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Anyone feel like Lion is Apple's Windows Vista?

It's a .0 release. EVERY OS has some issues and bugs on initial release. That's just how technology works. Vista broke compatibility with a lot of older programs, and required such significant changes that a new version of Windows was necessary. Lion just adds a couple optional options that some people find useful and some don't. I guess I'm not seeing the comparison, but then again, this isn't the first .0 release of an OS that I've seen.
 
I hate to say it, but I'd almost be willing to call Lion Apple's Me. But the Vista comparisons seem pretty apt, too.

Vista seemed like half-baked design decisions that were poorly implemented, change merely for the sake of it, and a refreshingly capricious approach to quality control, which IMO sums up Lion pretty well. While I didn't like the changes to Exposé in Snow Leopard, I did like the overall OS really well...but Lion is the only version of OS X I have ever used that I really just hate. I hate using my computer now. When I had to use Vista at work after they switched from XP, I had a similar feeling (not that I had much love for XP, don't get me wrong).

And before anyone jumps on me, there's really no point to switching back to SL because Lion is what OS X is now, whether I like it or not. But I do reserve the right to lament the fact that pretty much everything that made me love my Mac so much back in the day has died.
 
Some of these threads on here are really over dramatic haha. "Sorry, but Apple FAIL" is another thread. :rolleyes:
 
It is not even close to Windows Vista. The only people who truly believe this are people who hate Apple for some reason in the first place. Apple could make OSX Pussycat and still out do Windows Vista.

As many others have said every initial OSX release has had some bugs. I can remember when Leopard came out and no none wanted to move from Tiger because it was so stable and Leopard gave them nothing they would ever use. Well guess what Tiger was stable, Leopard became stable and Lion will become stable.

I think part of the problem here to is there are so many new people with Apple products than ever before.
 
I think Lion needs a few more months of heavy tweaking from Apple, with changed/different features. I'm especially pointing at Mission Control here, which is a giant mess and a big failure in my view.

The reason I find Lion to be annoying and worse than Snow Leopard because of:
  • The tiny thumbnails at the top in Mission Control, as opposed to the large Spaces arrange in a grid, relatively positioned to each other.
  • The linear arrangement of the desktops as opposed to a grid.
  • No way to view all windows on your computer at once, only one desktop at a time, but even then they aren't arranged efficiently and they hide each other.
  • The difficult to do 4-finger pinch/un-pinch gestures.
  • Finder's new icon arrangement rarely works (Arrange by, Sort by, Clean up by is a mess and impossible to understand).
 
One bug at the login screen and you're calling it buggy as hell? Quite frankly I don't know why people keep calling Lion a failure on these boards. Many of us have yet to have a problem and many of us have adjusted fine. Natural scrolling took me about an hour to get used to, and now it happens by accident on other computers. Mission control changed the way we used Expose and spaces, but it didn't break them. If you're having trouble adjusting to Lion, you probably shouldn't have been using it to begin with. The changes really aren't all that drastic. A comparison to Vista is also not apt if you ask me. People don't use this comparison to imply that Lion is an evolution the same way that Vista was an evolution. They use it to say that Lion is an absolute train wreck, which is absolutely not true in any sense of the word. In addition to that, users that are having maybe one or two problems have jumped on to this bandwagon and are calling it Vista for the sole reason that they can't figure out the changes.

Personally, when I used Vista on school computers when I had to, there weren't many issues that I noticed, honestly for me it wasn't as bad as everyone was making it out to be. That being said, this chicken-little-sky-is-falling approach is what caused me to get my first macbook instead of a new dell or sony with Vista installed when it was time for me to get a new computer.
 
Nope, it works right out of the box (or would it be download?). Compared to my ma's Vista machine which needs maintenance or a fix every 3-6 months, Nor is it dog slow.
 
I would not compare it to Vista but Lion sure seems to have several bugs and issues. I did a erase of my hard drive and a time machine restore and I'm very happy with SL. I experienced most issues that users here are reporting and a few more. I need apple reliability and quality I have come to expect and not to be a beta tester. I need my battery life, calm processes, and something stable. I don't need a Mac X OS to act like a iphone IOS. That is what I have my iphone for. I'm going to wait for a while to see if they can work out these issues. Apple are you reading our post? I hope so.
 
No it's not. Vista wasn't as bad as the whiners/MS Haters made it out to be.

Lion is a major change in how Apple approaches an OS. Early adopters can expect issues if they haven't researched their requirements in advance of upgrading.
 
ZipZap said:
Since Apple prides iteself on offering computers to the non-computer literate, I think Lion is absolutely the Windows Vista of the Mac world.

So, so many issues and you have to be computer literate to resolve them. Drivers not working, programs not running, 64 bit clobbering stuff....
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Show me where the 64-bitness of Lion is causing Vista-scale incompatibilities.

Show me where tons of programs aren't working correctly with Lion (except for Quicken 2007 - when Intuit has had 4 YEARS to modernize their app. Can't blame Apple for that!).

What drivers aren't working for you? PCIe cards like SATA interfaces? They needed new drivers for 10.6, too, you know (and 10.5, and 10.4...).

What other issues? Hiding the Library folder? Personally I think that's a smart move. I've seen too many people delete stuff from inside their and render their apps or whole user account inoperable. Inverse scrolling? Don't like it? One click and you're back to "normal." Trouble with Linux-based NAS file servers for Time Machine - I might grant you this one, but I suspect the changes were made to improve reliability. Besides, Drobo, one of the major vendors, has already updated their NAS units' firmwares.

I'm just not seeing the PR failure of Lion on a Vista-like scale. Sorry.
 
Obviously Vista had some problems, however it was made out to be worse than it actually was. In my 3 years of using Vista at school, and on a PC at home (I continue to use it until this very day), I've never had any problems.

However, Lion for me is no where near Apple's Vista. To me, Vista feels polished, and natural. Everything seems more mature; animations, full screen, mission control, gestures - everything). As for the natural scrolling, and some other problems you mentioned above, your solutions lie in System Preferences. I spend around 15/20 minutes exploring preferences when I upgraded to Lion, and changed the settings to make my Lion experience more enjoyable, and easier to adapt to.

I for one love Lion, and have only found 1 bug so far, and it only affects me around once a week, and I'm sure it will be fixed in a future update.

It's early days for Lion, there's bound to be bugs. Just have patience and it'll be fixed soon enough.

Regards,
Caolán.
 
In no way should Lion be classified as "Apple's Vista". Just because you don't like the default settings doesn't make the operating system as a whole bad.

And just because you have problems with yours doesn't mean you should make the generalization that everyone else has the same problem. Fact of the matter is, there are a LOT of people, myself included, that aren't having problems with Lion.

You also have to look at the fact that it's brand new. Apple couldn't have tested every possible aspect of the system; there's bound to be bugs which I'm sure will be worked out in the next few updates.
 
Nope. People said the same thing about 10.6. Which, in my opinion, was the best OS I've ever used, and Lion isn't disappointing me.
 
People who compare Lion to Vista have obviously never used either long enough, or just had plain bad luck with Lion.
Lion has a few minor bugs that can be resolved with ease, also the changes to spaces and turning expose to mission control are hardly a failure but dependent on personal preference. I for my part like Lion more than SL, its easier to use, optically enhanced, and fast.

Now for Vista: it had like a nearly non-existing compatibility to XP, constant driver problems, endless glitches and bugs and security holes that represented supermassive black-holes.
 
baryon said:
I think Lion needs a few more months of heavy tweaking from Apple, with changed/different features. I'm especially pointing at Mission Control here, which is a giant mess and a big failure in my view.

The reason I find Lion to be annoying and worse than Snow Leopard because of:
  • The tiny thumbnails at the top in Mission Control, as opposed to the large Spaces arrange in a grid, relatively positioned to each other.
  • The linear arrangement of the desktops as opposed to a grid.
  • No way to view all windows on your computer at once, only one desktop at a time, but even then they aren't arranged efficiently and they hide each other.
  • The difficult to do 4-finger pinch/un-pinch gestures.
  • Finder's new icon arrangement rarely works (Arrange by, Sort by, Clean up by is a mess and impossible to understand).
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Agreed on these points.

I don't have a problem with Mission Control's existence, but I think it should have been treated as something separate from all-windows Exposé, not as a replacement. For instance, you could use Mission Control to see everything on the system; use Exposé to see all windows on the current desktop.
 
iphonewizard said:
I would not compare it to Vista but Lion sure seems to have several bugs and issues. I did a erase of my hard drive and a time machine restore and I'm very happy with SL. I experienced most issues that users here are reporting and a few more. I need apple reliability and quality I have come to expect and not to be a beta tester. I need my battery life, calm processes, and something stable. I don't need a Mac X OS to act like a iphone IOS. That is what I have my iphone for. I'm going to wait for a while to see if they can work out these issues. Apple are you reading our post? I hope so.
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i totally agree, I'm just about to do the same, then wait till its all sorted.

oh, has anybody managed to get i tunes 10.4 yet? its available but you can't d/l it cos software update opens & tells you theres no update!

thats if it doesn't crash before hand :mad: like most other apps do if left to run a while. s/l WELCOME BACK. you've been missed.
 
I think that it just takes some getting used to. I've had Lion for the past few days, and I've pretty much got used to it. There are some things that are different from Snow Leopard, but the changes are more incremental than radical, and it's definitely not Windows Vista. For one, Lion didn't break all of my apps, nor did it cause massive compatibility problems that Vista did. People aren't running out and buying all-new peripherals for their Macs like they were doing when Vista came out four years ago. Apple didn't add in the irritating "User Account Control" that dims your screen every time you install or run a new application or driver. Just...ugh. There's just no comparison.
 
The thread title, as well as tone to several posts make me wonder if this is a troll were dealing with.
 
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