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nope, not a hard time at all

my 3g iphone is slow as molasses


Agreed, especially after playing with the iPad.

Technology changes so fast, it really makes no sense to hop on every generation that comes out.

I really does make no sense, unless it's what drives you or you have the money. I feel like I'm getting a ton of new features for the money, and personally don't mind AT&T. I've never had that many problems with them, since I've never had a better provider I wouldn't know what one feels like. The 3G was my first real step up in the cell phone world. I remember getting my last one because it had caller ID on the outside where my previous phone answered the call when I flipped it open.
 
I'm really don't care either way how good or bad the update is. The 3Gs does perfectly well for me. Technology changes so fast, it really makes no sense to hop on every generation that comes out. I own a photography business and a much more profitable one than most and I still shoot 8-10mp cameras. I'll upgrade on the next go-round but never more than every 2-3 generations.

Same with my Computer. Add a little memory and storage...well, it's dirt cheap. OS and Software updates can always go several generations between needing to be updated.

IMO regarding the phone, I'll wait to see how the OS update on my Gs plays out and get a real world view of what the new 4th gen will do that mine won't. I won't likely upgrade until the new 4G speed thing is all worked out. Makes no sense to update to hardware that may not even be able to take advantage of any updates to the network it will run on.

The answer however is a personal thing. Those that want to spend the money and "see" a reason that is of value to them, so be it. For me, I don't see it yet nor will I likely see it on this go-round of phones.

If you can't afford the new phone just say it :D

You sound like the people who are waiting for a price drop on the iPad or waiting for 2nd gen. Have fun with your old phone while the rest of us enjoy all the features and benefits of the iPhone 4.
 
Apparently you didn't read what I said. I'm in the 30 day return period so I CAN upgrade to the iPhone 4. It's just hard to justify the cost, since I got the 16GB iPhone 3G S for $97 and I got in before the increased ETF.

I read your entire post.

Classic trolling technique. State that you have/can have/have experience with XXX product....then proceed to trash it. You act as if its my first time dealing with a troll.

I know you feel the need to justify whatever purchase you made, or your lack of ability to upgrade...but tons of other people have already done it on this forum. It's old, tired and rather boring.

Why don't I sum this up for you. Don't buy it, save the rest of us some time, and make it easier for us on launch day. /thread
 
If you can't afford the new phone just say it :D

You sound like the people who are waiting for a price drop on the iPad or waiting for 2nd gen. Have fun with your old phone while the rest of us enjoy all the features and benefits of the iPhone 4.

I can easily afford the upgrade, but see no "value" to me in doing so. Pretty simple. Pretty hard to see the value when the phone isn't even out yet too. Specs on paper always read better. Let's see the SOB in real life before you spend the money. If you're so quick to jump, how about you buy some land I have for you along the coast site unseen.

List for me what I'll be missing with a 3Gs and the new OS that will make a real world difference.
 
I can easily afford the upgrade, but see no "value" to me in doing so. Pretty simple. Pretty hard to see the value when the phone isn't even out yet too. Specs on paper always read better. Let's see the SOB in real life before you spend the money. If you're so quick to jump, how about you buy some land I have for you along the coast site unseen.

List for me what I'll be missing with a 3Gs and the new OS that will make a real world difference.

Is this land owned by Steve Jobs? Is the land an upgrade from my current property? If so why not? :)
 
Really need to wait and see real world performance people. If the new iPhone 's antenna set up is as good as claimed then I'll upgrade. If the new phone proves it's completely an at&t issue, and not phone reception then I'll keep my 3GS till next July. :apple:
 
I can easily afford the upgrade, but see no "value" to me in doing so. Pretty simple. Pretty hard to see the value when the phone isn't even out yet too. Specs on paper always read better. Let's see the SOB in real life before you spend the money. If you're so quick to jump, how about you buy some land I have for you along the coast site unseen.

Apple has a gallery of pictures, and there are hundreds of review articles from technology professionals. Do you have any similar material for us to look at of your land?

List for me what I'll be missing with a 3Gs and the new OS that will make a real world difference.

Watch the keynote and list'em for yourself. Don't be one of those "convince me " people.
 
Apple has a gallery of pictures, and there are hundreds of review articles from technology professionals. Do you have any similar material for us to look at of your land?



Watch the keynote and list'em for yourself. Don't be one of those "convince me " people.

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if you're a true nerd you will appreciate everything going into the new iphone 4. ;)

iThink its well worth the upgrade! (especially since im using the same 3G iBought on July 11, 2008 with half a screen of dead pixels)
 
Watch the keynote and list'em for yourself. Don't be one of those "convince me " people.

Been there saw it and have seen most of the new features. Nothing really jumps out at me.

Battery Life - not an issue on my Gs for me now. I have it in a Mophie case and will always likely have my iPhone in a case as I like a little more solid device and can easily get a full 18+hr day of use out of my phone as is.

Camera - meh...I'm a photographer and too picky. Nice having a camera phone to shoot when needed but it will never replace a good even P&S. I usually just use it to email or MMS my wife a photo of something to view quickly. MP's don't mean anything really anyway. 3mp is fine for a phone. Give me a real sensor and some usable dynamic range and bit-depth and then we'll talk.

Video - Again, meh....nice to have but it will never replace a video camera and the sensors and technology I would use when video is really needed. Cool to shoot some short-term vids of something say buddies at a party, but again, nothing on the phone is going to replace a real device. If I'm at a dance or play that my kids are performing in, I'm certainly not going to shoot it with an iPhone. Quality will still pale in comparison to my Canon DSLR video or a true HD Video Camera.

Facetime - Cool. Love it. However, until the phone has been out for a few gens and everyone I know has upgraded or uses one, it won't be of much use. Can't even use it with a buddy who has a droid as facetime only works with iPhone 4, so iPhone to droid calls will not work without skype. . Besides, there are many times where I don't want to hold a phone in front of me or even see the other person. I just want to hands-free talk, exchange a conversation and hang up.

Overall, not knocking the upgrade. It's cool and I love the progress. However, it's value in terms of really being worth it for a single generation upgrade will be in the eye of those using it. Your mileage will vary.
 
Oh well, it's hard to talk to these iPhone haters... what do you want it to do? Make breakfast?

Yes. Waiting for iPhone 5 with built-in pancake griddle and waffle iron. Oh, and bacon. I hear cars now come with email & bacon.


Also, in reply to the question posed at the start of this thread: no.
 
Yes. Waiting for iPhone 5 with built-in pancake griddle and waffle iron. Oh, and bacon. I hear cars now come with email & bacon.


Also, in reply to the question posed at the start of this thread: no.

HAHA!

I may just wait until it also comes functioning as a vacuum cleaner, a soap dispenser, a car washer, a dishwasher, a car, a maid, a... basically i think i will upgrade once the phone can do absolutely everything for me while i sit on my ass and get fat all day. :D

Seriously people, it's a phone, you're expecting too much out of it. Just think how far we've come even in the last 5-7 years. I was amazed when i was in 8th grade (2003) and got a phone with a color display. Now look at what we've got.
 
I'm not having a hard time justifying the upgrade because 1. I have a 3G and 2. I have a $200 Apple gift card and 3. I'm upgrade eligible. The only thing I'm wondering is what color to get.

If I wasn't eligible to upgrade, than I'd likely not be getting the new one because my 3G still works fine.
 
Yes. Waiting for iPhone 5 with built-in pancake griddle and waffle iron. Oh, and bacon. I hear cars now come with email & bacon.

Ha! Cheese and bacon and a scratch and sniff display....now that would be impressive.
 
Software wise, the iPhone 3G S will do everything iPhone 4 does.

Not true. For example the new iMovie for iPhone is iPhone 4 only because it needs the A4 chip. Whether that is marketing or fact based is moot. If it's true it's possible that more sophisticate apps will be coming that require the A4 (iPhone 4).
 
For example the new iMovie for iPhone is iPhone 4 only because it needs the A4 chip.

And the face to face web camera too...

:rolleyes:

I'm more excited about the new iOS than the Iphone 4, want to see how the 3Gs works with it...will it struggle? I dont know... lets see, if the 3Gs performs well with the new iOS dont think I will run to get the Iphone 4, maybe when my plan ends ad Telcel (here in mexico) offer me a good price or it.

Greetings from mexico
 
Been there saw it and have seen most of the new features. Nothing really jumps out at me.

Battery Life - not an issue on my Gs for me now. I have it in a Mophie case and will always likely have my iPhone in a case as I like a little more solid device and can easily get a full 18+hr day of use out of my phone as is.

Camera - meh...I'm a photographer and too picky. Nice having a camera phone to shoot when needed but it will never replace a good even P&S. I usually just use it to email or MMS my wife a photo of something to view quickly. MP's don't mean anything really anyway. 3mp is fine for a phone. Give me a real sensor and some usable dynamic range and bit-depth and then we'll talk.

Video - Again, meh....nice to have but it will never replace a video camera and the sensors and technology I would use when video is really needed. Cool to shoot some short-term vids of something say buddies at a party, but again, nothing on the phone is going to replace a real device. If I'm at a dance or play that my kids are performing in, I'm certainly not going to shoot it with an iPhone. Quality will still pale in comparison to my Canon DSLR video or a true HD Video Camera.

Facetime - Cool. Love it. However, until the phone has been out for a few gens and everyone I know has upgraded or uses one, it won't be of much use. Can't even use it with a buddy who has a droid as facetime only works with iPhone 4, so iPhone to droid calls will not work without skype. . Besides, there are many times where I don't want to hold a phone in front of me or even see the other person. I just want to hands-free talk, exchange a conversation and hang up.

Overall, not knocking the upgrade. It's cool and I love the progress. However, it's value in terms of really being worth it for a single generation upgrade will be in the eye of those using it. Your mileage will vary.

Again, marginalizing just like the OP. No different. You fail to see anything beyond the basics. Consider the Apps for the front facing camera. Consider the Apps for the gyroscope. The greatest part of the iPhone is you're not limited to the native Apps.

"I'm a photographer, I've seen better", "No use to me", "There's better out there". You'll understand when I question your "expertise" in comparison to known industry professionals.

You point to a different device for each feature. I count 3 different devices you mentioned, to do what the iPhone 4 does in 1.
 
A lot of these things I won't know until I test it.

But the OP makes some good points.

Best not to buy into the hype. It can get expensive.

I can get the cheap upgrade but I don't really care about fancy phone features.

I just haven't upgraded in about three years, and I get the discount which I couldn't get with the last model, so I figure WTH.

I don't expect much, and I probably will play with it for about 10 minutes, then put it down until it rings, and from then on just use it as a phone.

I know.... :D
 
I can get the cheap upgrade but I don't really care about fancy phone features.
Then get a flip phone, the iPhone clearly isn't for you.


I just haven't upgraded in about three years, and I get the discount which I couldn't get with the last model, so I figure WTH.

Makes no sense. If you haven't upgraded in 3 years you should have gotten the discount for the 3GS last year, if not earlier. (Assuming your with AT&T)
 
Again, marginalizing just like the OP. No different. You fail to see anything beyond the basics. Consider the Apps for the front facing camera. Consider the Apps for the gyroscope. The greatest part of the iPhone is you're not limited to the native Apps.

You point to a different device for each feature. I count 3 different devices you mentioned, to do what the iPhone 4 does in 1.

I'm not failing to see anything. I think the updates like the camera and gyro are great. However, the camera isn't of much use in terms of this generation. A 5mp camera is cool, (well it was about 9 years ago when that was standard issue on P&S Cameras) but it's certainly not going to yield much in terms of IQ gains. you need to 4x MP's to get double the resolution on a print.

A gyro will add the capability of a image stabilized camera, but that's "if" and when they decide to actually use it to do so. Even so, the camera's sensor is the weak spot so in a situation where IS will help, the image will likely suffer from lots of noise or motion blur from the subject itself. Besides, the lens doesn't have optical zoom, so IS isn't really even needed. Should it have a 200mm zoom, then perhaps, but again, sensor quality will limit the low light use of a photo beyond what a camera phone image is likely going to be used for. Cool to have but not a deal maker for me.

The video capabilities are much the same. Cool to use, but not a deal maker in terms of being able to leave my video cam at home for a real worthy event. Now again, if they implement the gyro for IS in video, then it will no doubt help the IQ when shooting vids. However, I will chuckle if the guy standing next to me intends to capture lifetime memories of little Joey on stage with a sensor that is a fraction of the size of a real video camera or digital camera's sensor.

Want to video chat? Sure, let me know when all my friends and coworkers have an iPhone 4 or when facetime will work with Droids and other Smartphones. I am not sure, but I don't think you can use it unless you're on wifi....correct me if I'm wrong. Either way, it's not much use. Add in a VGA front camera and it makes the user on the other end see a pretty low quality image of you...even if they are looking at a great quality iPhone 4 Retinal Screen. That to me speaks wonders about the iPhone 4Gs which will likely update the network capability to a true 4G speed and will in turn allow for a higher quality camera on both sides. Just a guess on my part though. I believe AT&T's network is maxed at 7.2mbps right now...and that's only in a handful of markets. Most are limited to 3mbps. I do believe they are working on moving to LTE, but there's zero mention of the next iPhone 4 having the ability to use an LTE network. Me, I'll wait until they have the capability to really deliver true network capable speeds that make a difference.

They are all incremental updates that will make the iphone 4 a step forward, but the real "value" is when I and others can actually make use of them. Question my "expertise" all you want. I'm not proclaiming any. Just that the value of the new hardware is not all that for everyone. Some will right from the get-go. I likely won't. I'm more interested in the OS updates that will make it so I no longer have to Jailbreak my 3Gs to get what I want. A free OS update on an already in-hand Gs is a way better value than paying to upgrade a Gs to the iPhone 4.

The 4th gen will be a great upgrade for 1G and 2G users and will offer nice updates for even basic 3G users. However, I don't think Apple intends for the 3Gs crowed to jump up just yet. Many will be limited by contracts, but likely best for them anyway. It won't be until the next release that it will really matter anyway.
 
I'm not failing to see anything. I think the updates like the camera and gyro are great. However, the camera isn't of much use in terms of this generation. A 5mp camera is cool, but it's certainly not going to yield you much more than a typical camera phone image or that of a very poor quality P&S. Cool to have but not a deal maker for me.

The video capabilities are much the same. Cool to use, but not a deal maker in terms of being able to leave my video cam at home for a real worthy event.

Want to video chat? Sure, let me know when all my friends and coworkers have an iPhone 4. Otherwise, it's not much use. They are all incremental updates that will make the iphone 4 a step forward, but the real "value" is when I and others can actually make use of them.

Again fail to see that the front facing camera has an open api with it. We'll see iChat within a month of release.

Again, naming extra devices to accomplish what the iPhone 4 does in one, at a much cheaper price might I add.

You're again marginalizing by comparing the iPhone to a dedicated standard. How good is your P&S at making calls? What kind of 3G coverage does you video cam get? You could do that to any device but in reality, its just making excuses.
 
How good is your P&S at making calls? What kind of 3G coverage does you video cam get?

LOL! I agree.

The 4th iPhone will do what my 3G does but better and faster. I'm content (and jumping for joy in anticipation) with that.
 
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