Anybody Heavily Considering the Bold??

[newyorksole]

Dude if you have an iPhone, why are you thinking of switching to Bold... I see no reason too. iPhones are the **** right now, believe it or not. As you said its still a hype. When you show your friend an iPhone its awesome, when you show them blackberry phone they are like oh.... Whenever i see blackberry type phones it makes me think they are made only for buisness people, but the iPhone is not. thats the difference

Cosign cosign cosign..couldn't agree more.

The iPhone has such an amazing and usable and friendly interface that going to anything else, even a blackberry, would be a downgrade. Even though the iPhone is lacking certain features, it is still an amazing phone. And yeah when my friend got a blackberry I didn't even wanna see it, neither did others. When I got the iPhone everyoneee wanted to play with it and everyone loves it.

The iPhone's large screen is also too much of a bonus for me to go to anythingg else no matter what the phone offers.

 

[davidlw]

I think that the future is very good for the iPhone, it is several years ahead of everyone else. Mobile Me sold me on the iPhone. The large screen and web browser are the best. To me having a 3G iPhone will like having my computer with me all of the time which is what I need.

 

[Telp]

I don't know if you have ever used a blackberry before, but the screens always look small in the photos... wait till you get it in your hand. The screen always looks bigger in person, but that's just my experience.

Screen size is screen size. Whether it looks smaller in pictures or not does name make it big in real life. I understand you are trying to show people that the iPhone isn't the only hot item coming to consumers, but you are doing a pretty poor job with statements like that. Hey, the iPhone screen looks smaller in pictures too, but dude, it looks big in real life, in fact, it looks even bigger than the blackberries.

 

[Burton8219]

This post totally reads like a troll to me. You claim to be some average excited 17 year old, but yet you are concerned about multi-tasking applications on your phone? Yet you seem to be completely clued out on technology in general? While it's certainly possible this is a "real" post, it sure doesn't read like one.

Even if you are being honest, it has the same effect as a troll post. You are basically just posting a glowing (yet supposedly "innocent") recommendation of an alternative product to a forum that has an obvious apple/iPhone slant. Complete with sharp, good-looking product shots of the competition as well.

Then, despite every post including a statement like "Hey, I'm not promoting the Blackberry but ...", you proceed to defend the blackberry choice from all comers.

First of all, I am 17 lol don't know why I have to prove my age, but that is my real age.

Second of all, just because I'm 17 it means I can't care about multi-tasking on my phone?? Don't see the logic there, but whatever.

Third, how do I seem to be "completely clued out on technology in general"? I tend to think that I have a very good grip on technology and the tech related parts that go into buying a phone based on my posts in this thread.

Fourth, how can I post a "glowing" recommendation of a phone that hasn't even been released yet?? All of the specs for both of these phones are just that, specs. Until they are in people's hands and in the real world you don't know how they will perform. For all we know the Blackberry OS could be full of bugs and problem ridden. The same could happen with the new features of the iPhone. And I just googled "Blackberry Bold" and those were the best pictures I could find to show. Didn't know I had to show crappy pictures of another phone to not be considered a fanboy. I have an iPhone right now for a reason. I like it better than any phone on the market. I'm just saying that the Bold is going to be the iPhone's competition, not those other gimmicky touch screen phones like the Voyager or Instinct.

And lastly, how am I trying to act "innocent"? I'm just passing along specs on it that I have found. And I am not defending the Bold in all corners. I said on the last page that I think MobileMe is a great tool for ANY phone, not just the iPhone and is better than the push system that RIM uses.

EDIT: I said the statement about MobileMe on this page.

 

[Phil A.]

The new OS for Blackberry has full HTML internet and email though. Also Blackberries have push email without getting MobileMe... although I really like the idea of push calendar and contacts. Just more reasons that are tearing me in both directions!!! lol

I never mentioned MobileMe but I'm pretty sure you can't get push e-mail on the BlackBerry without a BlackBerry plan - it can't automatically give you push e-mail when it isn't supported by the backend mail server!

I am 17 and have been raised on Mac since I was old enough to use a computer. If anything I'm one of the biggest Apple fanboy's out there! lol I was just trying to show people an alternative because for the number of people that are super excited for the iPhone 3G , there is a line just as big for people who aren't as excited.

Sorry, but I don't see what relevance your age has to any debate on here, but as you brought it up, you've been claiming to be 17 on this forum for over a year...

 

[davidlw]

I understand what the original poster means about BB. I was a BB fanboy once myself, but looking at the BIG picture, the future is iPhone. BB does many things well but not well enough to compete with iphone. My gosh this new 3G iphone with my Macs using Mobile Me is going to be really hot.

 

[MBHockey]

The Blackberry Bold does look nice. I'm not considering it as an alternative for an iPhone 3G for me because the screen is too small, it has an awful UI, and I think the apps for the iPhone are going to blow away anything the BB developer community has to offer.

 

[Burton8219]

I never mentioned MobileMe but I'm pretty sure you can't get push e-mail on the BlackBerry without a BlackBerry plan - it can't automatically give you push e-mail when it isn't supported by the backend mail server!



Sorry, but I don't see what relevance your age has to any debate on here, but as you brought it up, you've been claiming to be 17 on this forum for over a year...

First, I didn't bring up my age, Virgil did. And second, that was a typo. My birthday is August 21st, 1990. If you looked at my profile you would have seen that. And don't try and say that you can't have a car if you are 16 because in Florida you get your license when you are 16. Just thought I'd clear that up.

 

[iPhonedHome]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Use the force Luke!

 

[7on]

First, I didn't bring up my age, Virgil did. And second, that was a typo. My birthday is August 21st, 1990. If you looked at my profile you would have seen that. And don't try and say that you can't have a car if you are 16 because in Florida you get your license when you are 16. Just thought I'd clear that up.

You mentioned in the first post that you're 17! Before anyone else even replied!

I think there's something fishy around here... :shiftyeyes:

 

[SFStateStudent]

Sorry, but I don't see what relevance your age has to any debate on here, but as you brought it up, you've been claiming to be 17 on this forum for over a year...

Good catch Phil A., I'm still reeling from the deceitful post on August 31, '07 by young "Burton8219": "unfortunately I haven't applied to any colleges yet. I plan to do this between mid-late September and early-mid October. That is interesting that Apple let you use the Login ID as proof of a student. I think I'm just gonna take the chance and see if I can just get the discount. What's the worst that can happen, they ask for proof and I say I don't have it and just buy the refurb." I think I'm just gonna' place him on my "Ignore List" so, "POOF!"

 

[Burton8219]

You mentioned in the first post that you're 17! Before anyone else even replied!

I think there's something fishy around here... :shiftyeyes:

First of all Phil was talking about a post LAST YEAR. If my birthday is August 21st, 1990 how old would that make me??? Thats right 17.

Good catch Phil A., I'm still reeling from the deceitful post on August 31, '07 by young "Burton8219": "unfortunately I haven't applied to any colleges yet. I plan to do this between mid-late September and early-mid October. That is interesting that Apple let you use the Login ID as proof of a student. I think I'm just gonna take the chance and see if I can just get the discount. What's the worst that can happen, they ask for proof and I say I don't have it and just buy the refurb." I think I'm just gonna' place him on my "Ignore List" so, "POOF!"

I really don't care if I'm on your "Ignore List" becuase that post you are talking about was on the 31ST OF AUGUST. Ten days after my birthday making me... 17! Yes I hadn't applied to any colleges yet because I had to get my stuff ready ex: Applications, writing an essay; you know stuff you need to do to apply to college. Maybe you forgot, but you apply to college in the beginning of your senior year in high school, which is what I am about to finish. Are people all of a sudden brain dead on this site??

 

[tobytoby]

I have a BlackBerry Pearl 8100 at the moment and would have stuck with BB and lusted after the Bold but the BlackBerry Internet Service is shoddy. My two main e-mail accounts are on Exchange servers and I can access with IMAP or OWA. OWA has more features when used with BIS (versus IMAP) but even then there is no full reconciliation/sync with my mailbox. Specifically, if I delete a mail in Entourage on my Mac it will delete from my BB inbox, but nor for a couple of hours. If I simply read a message it's read/unread flag is not synced. It is instant the other way around though. It is also 15 minute polling which gets messages into the NOC and are then pushed to the device. This isn't a big deal for me, but is slightly frustrating at times as there is no way to do a manual sync just when you need to.

This is a pain for me day to day. The other thing that grates is that I can't file messages in folders from the BB. This costs me a good chunk of time each day when I get back to my desk when I could have done filing on the move.

Granted, you can do all of this if you have BlackBerry Enterprise Server, but neither of my organisations support this or are likely to do so in the future.

The announcement of Exchange ActiveSync support in iPhone 2.0 was all the 'push' I needed to get me to switch, so I will be getting an iPhone at or soon after the 3G launch. I will also get mobile sync of my calendar and contacts thrown in. (Note that I'm presuming that EA will be fully supported and work ok.)

I think RIM have really dropped the ball with BIS and even the 2.5 version that is rolling out doesn't improve the reconciliation/syncing functionality as far as I am aware.

The new OS for Blackberry has full HTML internet and email though. Also Blackberries have push email without getting MobileMe... although I really like the idea of push calendar and contacts. Just more reasons that are tearing me in both directions!!! lol

Unfortunately, while technically speaking it is 'push' when you are on BIS this is accompanied by a 15-minute poll/fetch. Therefore the BIS polls your mailbox every 15-mins and pushes to your device. The only exceptions that I am aware of are Yahoo, Google and GoDaddy unless you are in an organisation that has a BES.

 

[Ninja Dom]

August 3rd, 2008 is the current release date for Vodafone UK.

 

[tritonj]

and look at the QWERTY keyboard... Apple utilizes that by making it built into the software and not having it as an actual part of the product (the keyboard is there when it needs to be there, can the Bold tkae away its keyboard when its not in use. NO!), apple is all simplicity, other companies are not. This is just another smarthphone, the iPhone takes its own category in this. What other company has tons of people waiting in line for its phones prior to it being released, no one I can recall but apple. When you hear about the iPhone, its the iPhone, when you hear about the Bold, you are like wtf? whats Bold. there are too many blackberry type phones out there, but only one iPhone. thats whats good about apple

everyone misses the point, the innovation in an iPhone is the multi-touch UI, not a software keyboard and not the touch screen, hell my old Palm V had both of these things and the Palm V is like 10 years old now. and it is debatable what is better a true keyboard or a software one, there are arguments for both sides.

the iPhone has its market and blackberry has its market, and people will buy what they like, neither is crap and neither is any less innovative than the other

the one mistake i believe LG, Rim, Nokia, etc have made though is they are all concentrating on making a phone that looks like an iPhone that features a touch screen. what they should be doing is focusing on making a better phone, a more intuitive easy to use phone. touch screen is a gimmick and a cheap one at that, the thing that attracts me to an iPhone is the multi-touch UI. if all i wanted was a touch screen i would have just got an LG Voyager or something or just kept using the old Treos

 

[surferfromuk]

From wiki :

Propaganda is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people <potential new iPhone customers>.

As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis <any Engadget comparitive analysis!>, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented <endless 'iPhone's got no MMS therefore is rubbish and I'm not buying one' crap posts in here lately>.

The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience to further a political <or commerical> agenda.


Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist. <RIM/Microsoft payrolled internet PR army>
—Garth S. Jowett and Victoria O'Donnell, Propaganda and Persuasion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

<my inserts>

Now, I'm not sure if this poster is genuine or not but he's certainly trying to hard to persuade...

 

[Burton8219]

From wiki :

Propaganda is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people <potential new iPhone customers>.

As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis <any Engadget comparitive analysis!>, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented <endless 'iPhone's got no MMS therefore is rubbish and I'm not buying one' crap posts in here lately>.

The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience to further a political <or commerical> agenda.


Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist. <RIM/Microsoft payrolled internet PR army>
—Garth S. Jowett and Victoria O'Donnell, Propaganda and Persuasion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

<my inserts>

Now, I'm not sure if this poster is genuine or not but he's certainly trying to hard to persuade...

Why does everyone insist that I am the big bad Blackberry man who is trying to steal Apple customers?? I have said this many times in this thread... I CURRENTLY OWN AN IPHONE!! Jesus I was just trying to show some people an alternative to the iPhone for the people who might be on the fence, because not everyone on here is here specifically for the iPhone. The site is called MacRumors, not iPhoneRumors. Really everyone needs to calm down. I admit I like this new Bold, but I also like the new iPhone. I was just trying to see what everyone else thought. Sorry for showing any other products.

 

[surferfromuk]

Why does everyone insist that I am the big bad Blackberry man who is trying to steal Apple customers?? I have said this many times in this thread... I CURRENTLY OWN AN IPHONE!! Jesus I was just trying to show some people an alternative to the iPhone for the people who might be on the fence, because not everyone on here is here specifically for the iPhone. The site is called MacRumors, not iPhoneRumors. Really everyone needs to calm down. I admit I like this new Bold, but I also like the new iPhone. I was just trying to see what everyone else thought. Sorry for showing any other products.

Big bad blackberry man who is trying to steal Apple customers - your funny when your riled up!

Peace be with you, friend

I take it all back...

 

[Burton8219]

Big bad blackberry man who is trying to steal Apple customers - your funny when your riled up!

Peace be with you, friend

I take it all back...

Thanks I guess... lol

I mean I now you were joking, but I feel I'm getting it from all angles here lol. I was just trying to show a device that could satisfy people who were on the fence with the new iPhone, like myself.

 

[CrazEtooN]

Why does everyone insist that I am the big bad Blackberry man who is trying to steal Apple customers?? I have said this many times in this thread... I CURRENTLY OWN AN IPHONE!! Jesus I was just trying to show some people an alternative to the iPhone for the people who might be on the fence, because not everyone on here is here specifically for the iPhone. The site is called MacRumors, not iPhoneRumors. Really everyone needs to calm down. I admit I like this new Bold, but I also like the new iPhone. I was just trying to see what everyone else thought. Sorry for showing any other products.

Yes, this is Mac Rumors, not iPhone Rumors. About that you are correct. You are in the iPhone SPECIFIC forum however, which means this section of Mac Rumors might as well be iPhone Rumors.

I am a long time BlackBerry user and I will not look twice at the Bold. Yes, it has features, but it still has the same old, archaic and menu driven OS powering it. I know it is OS 4.6, and I know 4.6 has never been on a device before, but that means nothing because the core of OS 4.6 is the same as it was 3-4+ years ago. It is old.

If RIM would stop resting on their laurels and actually go back into R&D mode to redesign their OS and make it more up to date, I might go back to BlackBerry. They need to remove the "menu" key, get away from digging through menus to accomplish anything, redesign the core architecture so decent applications can actually be built for it, etc.

The thing is, they are so rooted in the ideal that they are the best that I don't see that ever happening. Like all the other cell manufacturers out there, all they see when they look at the iPhone is the hardware. They ignore the OS's power and the extremely usable nature of the UI.

Take the Thunder for example. The pre-release pics of it show that it is indeed a full touchscreen with few hardware buttons. It still has the "menu" key though, and that leads me to believe that they are just going to shoehorn the same old BlackBerry OS into a new hardware design. All that does is change the input method, not the user experience. (Kind of like how changing the mouse and keyboard on a PC doesn't change the OS)

No thanks.

I know you aren't talking about the Thunder, but I am just relaying my feelings on RIM and why I am avoiding them until they wake up and innovate again. You know, like they did some 10 years ago with the Inter@ctive Pager.

To give you a one word answer to your question though... No.

 

[Asar]

bah. screen is too little. plus i find myself typing a lot faster on the touchscreen. thunder has a better chance, but my iphone isnt leaving my hands for any other phone.

 

[Telp]

bah. screen is too little. plus i find myself typing a lot faster on the touchscreen. thunder has a better chance, but my iphone isnt leaving my hands for any other phone.

Amen. Typing on friend's sidekicks have always been a pain, but since the iPhone came out, im down right dismal at typing on phones with actual buttons. Not to mention how small and close blackberry buttons are. Not going to work out too well for me. So don't give me that, ooh people with big fingers can't use the iPhone, cause its just not true, and I don't see how it can be said to be any worse than a blackberry's.

 

[mark34]

i like the keyboard, but not the sacrifices one has to make for a physical keyboard. But, I know that for me, a physical keyboard will always be more rewarding to use than a software one. The benefits of the software keyboard outweigh that advantage, so I am an iPhone fan, but the lack of physical keyboard remains in the back of my mind always.

 

[Telp]

http://gizmodo.com/5019769/blackberry-bold-hands-on-its-great


Video from gizmodo. I don't like the UI. There is nothing new about it, and there is nothing nice about it. I prefer just clicking the icon and not scrolling through. I will never buy a BB if they don't make any real changes.

Also video playback doesnt look as nice. Too small, don't like the the UI on that one either. I am not being bias, just sharing my views and opinions.

 

[ghettochild]

I am considering the Bold. Decision will largely depend on the browser and HTML email capability. The news that it'll be delayed, however, doesn't help. I may upgrade to the 3G iPhone before August.