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Were you planning on leaving AT&T anytime soon or just pissed because your profit margin was trimmed due to the new rule?

The value will sells so high and stay that way for a while for an iphone 4 so why not just do it if your having doubts about one. Even considering the high ETF your still getting about $600 - 800 buck or more for it so you can pay the ETF, pay your bill, and still profit. I never understood why people think they can keep the phone and expect it for free or to make some money when AT&T has to distribute it from apple to sell to you?

The 3G to 3GS upgrade wasn't enough for me to justify at the time but I still did it and never regretted it. I enjoyed the speed, the little camcorder which was pretty decent for my needs, and the value was high and stayed there. The iPhone 4 jumps all over the 3GS and i'm a tech junkie at heart.

No one needs justification over whether you need to get one or not. If you don't want it then OK we get it. your mind sounds make up already. Your all teens or adults who at this point of your life should be able to make a mildly difficult choices. I enjoy my time with each release and until someone knocks them off, i'm not worried
 
Besides, my girlfriend would rather I spend the money on a nice vacation for us then on a new piece of technology that I don't really need. ;)

Vacation? To where, the next town over? I need to be hooked me up with your travel agent. Wife and I are going to Europe this summer and the price of the iPhone 4 is chump change compared to what we'll be spending. It seems like you can go anywhere nowadays without dropping at least a grand.
 
No need for me to justify. I just sold my year old 3GS 16gb for very close to $300. Seems like a no brainer to me. I dont care about a new contract either. I have had at&t since 1997, no plans on switching.
 
I agree with you op. Why upgrade though? Because the new iPhone will be worth 350 or so next year. If you plan to keep getting iPhones and can get the newest one for full discount. That's the reason to upgrade, but for the record in agree with you. The 3GS will not be worth much next year though.
 
They're also known Apple fanboys that raved on about how much of an improvement the 3G screen was, and then the 3G S, despite it being the same freakin screen.

They're also the same people that said the 2G iPod touch was a "HUGE" speed improvement over the original and iPhone 3G, even though it was the same architecture clocked slightly higher.

What the hell are you talking about?!?

Just link one single article stating this crap.

I usually read the major gadget blogs and nobody ever said that. And they're the same people now AMAZED by the new display after going hands-on with it.

About justifying the upgrade, this is the most justifiable iphone upgrade EVER, people must be blind and deaf not to realize it. The screen itself is worth the upgrade, not to mention the new steel+glass build, new antennas, better battery life (A4 + larger battery), better 3G upload speeds from 0.3mbps to 5.7mbps with hsUpa (at least outside US, where people have already HSUPA networks, like where I live), etc.

Of course if you're not a tech lover, a 3GS with iOS 4 is still a great phone e beats most of competitors. (appstore, iOS 4 polish, etc)

But if you're keen on upgrading phones every year, as I said this is by far the best year to year iphone upgrade.
 
If you don't want to deal with all that, stay with the 3GS. I have it and it's fine, but with the AT&T rep saying I could return it and get the 4 for around $50 more, I don't see why not.

The 3gs is remarkable, hell I even think the 2G is still phenominal technology. Whatever suits your desires, it's your money.

WHOA, HOW DID YOU GET THAT?
I don't want to pay the full price! How'd you get it for 50 dollars if you return it?
 
I know I am. Bought an iPhone 3G S 16GB at Walmart for $97 knowing full well the iPhone 4 would be out within a month. Bought it before the ETF went up.

I'm just really having a hard time justifying taking back my 3G S and getting an iPhone 4. I'm still in the return window, so I can do it.

I don't care about "FaceTime". Why? Well, the fact that its iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 and wifi only kills it in almost every practical situation. The only time you'll be able to realistically use it is when you're somewhere that you'll most likely have access to a computer with a webcam anyway. None of the people I video chat with have an iPhone. Better yet, those that do have iPhones are rarely around wifi except at home. And when at home, why not use my MacBook and Skype?

I'm not buying the hype surrounding the new display. I won't deny that colors and black levels will be better. But, aside from the macro closeup shots showing the pixel density, the real world advantages won't be anywhere near what people are saying. You're still going to be holding your iPhone a foot and a half or more from your face. So you're essentially just shoving more pixels into the same size area, and at that distance, any gain is lost by way of how things naturally work. Go google viewing distances if you don't believe me. I know I don't hold my iPhone against my face.

I already have an iPad as well, so I've already experienced the "speed" upgrade. Its there but its nothing Earth shattering. iPhone games run about the same on both the iPad and iPhone 3G S. Higher resolution games actually run worse on the iPad than on the iPhone. Look how bad Hero of Sparta runs on the iPad compared to the iPhone. Same game with higher quality graphics, but the iPad version has such a bad frame-rate that its unplayable.

The only real advantage I can see is the better camera. The sample pictures look ok. I like the idea of 720p recording. I don't care for the iMovie app. I never used it on my Mac. It's also hard to justify that when theres so many other cameras out there in the $100-$150 that do damn good 720p as well as a few that do either 720p60 or 1080p. Theres also a number of point and shoot digicams out there for $100 that kick the crap out of any and all cellphone cams.

I don't care about the new design. I've never cared about design. Functionality is far more important than design.

The better battery life isn't particularly impressive. Anyone who uses push services and Exchange email over 3G knows that the battery will still be drained fast and it won't be an extra 2 hours, it will be more like an extra half hour or so using those background data services.

I don't care about the gyroscope either. I can't see that adding to games, because most of the games on the platform now are annoying because of the lack of physical controls. I can't see how adding more "motions" will improve things.

Software wise, the iPhone 3G S will do everything iPhone 4 does. So, it's really difficult for me to say its worth it to take my 3G S back and pay the extra $100 (as well as deal with that $325 ETF) for iPhone 4. Anyone else?
Too long.

Anyone care to summarize it for me, please?
 
Wow...I gotta ask what do you like/care about in a phone?

You're just as bad as those "convince me" threads. Actually worse, your posts are longer.

Don't get the new iPhone. It'll make it that much easier for the rest of us to get it at launch. :D

Anyone care to summarize it for me, please?

A mixture of one of those "convince me threads" and one of those "unable to upgrade, so instead I'm going to trash the new iPhone" threads.
 
Vacation? To where, the next town over? I need to be hooked me up with your travel agent. Wife and I are going to Europe this summer and the price of the iPhone 4 is chump change compared to what we'll be spending. It seems like you can go anywhere nowadays without dropping at least a grand.

Hahhh. True. Where is this dude vacationing for $299?
 
I do agree that iPhone 4 isn't anywhere near as astonishing as Apple wished it would be, in part thanks to what Android already offers. The high-res screen is nice, but it's still a 3.5" screen that isn't useful for any heavy, long-term usage. FaceTime is a great step in the right direction, but as of now it's nothing but a novelty feature. Of course, you're asking this question in an Apple forum, so of course every incremental update is worth killing your first-born for.

However, when the price difference is only $100, it's worth it to get the latest version just for resale value alone.
 
Too long.

Anyone care to summarize it for me, please?

He does not want to upgrade to the new phone. He has some hesitation not to do it. He wants to hear from us that he is making the correct decision.

I do it all the time to my wife but it’s usually because I want to buy something……

Or he’s sycophantic :D
 
Yeah it definitely doesn't come close to the idiotic "it changes everything again" slogan. Facetime is a joke, the screen is nice...if you hold your phone 3 inches from your face. I don't see the individual pixels in my 3G unless I press my face against it. The only real changes are in the OS and even those changes leave them far behind what Android and Webos can do, but at least you'll see most of those changes on your 3GS. It's not a huge change at all, but the processor and camera upgrades are big enough for people with first or 2nd gen iphone to notice a speed change in their apps.

Thats all true.

In terms of software, iPhone 3G S will do everything iPhone 4 does. Minus the camera. FaceTime doesn't really count because, in the real world, it will never be used.

You don't really think there will be a new iPhone 5 in 5 months, do you?

Did you actually read his post? He's stuck in a contract until NEXT January. Apple updates the iPhone annually. So there will be an iPhone 5 a few months after his contract is up.

However, I felt much as you do now when it was time to upgrade to the 3gs. Not sufficient enhancements for me to justify spending the money.

How was the 3G S not an upgrade over the 3G? It was the first real upgrade since the original iPhone. This is proven by the fact that the 3G S will do everything the iPhone 4 will, except the camera features. And even then the iPhone 4 is just an upgrade over what the 3G S is currently capable of.

Now, the 3G to 3GS was a pittance upgrade, not worth the extra money. (Same design and everything)

Again, how is that? The 3G S brought more to the table over the previous generation than the iPhone 4 is bringing over the 3G S. iPhone 4 basically has a better camera and an LED flash. LED flashes on phones are jokes. All you're really getting is a higher resolution, not necessarily better, sensor and 720p video.

The one caveat I'll give you is this - each year, the 2-years-ago model doesn't get the full software upgrade. The 2G didn't get MMS or stereo bluetooth, and the 3G is not getting multitasking. It's a pretty reasonable bet that come iOS 5, the 3GS will miss out on something that iphone 4 gets.

All of those problems are solved by jailbreaking ;)

For instance, MMS. There was no reason iPhone 2 shouldn't have gotten it. Apple gave a BS "cellular radio" reason, but that was false. MMS is part of the GPRS standard which the original iPhone fully supported. Jailbreaking allowed you to enable the MMS capability built-in to the OS, and it worked just like it did on the iPhone 3G.

The iPhone 3G not getting multi-tasking is, again, an artificial limitation on Apple's part.

If the iPhone 3G S doesn't get a software feature of OS 5, thats not a big deal. If AT&T keeps up this eligibility changing stuff, I'll be eligible for the upgrade. It will always be jailbreakable to enable those features. iPhone OS has had multi-tasking since 2.0 as a result.

Were you planning on leaving AT&T anytime soon orbecause your profit margin was trimmed due to the new rule?

I plan on jumping ship from AT&T as soon as the iPhone is available on another carrier.

The 3G to 3GS upgrade wasn't enough for me to justify at the time but I still did it and never regretted it. I enjoyed the speed, the little camcorder which was pretty decent for my needs, and the value was high and stayed there. The iPhone 4 jumps all over the 3GS and i'm a tech junkie at heart.

Well, if you want to talk "Tech junkie", you need look no further than me. iPad day of release, 5 iPods, multiple computers, etc.

The iPhone 4 just doesn't offer enough over the iPhone 3G S. The 3G S was a true upgrade. The iPhone 4 basically takes the 3G S, gives it a better camera, and puts it in a new case that is only better looking depending on personal taste.

I usually read the major gadget blogs and nobody ever said that. And they're the same people now AMAZED by the new display after going hands-on with it.

Have you ever noticed how all of the "major gadget blogs" whore themselves out to Apple and all of the writers use Macs? And how each new iPhone or iPod touch is the best thing since sliced bread, even though the iPhone 3G was the original iPhone with a 3G chip?

The screen itself is worth the upgrade

Prove it. I have 20/20 vision. I don't hold my iPhone to my face, so how will I notice the increased pixel density while holding my iPhone a couple of feet from my face?

not to mention the new steel+glass build

Personal preference. I don't like it.

new antennas

Which doesn't mean much in the real world dealing with real world cellular technology. Especially dealing with AT&T.

better battery life (A4 + larger battery)

Turn on Exchange email and push services and that extra 2 hours will dwindle down to "Extra minutes".

Either way you'll still have to charge your iPhone throughout the day if you use background data services.

better 3G upload speeds from 0.3mbps to 5.7mbps with hsUpa (at least outside US, where people have already HSUPA networks, like where I live), etc.

Real world upload speeds with newer 3G networks are far below the rated 5.7Mbps upload rates.

Sending a 30 second video clip over email or MMS is still nearly instant on the 3G S.

ps: I smell hater. I remember your nickname from past threads. You're always downplaying everything about Apple.

Only Macs ;) I love my iPad (which is another thing that makes the extra $100 for the iPhone 4 upgrade a difficult choice), my iPhone, and my 5 iPods.

unable to upgrade, so instead I'm going to trash the new iPhone" threads.

Apparently you didn't read what I said. I'm in the 30 day return period so I CAN upgrade to the iPhone 4. It's just hard to justify the cost, since I got the 16GB iPhone 3G S for $97 and I got in before the increased ETF.
 
iPhone 4 does have a faster CPU. But its still the same GPU and RAM. It's not a true upgrade, its a slight upgrade.

Wtf? Did you just make these terms up? Better get editing on Wikipedia or your argument's not gonna have a lot of ground. Oh wait...
 
Vacation? To where, the next town over? I need to be hooked me up with your travel agent. Wife and I are going to Europe this summer and the price of the iPhone 4 is chump change compared to what we'll be spending. It seems like you can go anywhere nowadays without dropping at least a grand.


Just because you can afford a non-chump change vacation to Europe, doesn't mean that others can't do a lot with $300.

How about a nice camping trip next to a lake? In this economy, you shouldn't be knocking anyone for trying to be resourceful with money.
 
As stated earlier it's your money do with is as you please.

As far as the upgrade goes, how can anyone really say it's not a true upgrade? The phone is not even available for pre-order yet. :eek:! Yeah, sure there have been some hands-on demo's but until someone tears it down and compares apples to apples then we will *really know.
 
OP, do you always have diarrhea of the mouth/keyboard? Good lord. Most people nodded off after the first paragraph of your ramblings.
 
Thats all true.

In terms of software, iPhone 3G S will do everything iPhone 4 does. Minus the camera. FaceTime doesn't really count because, in the real world, it will never be used.



Did you actually... bla bla bla etc. etc. etc.

This thread made my day. :D
 
Have you ever noticed how all of the "major gadget blogs" whore themselves out to Apple and all of the writers use Macs? And how each new iPhone or iPod touch is the best thing since sliced bread, even though the iPhone 3G was the original iPhone with a 3G chip?

What you stated is FALSE, PERIOD.
Nobody ever said that the screen of the 3G or 3GS was a HUGE improvement.
Nobody ever said that the overclocked iPodTouch 2G was a HUGE improvement.
What you stated is FALSE. (just to make it clearer)

So stop this "world domination plot" and look at the pics of the new screen.

It is AMAZING. It is IPS. It is closer to the surface tnx to the new building process. Not just 320ppi. Also IPS. Also better clarity tnx to the new process.



Prove it. I have 20/20 vision. I don't hold my iPhone to my face, so how will I notice the increased pixel density while holding my iPhone a couple of feet from my face?
I don't need to waste time proving it now, it just take a couple of day and everybody will find out. But then you'll say that everybody's a fanboy. So see it for yourself.

Personal preference. I don't like it.
It's not only about estetics.
It's about precious materials. About 25% slimmer. About STEEL frame. About no micro-craks in the white plastic. About no dust under the screen EVER. (new zero gap building process)

STAINLESS STEEL + ALUMINOSILICATE GLASS vs plastic it's not just personal preference...

9.3mm is not just personal preference.

You may like it or not, but IT IS an objective UPGRADE over the previouse build!


Which doesn't mean much in the real world dealing with real world cellular technology. Especially dealing with AT&T.

Let's say I trust Apple engeeneers and testing people more than you. If they come up with that solution, it should improve the signal. Like a similar solution gave an excellent UMTS signal strenght to the iPad. (which has 2 3G antennas, one being a metal frame all around the screen....)

Who TF care about AT&T by the way...this is a WORLD pentaband phone and this forum is full of non-US people...the phone has to be judged globally....

Turn on Exchange email and push services and that extra 2 hours will dwindle down to "Extra minutes".

Said Nostradamus.
Still, that is an improvement, add it to the pile.

Real world upload speeds with newer 3G networks are far below the rated 5.7Mbps upload rates.
I hate this kind of answer.
So I should use a 1.8mbps first gen HSDPA phone because my 7.2mbps never really reaches 7.2mbps.

That's non-sense. I won't get 5.7mbps, but as long time user of HSUPA USB sticks in Italy I can assure that you can "feel it". HSUPA uploads way faster than the standard 384kbps (0,3mbps) of regular HSDPA (like 3GS). Who TF care if it doesn't really reach 5.7mbps, even 2mbps are a huge improvement over 0,3mbps.

Sending a 30 second video clip over email or MMS is still nearly instant on the 3G S.
Maybe I wanna upload a longer video to youtube. Or straight to facebook, like seen in recent rumors.
I'm not saying you should justify the whole upgrade on this, I'm just saying: add it to the pile.
 
I'm really don't care either way how good or bad the update is. The 3Gs does perfectly well for me. Technology changes so fast, it really makes no sense to hop on every generation that comes out. I own a photography business and a much more profitable one than most and I still shoot 8-10mp cameras. I'll upgrade on the next go-round but never more than every 2-3 generations.

Same with my Computer. Add a little memory and storage...well, it's dirt cheap. OS and Software updates can always go several generations between needing to be updated.

IMO regarding the phone, I'll wait to see how the OS update on my Gs plays out and get a real world view of what the new 4th gen will do that mine won't. I won't likely upgrade until the new 4G speed thing is all worked out. Makes no sense to update to hardware that may not even be able to take advantage of any updates to the network it will run on.

The answer however is a personal thing. Those that want to spend the money and "see" a reason that is of value to them, so be it. For me, I don't see it yet nor will I likely see it on this go-round of phones.
 
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