigger screen. Getting a 16PM is £1200 and the 16+ is £999. Add on Apple Care , case, screen protector ! (Ive always used AC it so worth it for me), and the 16 PM is starting to scream 'how much ??!!!' which makes the 16+ a possible option to keep costs down.

Or I just keep on going with the 13Pro which is in mint condition and see what Apple comes up with next year.
 
Still undecided to be honest. I have a 13 Pro at present which has 120hz, but Id like a bigger screen.

Ha! You're pretty much in the same place I am. Knew I wanted a bigger screen than my 13 Pro, went to an Apple Store to look at the Pro Max, came away liking the Plus a lot more, left confused. I love how the Plus is pleasantly bigger without feeling like such a brick.

Not super motivated to spend the money right now anyway, but appreciate that I'm not the only one looking for a Goldilocks option and not really finding it.
 
Apparently those with better eye sight don't notice it as much and I fall into that category. I use a 16 Pro Max but don't notice any problem with refresh rate when using my daughters iPhone 12. My eyes just seem to be able to process the images better, but maybe as I get older this will change.
It's the other way around. Those who are younger tend to benefit from the 120 Hz display and can see a clearer difference between 60 Hz (iPhone 12) and 120 Hz adaptive (Pro models) (due to better eye sight and reaction times).
 
I have an iPhone 16 Plus. No issues with the 60 Hz refresh rate and love the way longer battery life compared to my iPhone 12.
 
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