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Anyone else worried about dimness of iPhone X OLED?

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Galaxy Note 8 seems to have a lot brighter screen than iPhone X. This could cause problems in sunlight. It's little bit problematic that Samsung most likely uses their best OLED's to their own phones. What do you think? Could LG come up with better OLED's for more competition?

Samsung Galaxy Note 8 OLED 1240 nits.
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iPhone X OLED (made by Samsung?) 625 nits.
 
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More needs to be said about this...it will come once the phones hit our shores.

But it's another argument against buying the ipX...yes.
 
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I’m not getting the iPhone X, but if I were I wouldn’t be too worried. It has to be at least as bright as the iPhone 7 Plus is today, and I have no issues with mine in bright sunlight.

I think it’s only a “problem” when you start comparing it to other devices, but no one does that in real life.
 
BeeGood said:
I’m not getting the iPhone X, but if I were I wouldn’t be too worried. It has to be at least as bright as the iPhone 7 Plus is today, and I have no issues with mine in bright sunlight.

I think it’s only a “problem” when you start comparing it to other devices, but no one does that in real life.
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I agree. It's possibly not a big deal, maybe something like Apple Watch OLED Series 0 vs Series 2. I haven't seen iPhone X in real life.
 
The Galaxy Note 8 isn’t really 1200 nits. It ramps up to that for short periods when using Automatic Brightness and in strong sunlight. It averages around 650 at maximum on manual. The Galaxy S8 is measured to be around 470 online on average, with a peak of 610 on manual.
 
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The Galaxy Note 8 isn’t really 1200 nits. It ramps up to that for short periods when using Automatic Brightness and in strong sunlight. It averages around 650. The Galaxy S8 is measured to be around 500 online
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Thanks for sharing that info. Didn't know that.
 
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MaciMac100 said:
Thanks for sharing that info. Didn't know that.
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Doesn’t look so bad now eh :) courtesy of DisplayMate
 
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MaciMac100 said:
Samsung Galaxy Note 8 OLED 1240 nits.
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iPhone X OLED (made by Samsung?) 625 nits.
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not too worried. we don't know how apple measured this and if it's really the max value on auto brightness.

samsung always had a very high max value for the last few years, but that value was not sustainable and the base value is much lower.

and keep it mind that very high brightness reduces the OLED lifetime faster.
 
MattXDA said:
The Galaxy Note 8 isn’t really 1200 nits. It ramps up to that for short periods when using Automatic Brightness and in strong sunlight. It averages around 650. The Galaxy S8 is measured to be around 450 online on average, with a peak of 610.
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So it hits 1200 Nits but isn’t really 1200 nits? Does not compute. You’re citing design features.
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Doesn’t look so bad now eh :) courtesy of DisplayMate
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You need to read the complete write up...


“When Automatic Brightness is turned On, the Galaxy S8 produces up to a very impressive 1,020 cd/m2 (nits) in High Ambient Light, where high Brightness is really needed – which is the brightest Smartphone display that we have ever measured.”
 
Technarchy said:
So it hits 1200 Nits but isn’t really 1200 nits? Does not compute. You’re citing design features.
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You need to read the complete write up...


“When Automatic Brightness is turned On, the Galaxy S8 produces up to a very impressive 1,020 cd/m2 (nits) in High Ambient Light, where high Brightness is really needed – which is the brightest Smartphone display that we have ever measured.”
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If a screen is 500 nits 95% of the time (100% of the time for people who don't use auto-brightness or are indoors) then it is a downright scam to market it as higher. I have read the whole article
 
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Oh and the value is actually "560 – 1,240 cd/m2". It depends on the picture level. Displaymate is not very clear about this, but most likely the highest value falls into the "This is the Peak Brightness for a screen that has only a tiny 1% Average Picture Level." category.

which explains why my S7 was actually usually worse in direct sunlight than my iphone 7.
(S7 max: 549 – 855 cd/m2, iphone 7 max: 705 cd/m2 )
[doublepost=1505672431][/doublepost]"Samsung provided DisplayMate Technologies with pre-release production units of the Galaxy Note8 so that we could perform our well known objective and comprehensive DisplayMate Lab tests, measurements, and analysis, explaining in-depth the new display performance results for consumers, reviewers, and journalists as early as possible."

i wonder if they ever re-do the tests with a device they just buy in a store... just saying.. ;)
 
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Nits, lumens, etc are mostly used for marketing in this sense to put a numerical value to something that is otherwise subjectively perceived.

While true the Samsung display should be able to appear brighter it won't be perceived as twice as bright. Also keep in mind I believe the Note 8 is the "brightest" phone screen ever.

The iPhone X should appear to you as bright as the iPhone 7 (625). Before the iPhone 7 they were 500 nits. If that doesn't put your mind at ease independent reviews found all iPhones exceeding Apples rating when set to automatic brightness (example iPhone 7 from displaymate had 700 nits). Since Apple is referencing ALL iPhones they have a margin for error.
 
I'm getting the iPhone X, but there is no human who wouldn't desire higher brightness in high ambient light (except those who are blind). I was hoping the iPhones would get higher peak brightness this year, but that's obviously not the case. The phones are not bright enough in sunlight, that's just a fact, but obviously it's difficult to reach high enough brightness with current tech, due to much higher energy demands for one thing.

Unfortunately those who use manual brightness can't even reach the maximum brightness for iPhones anyway, due to the unfortunate truth that Apple's software engineers aren't smart enough to think of how the system should work. When manual brightness is set to 100%, then auto brightness should turn on automatically and adjust it beyond 100%, but not below 100%. This way people who don't use auto brightness could still get the 25% additional brightness. Too bad no one on Apple's software teams were smart enough to think of this which took me less than 5 min.
 
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I'm getting the iPhone X, but there is no human who wouldn't desire higher brightness in high ambient light (except those who are blind). I was hoping the iPhones would get higher peak brightness this year, but that's obviously not the case. The phones are not bright enough in sunlight, that's just a fact, but obviously it's difficult to reach high enough brightness with current tech, due to much higher energy demands for one thing.

Unfortunately those who use manual brightness can't even reach the maximum brightness for iPhones anyway, due to the unfortunate truth that Apple's software engineers aren't smart enough to think of how the system should work. When manual brightness is set to 100%, then auto brightness should turn on automatically and adjust it beyond 100%, but not below 100%. This way people who don't use auto brightness could still get the 25% additional brightness. Too bad no one on Apple's software teams were smart enough to think of this which took me less than 5 min.
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No. Just no. It makes zero sense to make a screen setting that is meant to be active only for short bursts user accessible. Countless morons would set their manual brightness to 100% at all times and Apple would be flooded with support calls because of super short battery life and burnt-out screens.

Btw even Samsung, the kings of (over-)customization, implemented this the same way as Apple, i.e. NOT user accessible, and for good reason.
 
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No. Just no. It makes zero sense to make a screen setting that is meant to be active only for short bursts user accessible. Countless morons would set their manual brightness to 100% at all times and Apple would be flooded with support calls because of super short battery life and burnt-out screens.

Btw even Samsung, the kings of (over-)customization, implemented this the same way as Apple, i.e. NOT user accessible, and for good reason.
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Re-read my comment and maybe you'll understand it the second run-through.
 
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MaciMac100 said:
Galaxy Note 8 seems to have a lot brighter screen than iPhone X. This could cause problems in sunlight. It's little bit problematic that Samsung most likely uses their best OLED's to their own phones. What do you think? Could LG come up with better OLED's for more competition?

Samsung Galaxy Note 8 OLED 1240 nits.
vs
iPhone X OLED (made by Samsung?) 625 nits.
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I personally think it's not the display, but Apple holding back the brightness on that phone. It's the same nits as the 8. That should tell you something.
 
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