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I currently have a 6S Plus and do want a new phone this fall/winter. Not sure if I want the 10 style or another Plus. I’ll decide once I see the new line up.

I love using the Pencil with my IPP. would really like to see Pencil support with the new phones.
 
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I haven't seen anything from Android I've had to have either. iOS has been the deciding factor for me. Up until a year or so ago that's what's kept me using an iPhone.

Just because Android hasn't done anything new does that mean Apple get's a pass too?

Last two updates, iOS has been really buggy for me.
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I upgrade yearly.

I'm not part of any paid upgrade program. I simply trade in or sell my previous year's phone to offset the costs. Means my brand new phone doesn't really cost all that much. This is actually pretty common practice amongst people that upgrade annually, and as such, most of the people I know with Xs are planning on upgrading this September.

Not sure which phone you have or upgrade to, but an 8 plus goes from 500 to 700 used, and a new X got for a grand plus. Seems like a bit of an investment to me.

Curious why do you upgrade every year?
 
I currently have a 6S Plus and do want a new phone this fall/winter. Not sure if I want the 10 style or another Plus. I’ll decide once I see the new line up.

I love using the Pencil with my IPP. would really like to see Pencil support with the new phones.

That’s been a long sought after theory if Apple will ever implement Apple Pencil support for the iPhone. If they do, I don’t see Apple allowing for the iPhone to have a built-in stylus, which would only make the phone thicker. I do see them perhaps allowing this in the future, but I would like to see the Apple Pencil possibly be smaller than what it is for the iPad Pro. Because I think if you use the Apple Pencil now that’s available, it would be simply too large for the iPhone as it is, and I think a smaller version might be more ergonomical.
 
I believe this year’s iPhones will just receive a minor spec bump. Not all that excited and likely won’t be upgrading as I don’t think I want a Plus size iPhone X. That’s just too big, even for my hands.
I've never understood why when it comes to iPhones, people get so disappointed when there's only a spec bump. The way I see it, a smartphone's CPU/GPU is the second or third most important part of a phone, after the cellular connectivity, and maybe the screen. Cellular connectivity I really think has been fast enough for years (it's not like the price of mobile data is conducive to large downloads), and I don't think reception is likely to noticeably improve any time soon. The Retina displays are already pretty much impossible to top, not much more to be done there.

A faster and more efficient CPU/GPU allows the addition of a lot more features, not reliant on other hardware upgrades. It also improves battery life as more can be done with the same amount of energy.

I understand that there could be some disappointment without extra icing on the cake (better camera, ummm...? that's it?) but IMO the processor improvements are what defines the upgrade.

YMMV, and if so, I'd be interested in other significant (not incidental) upgrades which others would think could justify an upgrade without a faster CPU/GPU.
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That’s been a long sought after theory if Apple will ever implement Apple Pencil support for the iPhone. If they do, I don’t see Apple allowing for the iPhone to have a built-in stylus, which would only make the phone thicker. I do see them perhaps allowing this in the future, but I would like to see the Apple Pencil possibly be smaller than what it is for the iPad Pro. Because I think if you use the Apple Pencil now that’s available, it would be simply too large for the iPhone as it is, and I think a smaller version might be more ergonomical.
IMHO, I cannot ever see Apple building a removable stylus into their phones. Considering what other things Apple are willing to sacrifice to the thin-and-light gods... The addition of a moving part, a hole for the possible collection of pocket lint, and obviously as you say it would have to be a lot thicker to fit the stylus, all for something that I expect most users would never take advantage of.

I hope that at the very least the plus-size phones get support for the Apple Pencil (and maybe an Apple Pencil Mini). However, when I think of how the meeting would go where some employee mentions an inbuilt stylus, all I see is that comic strip meme with the person getting thrown out of a meeting, out the window. :p
 
Just because Android hasn't done anything new does that mean Apple get's a pass too?
LOL!!!

No, no pass. In fact it's Apple implementation of what used to be jailbreak tweaks (along with their current aesthetic physical design of the phone) and the failure of the JB community to keep up that has me considering the Google Pixel 2 XL this year.
 
Just because Android hasn't done anything new does that mean Apple get's a pass too?
It’s a matter of opinion, but I don’t think it can be said that Apple didn’t innovate with the iPhone X. OK, so it wasn’t the first to implement facial recognition, but it was the first to implement it in a way that worked well enough for it to be the sole automatic authentication solution on the device.
 
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It’s a matter of opinion, but I don’t think it can be said that Apple didn’t innovate with the iPhone X. OK, so it wasn’t the first to implement facial recognition, but it was the first to implement it in a way that worked well enough for it to be the sole automatic authentication solution on the device.

Apple typically is _not_ the first for a lot of things when it comes to smart phone revolutionary technology related. But they tend to refine it in a way where it makes it even more unique to the user. In a sense of facial recognition technology, they were the first however to introduce 3-D facial mapping, where as Samsung uses 2D facial mapping for biometric security.
 
Must be?

First of all, why? Why must there be some new killer feature? It's always possible there is one, but why MUST there be one?

Are you searching for a justification to replace your current phone and without this "killer" feature you don't have a justification?

Sorry…don't get why. What killer feature did the 6s/6s+ have? The 7/7+? 8/8+?

Secondly…it's probably just me but there's never been any must have, killer features on an iPhone for me. It's nice. I like iOS, I like the aesthetics of the iPhone 5 and the SE (and that's why I bought a iPhone 5). But there has never been any feature on these phones that has made me say "I MUST have that killer feature!!!"

Guess I'm just not in your headspace, sorry.
Touch id maybe?.lol
 
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As excited as I am, I wouldn't be surprised if the 2018 iPhone wasn't revolutionary or a major step up from the X.

I can't foresee the X surviving the Apple store line up after the showcase, unless the rumoured 6.1 inch model is dirt cheap with mediocre specs and the X is placed at a mid point between the 5.8 replacement, but that seems unlikely from what we know so far.

I'm currently using an S8 which I bought last year to replace my ageing iPhone 6. At the time, the S8 blew everything out the water. As impressive as it's specs are, it made me realise how much I miss the iOS ecosystem.

Will I upgrade to the 2018 model? 4GB of RAM, the A12 processor and an improved camera are all likely, but if I can pick up a brand new X at a lower price that is significantly lower then i'll probably stick to that and put my extra savings towards an Apple Watch.
 
This is maybe the first year I can recall hearing no rumors about an update to the flagship phone so close to release date. Did I just miss it? Surely it will have a spec bump, some camera improvements, maybe faster Face ID?...but I can't imagine this is enough to get most current X users to upgrade...there must be some new killer feature we haven't heard about. Have we heard anything through the rumor mill about the new X?
The incoming iPhone next month is the second generation of iPhone X which will have some improvements which usually not significant or all “s” cycle. This will not a big deal for vast majority phone X owners except for the ones who are waiting for the plus size which is not a big deal as less than 1 inch larger. So.. it depends on how excited you are with no design change, less than 1 inch larger and some minor improvements such 4 GB RAM, 1 GB larger than the current 3 GB RAM in X.
 
I just can't see Apple releasing an X upgrade that doesn't have something "special" that will want to make X owners upgrade. If it's just minor spec bumps, minor Face ID improvements and minor camera improvements that's not going to be enough to get the majority of people who paid $1000 to upgrade. Every year so far Apple has come out with something that made it compelling to at least think about upgrading. And I'm talking X to X v2, not X to X Plus.
 
I upgrade yearly.

I'm not part of any paid upgrade program. I simply trade in or sell my previous year's phone to offset the costs. Means my brand new phone doesn't really cost all that much. This is actually pretty common practice amongst people that upgrade annually, and as such, most of the people I know with Xs are planning on upgrading this September.

I appreciate you weigh in here, thanks! I just don’t think that so many folks upgrade every year. Those who do - seem to do it along the outline of what you do.

I personally wouldn’t buy a phone used, especially not without warranty, but if the resale value is still great, your approach makes good sense.
 
The incoming iPhone next month is the second generation of iPhone X which will have some improvements which usually not significant or all “s” cycle.

This is not true at all. Usually it’s the ‘S’ cycle that has some of the bigger improvements that make the iPhone experience for the second generation model even better, for example with the 6S, that significantly improved with the addition of RAM, 3D Touch, 7000 series aluminum was used, etc. A lot of iPhone users even hold out for the ‘S’ model because it is _that_much different.

This will not a big deal for vast majority phone X owners except for the ones who are waiting for the plus size which is not a big deal as less than 1 inch larger.

Its Not just a bigger display, it’s also the bigger battery which is a significant improvement, and this year it’s rumored they’re offering landscape mode, which is also going to be welcomed for those who want to use the iPhone in multiple orientations.
 
Not sure which phone you have or upgrade to, but an 8 plus goes from 500 to 700 used, and a new X got for a grand plus. Seems like a bit of an investment to me.

Curious why do you upgrade every year?

I use my phone every hour of every day throughout the entire year. It's a thing I'm constantly interacting with, both on a physical level (I don't use cases), and on a more experiential level (ie. how the phone behaves, its capabilities, etc).

For something I am always using, spending the relatively few dollars once a year to ensure I'm using something that has the best experience is absolutely worth it to me.

If I'm paying, say, $400 on top of my trade-in/whatever of my previous year's phone, even though I pay it completely upfront, that works out to roughly $30/month if you were to spread it out. Now, granted, for some people, the feeling of having the most capable, most robust device in their hands every hour of every day may not be worth $30/month ... they may be perfectly happy using some previous year's model for some indeterminate length of time saving the $30/month (after they've paid off the phone, however long that takes) and that's obviously an entirely legitimate approach; the same things I'm willing to pay for, others won't be, and vice versa. For me, $30/month every year, and not just some years, is a very reasonable cost for the benefit I get. Heck, I know people that spend more than that per week on Starbucks, and I feel the value of what I get far exceeds the value of what they're getting, and at a fraction of the cost.

And it doesn't matter if it's more than $30/month, the idea is the same.
 
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I use my phone every hour of every day throughout the entire year. It's a thing I'm constantly interacting with, both on a physical level (I don't use cases), and on a more experiential level (ie. how the phone behaves, its capabilities, etc).

For something I am always using, spending the relatively few dollars once a year to ensure I'm using something that has the best experience is absolutely worth it to me.

If I'm paying, say, $400 on top of my trade-in/whatever of my previous year's phone, even though I pay it completely upfront, that works out to roughly $30/month if you were to spread it out. Now, granted, for some people, the feeling of having the most capable, most robust device in their hands every hour of every day may not be worth $30/month ... they may be perfectly happy using some previous year's model for some indeterminate length of time saving the $30/month (after they've paid off the phone, however long that takes) and that's obviously an entirely legitimate approach; the same things I'm willing to pay for, others won't be, and vice versa. For me, $30/month every year, and not just some years, is a very reasonable cost for the benefit I get. Heck, I know people that spend more than that per week on Starbucks, and I feel the value of what I get far exceeds the value of what they're getting, and at a fraction of the cost.

And it doesn't matter if it's more than $30/month, the idea is the same.

Not gonna argue with that. If you need a phone every minute of every day, who am I to judge?

For me I use a phone to make calls and text people. It is not that important to me that I have to have it by my side 24/7 and need to make sure it is the latest and greatest. Im sure you and your phone will enjoy many happy days together.
 
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my friend is visiting foxcoon in Zhengzhou China these days, all models are coming to mass production. surprisedly the LCD model not yet
 
I just can't see Apple releasing an X upgrade that doesn't have something "special" that will want to make X owners upgrade. If it's just minor spec bumps, minor Face ID improvements and minor camera improvements that's not going to be enough to get the majority of people who paid $1000 to upgrade. Every year so far Apple has come out with something that made it compelling to at least think about upgrading. And I'm talking X to X v2, not X to X Plus.
there have been several years where it's been just much faster w/ better x,y.z and people still buy
 
Apple typically is _not_ the first for a lot of things when it comes to smart phone revolutionary technology related. But they tend to refine it in a way where it makes it even more unique to the user. In a sense of facial recognition technology, they were the first however to introduce 3-D facial mapping, where as Samsung uses 2D facial mapping for biometric security.

To be precise, Samsung uses 2D facial mapping + iris scan in the same scan, which I believe makes it similar in security. I find myself sometimes using the scan and sometimes using the fingerprint reader on my S9, depending on which is more convenient.
 
To be precise, Samsung uses 2D facial mapping + iris scan in the same scan, which I believe makes it similar in security. I find myself sometimes using the scan and sometimes using the fingerprint reader on my S9, depending on which is more convenient.

No, it doesn’t. Samsung’s 2D mapping was bypassed with a photo, Which is why Apples 3D facial mapping eliminates that possibility and is far _more_ secure over 2D for That reason alone.
 
There’s no real news as the new iPhone X
Is just an enhanced version of the X
Even though iOS 12 has some new features it’s basically a polished version of iOS 11 according to Scott forstall
Expect improvements but no drastic changes , other than a Plus + size unfortunately
 
I just can't see Apple releasing an X upgrade that doesn't have something "special" that will want to make X owners upgrade. If it's just minor spec bumps, minor Face ID improvements and minor camera improvements that's not going to be enough to get the majority of people who paid $1000 to upgrade. Every year so far Apple has come out with something that made it compelling to at least think about upgrading. And I'm talking X to X v2, not X to X Plus.

The X is already maxxed out with OLED, new form factor, Face-ID etc. Camera is the only area where there's room for the X to make big leaps. It's the one tangible improvement that consumers are usually willing to pay a big premium for.

However I suspect many customers will be happy to settle for the 6.1 LCD version or even the current X at a lower price than paying a big improvement for an incremental camera or Face-ID upgrade.

Personally I will be massively interested in the Plus version and so will others. That will certainly be a phone that some current X owners will be keen to upgrade to.
 
Not gonna argue with that. If you need a phone every minute of every day, who am I to judge?

For me I use a phone to make calls and text people. It is not that important to me that I have to have it by my side 24/7 and need to make sure it is the latest and greatest. Im sure you and your phone will enjoy many happy days together.

So far it's been 11 years (and phones) of bliss. ;)
 
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No, it doesn’t. Samsung’s 2D mapping was bypassed with a photo, Which is why Apples 3D facial mapping eliminates that possibility and is far _more_ secure over 2D for That reason alone.

That was the 2D mapping only that the S8 had. The S9 includes iris scanning as well in the same scan so a photo doesn't work.
 
That was the 2D mapping only that the S8 had. The S9 includes iris scanning as well in the same scan so a photo doesn't work.

Being more to the point, Face ID uses 3-D facial mapping, where Samsung utilizes 2D facial mapping, that’s a huge disparity in security regardless if it has iris scanning or not. Apple is the _only_ smart phone manufacturer to utilize 3-D facial mapping for biometric security, Samsung does not.
 
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