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Anyone feel like Lion is Apple's Windows Vista?
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It's amazing how a good line of propaganda catches on and can be used over and over again. 
https://twitter.com/#!/tapbot_paul/status/100365674341335040
https://twitter.com/#!/tapbot_paul/status/100367419457028096
https://twitter.com/#!/tapbot_paul/status/100365674341335040
https://twitter.com/#!/tapbot_paul/status/100367419457028096
It's amazing how a good line of propaganda catches on and can be used over and over again.
https://twitter.com/#!/tapbot_paul/status/100365674341335040
https://twitter.com/#!/tapbot_paul/status/100367419457028096
The funny thing is, no matter how hard the naysayers push this idea, the market and industry at large keep proving them wrong.
The reviews of Lion are more or less glowing - the reception has actually been far more positive than it was with SL.
There is no evidence of any mass consumer exodus back to SL or any other earlier version of OS X, like there was with Vista. You can't claim a Vista-like situation when there is no physical evidence for it.
Apple will simply end up selling even *more* Macs - in a market where we are still flooded with cheap alternatives that are not part of any closed platform. So consumers do have choices.
The only similarity I see between Lion and Vista is that when Vista came out MS had changed the way some things worked in windows and a lot of annoying users freaked out and bitched and complained about it rather than embrace it....did they win or did MS keep those changes and progress forward??? Well, Windows 7 is proof that the complainers don't control the OS.
I can't wait to see how these geezers react to Windows 8!!! It's gonna be hilarious!!
I can't wait to see how these geezers react to Windows 8!!! It's gonna be hilarious!!
You could not be more wrong. Both vista and windows 7 are longhorn based OS's both running nt kernel 6 and using the new shell that came with it. Vista is a huge change from xp breaking the ground for windows 7. Any program that works for vista works for 7 as well. Both vista and 7 use the same driver module (yes vista can use the newer wddm 1.1 drivers) and under hood are vastly similar. Both these os's are also much lighter than lion and run smoothly with 1gb of ram.
Welcome to MacRumors, 2009 ...
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/774331/
"Could Snow Leopard Be Apples Vista".
I think what we're seeing, as with Snow Leopard, is a desperate need by some people for a new version of OS X to be branded such a failure, not that the software actually is.
And for the record, Lion screams on my early 2009 iMac and is noticeably quicker than Snow Leopard.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/774331/
"Could Snow Leopard Be Apples Vista".
I think what we're seeing, as with Snow Leopard, is a desperate need by some people for a new version of OS X to be branded such a failure, not that the software actually is.
And for the record, Lion screams on my early 2009 iMac and is noticeably quicker than Snow Leopard.
No, we disagree. Vista wasn't necessarily branded a failure, just a not-so-stable step taken between very stable XP and Win 7.
I'm positive that Lion will morph into a stable OS but that doesn't mean that in it's present state it is more usable than its predecessor for everyone
.SMB still problematic...
I don't know if this was addressed earlier (didn't read every posting on this thread) but my Snow Leopards iMacs are working fine in Windows being able to see their shares and my HP Color LaserJet MFP being able to "scan to a file on their shares. The iMacs I've updated to Lion now are not accessible from my Windows PCs or the HP printer.
Any fix for the "windows sharing" issues with Lion (Lion can see them, by the way, just not the other way around).
I don't know if this was addressed earlier (didn't read every posting on this thread) but my Snow Leopards iMacs are working fine in Windows being able to see their shares and my HP Color LaserJet MFP being able to "scan to a file on their shares. The iMacs I've updated to Lion now are not accessible from my Windows PCs or the HP printer.
Any fix for the "windows sharing" issues with Lion (Lion can see them, by the way, just not the other way around).
No, we disagree. Vista wasn't necessarily branded a failure, just a not-so-stable step taken between very stable XP and Win 7.
I'm positive that Lion will morph into a stable OS but that doesn't mean that in it's present state it is more usable than its predecessor for everyone
I still believe, for reasons only known to those people, that there are folk who feel a need for Lion (and Snow Leopard before it) to be Apple's "Vista".
As proven by the link provided, we had the exact same nonsense when Snow Leopard launched, the exact same topic of discussion. People who expect a .0 release to be firing all cylinders are the bane of the computer industry in my eyes.
And yes, while Lion may not run better than it's predecessor for everyone, it sure as hell does for me. Come 10.7.2, this whole Vista comparison nonsense will have gone, just as it was when Snow Leopard reached it's second or third incremental update.
..... and I believe if everyone thought like you that "it sure as hell" ran better than its predecessor and didn't post their complaints and comparison nonsense there would NEVER be any incremental updates, 10.7.2, and we'd still be using Vista ....
I certainly hope so, I am on my first iMac preinstalled with Lion and I loved my Vista machine, never had a crash or an issue with it in three years. If my new imac with Lion is as stable I will be a happy camper.
Lion isn't Vista. After all, Vista became renowned for not being upgraded to...and Apple gives no one a choice about Lion, as you get it preloaded on each new Mac that comes out.
There's no choice, there's only Apple's way. Because of this, it could never be like Vista. It will succeed in the sense that Mac users will have no choice at all, and so they'll use it.
There's no choice, there's only Apple's way. Because of this, it could never be like Vista. It will succeed in the sense that Mac users will have no choice at all, and so they'll use it.
Doesn't fly
.I bought 2 Fujitsu touch screen laptops that came loaded with Vista and only supported Vista OEM; they gave users NO CHOICE. It took over 3 months of customer complaints before they developed XP drivers and issued OEM "XP downgrade" disks. Other manufacturers went the same route and later offered "XP downgrades" (I know HP also initially gave some laptop customers NO CHOICE). It took a lot of "annoying users freaked out and bitched and complained about it rather than embrace it" for OEM downgrades to happen though
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Yes it does, Heres a youtube video of an old pentium 4 2.4ghz with 1gb of ram running vista that I took a few days ago. I also have it on an old core 2 duo macbook that came with 1 gb and it runs great too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bo-4XEKjtMw
Runs pretty good in my opinion especially with hardware thats from around 2002-2003.
"I bought 2 Fujitsu touch screen laptops that came loaded with Vista and only supported Vista OEM; they gave users NO CHOICE. It took over 3 months of customer complaints before they developed XP drivers and issued OEM "XP downgrade" disks. Other manufacturers went the same route and later offered "XP downgrades" (I know HP also initially gave some laptop customers NO CHOICE). It took a lot of "annoying users freaked out and bitched and complained about it rather than embrace it" for OEM downgrades to happen though !"
That's because there are manufacturers. Apple's model is that Apple does everything, so there will never be a downgrader--there's no one in the Apple ecosystem for users to complain to except Apple, and their reputation is built on not listening to customers and doing what they think is right.
No matter how you slice it, it's not a lot like Vista.
That's because there are manufacturers. Apple's model is that Apple does everything, so there will never be a downgrader--there's no one in the Apple ecosystem for users to complain to except Apple, and their reputation is built on not listening to customers and doing what they think is right.
No matter how you slice it, it's not a lot like Vista.
I have 2011 imac 27 basic model. When I do mission control, lot of time it will freeze for 2 to 3 sec. I would call that FAILURE.
Anything 2011 hardware should be running this freaking OS like a butter.
this IS VISTA.
What they should do is give people OPTION to run either IOS OR REAL OS on their desktop/laptop.
Again, this IS VISTA.
Anything 2011 hardware should be running this freaking OS like a butter.
this IS VISTA.
What they should do is give people OPTION to run either IOS OR REAL OS on their desktop/laptop.
Again, this IS VISTA.
I am really disappointed w/ lion. Seriously. Once again, apple is really proving that after mr.jobs, company is ready to take the plunge.(ok, whatever, if you want to say jobs had 99% of saying in lion)
Company is paying WAY MORE attention to IOS device. Ummm hello apple, there are some SERIOUS people who work like crazy, who love to have apple laptop/desktop which works like Magic.. LEAVE it alone(well, now fix lion)
Company is paying WAY MORE attention to IOS device. Ummm hello apple, there are some SERIOUS people who work like crazy, who love to have apple laptop/desktop which works like Magic.. LEAVE it alone(well, now fix lion)
Downgrading.
It would take me all day to write down every individual time lion has given me a problem. I may not have good specific examples to give, but I agree. It's buggy as hell. Maybe it works great for someone else. Whatever, it sucks for me. I'm going back to Snow Leopard.
It would take me all day to write down every individual time lion has given me a problem. I may not have good specific examples to give, but I agree. It's buggy as hell. Maybe it works great for someone else. Whatever, it sucks for me. I'm going back to Snow Leopard.
Just some things I have noticed...
* SMB/AFP is problematic
* AD Binding is total broken (using Centrify Express fixes that and gives you 100% Kerberized luvin!!!!)
* System Preferences -> Accounts will freak out if you are bound to AD
* LDAP Search Policies are broken (even manually injecting the Plist)
* Disk Utility doesn't seem to like working with anything non Lion (CCC fixes that.)
* Apple Remote Desktop 3.5 client version seems to be causing issues
* DNS resolution with Lion Server is terrible
Thats just a few. I've seen more beachballs lately on my computer than at a crowded beach.
All of these are with 10.7 and 10.7.2.
* SMB/AFP is problematic
* AD Binding is total broken (using Centrify Express fixes that and gives you 100% Kerberized luvin!!!!)
* System Preferences -> Accounts will freak out if you are bound to AD
* LDAP Search Policies are broken (even manually injecting the Plist)
* Disk Utility doesn't seem to like working with anything non Lion (CCC fixes that.)
* Apple Remote Desktop 3.5 client version seems to be causing issues
* DNS resolution with Lion Server is terrible
Thats just a few. I've seen more beachballs lately on my computer than at a crowded beach.
All of these are with 10.7 and 10.7.2.
Lion is Apple's Vista
I wish I'd read the warnings more closely. But I was so seduced by iCloud that I went ahead with a clean install of Lion.
I hate it. Yes, me. The owner of over a dozen various Apple products which I constantly evangelize the benefits of to others. And for the first time, I'm actually hating my Mac. Much like I did my PC. Hate is such a strong word, yet I feel it. Almost betrayed but this machine that I depend on for work and leisure.
Sluggish. TextEdit can take 10+ seconds to launch? Killing apps taking 3-5 seconds? This isn't sometimes, this is probably 15-20% of the time. I'm suspecting the full screen feature just murders the performance. I've always had lots of apps open at once (Safari, Mail, Calendar, Addresses, iWork apps, etc.) and it's never been like this. That's after HEAVY daily use at work and home.
My battery life too is in the dumps (2009 MacBook Pro 13", 2GB RAM). Luckily I'm generally plugged-in.
In fact, it's so bad at this point that I think I'll lose iCloud and go back to 10.6.
This may prove to be Apple's Vista. Everyone has a flop now and again. And this OS experience will leave you frustrated and boiling-over at a computer that you formerly adored.
Naturally this is all very qualitative by nature. But since Apple is so focused on user experience (itself a naturally qualitative endeavor) I think my complaints are somewhat justified. Lion is a qualitative mess.
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Yeah... it's a bit of a rant. I think everyone is entitled to one every 3-5 years.
I wish I'd read the warnings more closely. But I was so seduced by iCloud that I went ahead with a clean install of Lion.
I hate it. Yes, me. The owner of over a dozen various Apple products which I constantly evangelize the benefits of to others. And for the first time, I'm actually hating my Mac. Much like I did my PC. Hate is such a strong word, yet I feel it. Almost betrayed but this machine that I depend on for work and leisure.
Sluggish. TextEdit can take 10+ seconds to launch? Killing apps taking 3-5 seconds? This isn't sometimes, this is probably 15-20% of the time. I'm suspecting the full screen feature just murders the performance. I've always had lots of apps open at once (Safari, Mail, Calendar, Addresses, iWork apps, etc.) and it's never been like this. That's after HEAVY daily use at work and home.
My battery life too is in the dumps (2009 MacBook Pro 13", 2GB RAM). Luckily I'm generally plugged-in.
In fact, it's so bad at this point that I think I'll lose iCloud and go back to 10.6.
This may prove to be Apple's Vista. Everyone has a flop now and again. And this OS experience will leave you frustrated and boiling-over at a computer that you formerly adored.
Naturally this is all very qualitative by nature. But since Apple is so focused on user experience (itself a naturally qualitative endeavor) I think my complaints are somewhat justified. Lion is a qualitative mess.
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Yeah... it's a bit of a rant. I think everyone is entitled to one every 3-5 years.
I Just Don't Get It
Am I the only one who thinks Lion is better than SL? I ran it on 8GB and it was fine, upgraded to 16GB for rendering stuff....Runs great on my MBA and MBP. I know many threads here are really down on Lion, but I consider it an improvement.
The problem may be that older machines without the clout are being upgraded. This I suppose is a good way of increasing RAM and Mac sales. But I for one am really happy with it.
Could not go back to SL now.
Am I the only one who thinks Lion is better than SL? I ran it on 8GB and it was fine, upgraded to 16GB for rendering stuff....Runs great on my MBA and MBP. I know many threads here are really down on Lion, but I consider it an improvement.
The problem may be that older machines without the clout are being upgraded. This I suppose is a good way of increasing RAM and Mac sales. But I for one am really happy with it.
Could not go back to SL now.
I too have no problems with Lion on my iMac. There are no driver issues, its faster than SL was and the "quirky" stuff i got used to in a day. Its no where near the disaster that Vista was, far from it.