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Anyone feel like Lion is Apple's Windows Vista?
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i guess use lucky then, my 2011 iMac isn't coping to well with Lion, and you shouldn't have to do a clean install!
why do you think that? cant people post on marcumors and open up a discussion on the problems they are having with mac os x lion?
Please share us your thoughts of why you think there is a troll in our midst.
whats more upsetting than a troll is that there are people on here who think just because they arent having problems, then none exist and will follow apple blindly. worse than a troll in my eyes.
ps, we arent "dealing" with anything, we are having a healthy discussion!!!! no one is forced to post on here.
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Nope, Lion runs better than Snow Leopard for me, in pretty much every way that I've come across.
I've been using computers since the early 70's hence seen plenty of .0 releases.
For me the comparison with Vista comes in that only twice in all that time have I returned to use the previous OS until some of the initial issues and bugs were fixed.
Well, late (not early) 70's here.
Anyway, I've seen my share of .0 releases as well.
Vista didn't give me any problems, back then, nor did Snow Leopard.
Lion is a nightmare.
Anyway, I've seen my share of .0 releases as well.
Vista didn't give me any problems, back then, nor did Snow Leopard.
Lion is a nightmare.
MS, unlike Apple, has little or no control over hardware. Vista's major jump in resource usage from XP caused most of the problems with Vista (we won't mention Millennium
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i totally agree, I'm just about to do the same, then wait till its all sorted.
oh, has anybody managed to get i tunes 10.4 yet? its available but you can't d/l it cos software update opens & tells you theres no update!
thats if it doesn't crash before hand
I was able to get iTunes 10.4 though the Software Update when it was released. Didn't have any problems with Software Update on any thing so far.
MS, unlike Apple, has little or no control over hardware. Vista's major jump in resource usage from XP caused most of the problems with Vista (we won't mention Millennium
You know when I was working for an ISP when ME came out we would get calls because it had problems connecting to the internet. But I used ME when it was released, and didn't have any problems using it. I thought it was a running faster the Win98. :/
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Nope. Windows Vista was fine too.
Actually I just changed my opinion. Yes. Lion is Apple's Vista.
Lion is a strong step forward that boldly draws few lines in the sand and says "Sorry guys, it's time to move on in the name of progress."
Different doesn't equal bad.
Actually I just changed my opinion. Yes. Lion is Apple's Vista.
Lion is a strong step forward that boldly draws few lines in the sand and says "Sorry guys, it's time to move on in the name of progress."
Different doesn't equal bad.
Weren't the "issues" that Vista had actually just dumbasses who didn't know how to use a computer? That's what I heard and I never had issues with my three or four machines each running Vista. I guess Lion is new and different, kind of like Vista was a change from XP. I haven't had issues with Lion, either. So yeah, Lion is kind of like Apple's Vista!
Wow this is a big title for a small amount of complaints. Some preferences weren't to your liking? It's not like the computer won't turn on or anything!
This would be valid if it was happening to everyone. You are in the vast minority here.
There is one tiny shred of truth in the Vista comparison. Lion wants more memory than Snow Leopard. We have several Mac Mini's with 1gb RAM and while I don't mind popping in more RAM, I'd rather do it on my schedule, not Apple's. To keep mobile me working we gotta switch to Lion but to switch to Lion we gotta double RAM in our older machines. As of now, 2 out of 3 are done. Just waiting on the last SSD to arrive (you don't expect me to open up a mini and leave the 5400 rpm drive in there do ya?).
As for performance and compatibility, Lion is fine. Sure our NAS stopped working until I updated to LaCie's 7/22/11 firmware. Sure my ipad vpn apps don't work yet but it's only a matter of time.
As for performance and compatibility, Lion is fine. Sure our NAS stopped working until I updated to LaCie's 7/22/11 firmware. Sure my ipad vpn apps don't work yet but it's only a matter of time.
Sure, people can post what they want ... but it is a tad bit suspicious that so many people trashing Lion are labeled "macrumors newbie." I can imagine some of them upgraded, needed some help and came to MacRumors to find it. But I wouldn't doubt some of them are minions from Redmond trying to postpone or cancel every Lion sale they can.
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You have no clue, at all, what you're talking about. Seriously, you couldn't be more wrong.
LOL!!!!! I'm sure 10.7.1 aka "Lion Service Pack 1" will fix all your problems.
10.7.1 is NOT aka "Lion Service Pack 1". Mac OS 10.7.1 is known as a point release not a Service Pack and definitely not "Service Pack 1".
There is simply no excuse to have ANY machine, Windows or Mac, running 1GB of RAM in this day and age. No excuse whatsoever. RAM upgrades are about the least expensive, most advantageous of any upgrade you could ever do to a computer even if you don't "need it". I fail to understand why people persist on winging it on the minimum specs. That's what really started the Vista debacle, you know...the hardware. NOT the software.
Actually he is spot on. This is coming from someone certified in Windows 7, Windows Vista and various Server OS's.
Vista, at the core, is a bloated XP. There is actually less similarities between 7 and Vista than there are XP and Vista. The way XP and Vista handle files, shares, permissions, networking...basically the core of NTFS are virtually identical between the two. 7 takes certain NTFS elements and changes others; this is perfectly clear when you try to copy a file in Vista vs. copying the same file in 7. The only thing that really is common between 7 and Vista - besides the UAC, which is handled completely differently between the two - is the presence of desktop composition - otherwise known as Aero. However even the mechanics behind that are different.
Vista makes heavier use of the CPU and RAM than 7, and it requires a fairly powerful machine to use "normally". Vista's Aero is a joint operation between the RAM, CPU and GPU to generate the glass effect and manage it. This is why so many people got bit when Vista first launched with the "Vista Capable" which ended up disabling the Aero, because the lower end $200 laptops that came with Vista could in no way handle Vista properly. I distinctly remember being at Circuit City when Vista launched, and seeing all the low end Acer machines that had the "Vista Capable" and "Vista Ready" stickers, none of them running the Aero, all of them running extremely slow. Yet the Gateway P7805u that I bought which was a beast, ran Vista with no problems whatsoever, especially Service Pack 2.
7 delegates a lot of the rendering to the GPU and pagefile, less so on the CPU, resulting in greater performance on lesser machines, especially if you throw a SSD in there. The tradeoff is that in 7, EVERYTHING is primarily routed through the GPU, including folder list contents. Visually there is a delay if your GPU isn't up to snuff; that delay isn't there in Vista. However, you can run 7 on most anything, glass and all. There are videos about it. I have yet to encounter a machine that can't run 7 with Aero.
Now...to the analogy or comparison of Lion to Vista. Lion does feel a lot like the "Vista" of Apple's world in that they basically slapped a bunch of pointless changes on top of what was already there, increasing the base requirements without actually improving anything. It feels like a bloated Snow Leopard. So yes, I find that comparison to be spot on. The main difference is that they're not putting out machines to be "Lion Capable", and they don't generally allow you to revert out of Lion should you not like it. At least in Microsoft's world you were never forced to keep Vista as you are with the new Air and Lion. Mind, Microsoft supports XP until 2014, Vista as well. If one chooses to buy XP they can, and all hardware vendors fully support loading whatever OS you want. They'll even help you do it.
Nobody is suggesting that Apple back off of Lion. I'm sure it works for some. But this is definitely a case where they need to reconsider their "drop them like wet rags" philosophy. To many, Lion feels like Apple's Vista, and reverting to Snow Leopard should not make one a heathen against The Jobs.
Infinitely worse than Vista. Vista at least worked if you had a system that could run it. Lion is just really bad UI design decisions that seem to have been made simply to add bulletpoints when they said what Lion could do. I'm happy it's only 29.99, because i'd be embarrassed to admit paying more than that.