Wonderfully fast processor, still using inferior modems though. Bah.
As for the screen on the X, I think it'll be fine for brightness. We will have to see what people say once they get it.
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Anyone else worried about dimness of iPhone X OLED?
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Wonderfully fast processor, still using inferior modems though. Bah.
As for the screen on the X, I think it'll be fine for brightness. We will have to see what people say once they get it.
Apparently you didn't read the part where I specifically said that in absolute darkness it still was not set to the absolute minimum. I can't describe it any more simply. The brightness bar was not at minimum. Okay?
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Hahah oh I'm well aware of calibrations. There is no calibration when I was in absolute darkness and the slider was up slightly, and I pulled it back down many times, and it did not learn. That's irrespective of the problem anyway, which was that it should never have been above minimum brightness in absolute darkness, but again, it's worthless, so it was.
Why is it getting old? They did that to google with the Pixel. Apple also has no leverage to make them sell their best panel as there's no one else who can make OLED's in enough quantity. What makes you think they would give Apple their best when they haven't done that for other companies, and Apple doesn't have a choice if they want OLED?
the future
macrumors 68040
Zune55
macrumors 65816
Right now this week what is coming to our shores is hurricane Maria. Dimness wouldn't be an issue, most of the time use brightness on 25%-50% at home and outside 100%. I can use 75% outdoors.
Shanghaichica
macrumors G5
The galaxy note 8 is a lot brighter yes and I suppose pse when I go on holiday next month it will help. However the iPhone X will have the same brightness as my 7 plus and I've never had an issue with brightness on that phone. I usually only keep it at 30 % brightness most of the time and crank it up if it's a sunny day. It gets bright enough on those days.
NovemberWhiskey
macrumors 68040
Going to need to see how it plays out in person. I can see it being a problem while using navigation while driving. But not for normal indoors use.
Maybe if you have a job/life where u are in the sun a lot and use your phone a lot.
Maybe if you have a job/life where u are in the sun a lot and use your phone a lot.
Shanghaichica
macrumors G5
I'm sure the display on the iPhone X will be nice but as I said a few weeks ago samsung were never going to give Apple a display even as good as the ones they use in their current flagship. Some even thought that samsung would give Apple a better display than what's in their current flagship.
Do you have any proof of that? Maybe Google just didn't want to pay for the better panel.
Shanghaichica
macrumors G5
We already know that the panel in the iPhone X is lower resolution, lower ppi and significantly lower brightness level than the panel found in the note 8. So regardless of how much Apple were willing to pay samsung did not give them their best panel.
Just because some of those specs are lower that doesn't mean it is worse....Anyone doing photography would know that...There is a lot more to it than just the highest specs...accuracy I would rate much higher...
White/color accuracy of S8/Note8 have been rated by DisplayMate to be very accurate. Brightness and ppi of the display make a much more pronounced advantage than say the benchmark of A11 cpu as these 2 factors have more direct impact on daily use.
the resolution was chosen by apple, it is not just some random number. they always multiply the resolution to make scaling cleaner. with the 4.7'' phone it was x2 and with the X it's x3. and they don't go over the top, because it will have a bad effect on battery life.
the brightness is exactly the same as the LCD panel iphones. which means it was chosen by apple too.
so far it looks like everything was built exactly to apples specifications.
and we don't know which value apple uses for the brightness in the specsheet. OLED is very hard to measure, because the brightness is different depending on the content. which is why the full brigthness is a range and not a fix number.
for example: galaxy note 8 on auto brigthness: 560 – 1,240 cd/m2
560: full screen is white
1,240: 1% of the screen is white
and let's not forget: even if it was the exact same panel, apple can still choose to restrict the max brightness if they think it would hurt battery or the lifespan of the panel too much.
so what we do know is, it was made according to apples specifications. but we have no idea if samsung would restrict access to some tech. but i suspect that enough money would convince them and they are likely making a ton of money with the X and it won't hurt them a bit.
for everything else, we will have to wait for the reviews.
PPI does, but not all apps make use of that, and a specific version will need to be created to benefit. Throughout generations there has been a method to how Apple does this and it works pretty well.
Brightness yes possibly if you are in very bright environments - not something of a concern in the UK 🙂 Mine is normally turned down to preserve my eyes...
Shanghaichica
macrumors G5
Samsung are in direct competition with Apple and their dream is to overtake Apple so if makes no sense for them to offer apple better displays. Samsung already have a lot of money. It's not like they are struggling.
If only it was so simple...Business is business right, and different divisions have different targets. Most likely, despite being part of the same group, different legal entities as well, and no sneaky under the table notes of the exact specifications manufacturer for one client vs the other (for a period of time). The manufacturing division would be daft to turn down an order for many many many millions of devices...
Technarchy
macrumors 604
No point fretting over it until more in-depth reviews start appearing.
And Apple in-store dabbling for 5 minutes won't cut it. You need to get it outdoors.
And Apple in-store dabbling for 5 minutes won't cut it. You need to get it outdoors.
Nope. it is still 560 if 1% is white. That's max one oled sub-pixels can churn out.
Steve121178
macrumors 604
The crappy Intel modems inside modern iPhone's are typical of Apple's penny-pinching. iPhone owners with Qualcomm modems get drastically superior performance.
I'm worried for sure. I like my brightness up 100% and at times that doesn't look bright enough. I have a 7 Plus and the 6 Plus looked brighter. I was really hoping it would compare to the Note 8, that looks incredible.
The thing is, Samsung wouldn't have to turn down an order for millions of devices even if they don't want to sell their best display. If Apple wants OLED, they'll buy whatever Samsung is WILLING to sell them. Since Samsung is the only company capable to make enough OLED's, Apple really isn't in any position to say "well, that's not your best so we aren't buying" as they want and need OLED for the X.
It's a win-win for Samsung.
What they are willing to sell? Hmm yeah right, just like Apple (and many others) just get from their other suppliers simply what they want to sell them...
Pull the other one as well please 🙂
It's called leverage, and its basic logic. Who else does Apple go to for OLED? No one because there is no one else. Samsung can sell second rate OLED's for first rate prices if they want. That's what happens without competition and is why Apple is desperate to get LG up and running. This is not like past situations where Apple has many suppliers to drive down cost and get the best value.
Speaking of value, I'm shocked so many of you think Apple would go get the best OLED displays even if they could, seeing as they've spent the last decade offering cheap LCD's that have had persistent yellow tint uniformity issues. Again, that's applying basic logic.
Nanotyrns
macrumors 65816
Yeah, I'm totally making this up. I've never been outside in direct sunlight with any iPhone to take pictures ever. You got me. I confess.
You know, we're not a bunch of Android fanatics here just to complain about every tiny perceived imperfection of the latest iteration of an Apple offering. We're actual users that love the product and part of loving it is recognizing when improvements are needed. That's what adults do. The brightness of the OLED panel might be a great improvement over LED. We don't know yet. We do know that the current one, for some of us, is not quite bright enough in direct sunlight on the panel.
Your willingness to jump in and defend Apple is commendable. We're all on board with that here. I'm sure many of us have thrown down hard to explain to people that a lot of the competition are just bad copies of great Apple design.
We're users with real world experience. I don't think you understand that or care to.