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Sry but looking at that listing it screams scam, first ( Brand New MBP for 200 pounts less then UK store) maybe got a education discount ok.

Bad Grammer in the Listing: This is a big one for me, I have sold on Ebay before and i know that if i am paying listing fees i want maximum for my product. and bad grammer doesn't sell. If it is really a guy or girl in the UK i would expect proper grammer. This looks like it was typed by a Nigerian.

Finally Seller asks for Direct Deposit, that has been mentioned on here a lot so i won't go into details.

I am sorry for your loss, I don't really know what you can do since this seems like a hacked account, why would someone be buying CD's on ebay and suddenly list 4 to 5 MBP's. Doesn't make sense. Again I apologize.

I don't have any ideas for you but if you want to have a laugh and havn't seen this before check out this thread:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1016390&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
 
Does the seller (be it the scammer or original account holder) list a personal website or business website? If so you can do a whois on it and it returns full name, tel no, address and these details are usually legitimate because they have to use them for payment/registration.
 
Sry but looking at that listing it screams scam, first ( Brand New MBP for 200 pounts less then UK store) maybe got a education discount ok.

Bad Grammer in the Listing: This is a big one for me, I have sold on Ebay before and i know that if i am paying listing fees i want maximum for my product. and bad grammer doesn't sell. If it is really a guy or girl in the UK i would expect proper grammer. This looks like it was typed by a Nigerian.

Finally Seller asks for Direct Deposit, that has been mentioned on here a lot so i won't go into details.

I am sorry for your loss, I don't really know what you can do since this seems like a hacked account, why would someone be buying CD's on ebay and suddenly list 4 to 5 MBP's. Doesn't make sense. Again I apologize.

I don't have any ideas for you but if you want to have a laugh and havn't seen this before check out this thread:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=1016390&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1

How ironic that that post is littered with spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors.
 
Does the seller (be it the scammer or original account holder) list a personal website or business website? If so you can do a whois on it and it returns full name, tel no, address and these details are usually legitimate because they have to use them for payment/registration.

That's the easy bit - try getting the authorities to follow it up. No-one's interested - too much admin. Only way I can see any justice being done is via a baseball bat to the knees. I didn't say that...
 
My eBay/PayPal horror story....

Last year I sold my laptop on eBay and shipped it with special delivery (so that I had a tracking number) to the buyer. I was paid with PayPal and withdrew the funds from my PayPal account as soon as I received it. The seller left positive feedback and I assumed that this would be the end of it.

A few weeks later, I receive an email that the PayPal payment has been reversed (leaving my account negative). It turns out that the buyer used a stolen card and because I was not covered by the sellers protection, I would have to cover the costs.

I raised a complaint with the Financial Ombudsman Service about PayPals reluctance to take action. In the mean time, I was constantly hassled by debt collectors to pay up but I refused.

In the end PayPal decided to cover the costs as it was cheaper than paying for the case of the FOS. Im not sure exactly how the OP would stand as they are the buyer and have used a direct bank transfer but it may be worth investigating if you can raise a FOS complaint.
 
I was not covered by the sellers protection, I would have to cover the costs.

That is utterly unbelieveable. How can you be expected to know that the card is stolen?? The whole idea of PayPal is that card details are not disclosed. That is in no way your fault and glad to hear you didn't lose out.

But why were you not covered by seller's protection?
 
Sellers protection, according to PayPal's website, only applies to US-US transactions… anything outside the US and you are up a creek… :eek:

If I am wrong I'd be happy to hear about it. :D

were you reading the american paypal webiste.


Here is the UK terms and conditions for seller protection.

It is still limited though

Only transactions between UK, US or Canadian buyers and sellers qualify
 
I called the police today and they said that ebay with have their own fraud team to investigate and help me with the tracking no. (not sure what she is talking about, i assume the royal mail tracking no.). She also said that if I report it, they will not do anything. Ebay will contact them to do something after ebay finish investigation.

This really make sense...

No it doesn't make any sense. If you got ripped off by Tesco, would the police tell you to go back there and ask them nicely to investigate? It's certainly true that ebay have their own fraud investigation department (and boy do they ever need it) but they have no legal power in themselves and no duty, other than the broad duty of care implied in any civil contract, to resolve any matter. The police, on the other hand do.

This is a case where, if the details are as simple as you have described, you paid money directly into a bank account. The seller may or may not have good reason to ask for that payment method, but one thing is absolutely sure - the seller, who-ever it is, must have had access to that account in order to retrieve your funds. At the least, he/she has committed theft if the intent was to separate you from your money with no property to give you in exchange, and in reality, is more likely to have committed fraud, which is a serious crime.

My advice to you is to go back to the police - in person and not by phone - and make sure you do not represent the case in the same way you have here in this thread. If you describe it the way you have to us, they have little reason to be bothered. Instead, document every aspect of the case so you can present them with an abundance of paperwork demonstrating that a person or persons unknown to you have deliberately set out to defraud you, and probably others, of significant sums of money. Provide them with exact details of the auction, the sellers identity as far as you know it, the bank account details into which the funds were transfered from your own, and all communication between you and the seller, including all attempts you made to communicate which resulted in no reply. Additionally, provide them any evidence you have that the seller is continuing to defraud others. Use the word 'fraud' not the word 'scam', and describe the seller as the perpetrator and yourself as the victim.

If you provide them with enough coherent evidence that you are the victim of criminal activity, and of a trail to the perpetrator, along with a clear indicator of the intent of the seller to defraud others in addition to yourself, and the possibility that there have been others before you too, and the police will act. Much depends on the manner you approach them and the manner in which you describe and document the case.

If they still refuse to act, ask to see the officer in charge in order to discuss with him or her the reasons the police are not prepared to act. Bear in mind that as a member of the public you have a right to file a complain with the Police Complaints Commission if the police fail to act on a criminal matter on your behalf after you have demonstrated a wish to file a complaint against another, and have been able to provide evidence of criminal wrong doing.

If it is suggested to you that ebay should be the primary route for investigation you should follow, one of the arguments to make is that time is of the essence is other victims are also being defrauded and that ebay have no power to act rapidly, indeed, they require a minimum of 10 days delay before they will even begin, and that they have no power to examine bank accounts - at least in a timely fashion, while the police can.

All in all, the police will only take your case seriously if it is clear you do. If I were a police officer judging the situation on the basis of what you have contributed here, I would have severe doubts about that. In terms of getting them to act, you therefore may be your own worst enemy.
 
Paypal now covers sellers in any transaction.

US to US

US to Intl.

even to unconfirmed addresses. just use the address included with payment and use a way of delivery confirmation.

I know I had to "sign up" for this (free but not given out), and it might have been because I just became an eBay "PowerSeller" (thanks Polaroid!) and they invited me...but nonetheless its something new and pleases me to no end because Im shipping ALOT of international orders (damn this economy!).

EDIT: yup, only for PowerSellers and its called "Expanded Seller Protection":

After enrolling, sellers are covered for claims, chargebacks, and reversals for unauthorized payments and merchandise not received when transactions meet the terms of coverage. The coverage is available for items sold on eBay that are paid for with PayPal.

* No confirmed address required - just ship to the address that appears on the transaction details page
* Payments for eBay items from buyers in 190 countries (not just UK/CA)
* Provide proof of shipping (NOT DELIVERY!) for chargebacks and reversals for unauthorized payments
* Provide proof of delivery (signature confirmation of receipt for items $250 and more) for claims and chargebacks for merchandise not received
* Only covers eBay payments
* Protected from Claims and Chargebacks
 
I've just been cheated!

Sold a phone about 10mins ago which clearly said I'd send to addresses in the UK only, offered UK postage options only and set prefs to people with feedback of 1 or higher could bid.

Who won? An American with feedback of zero. Gave him the benefit of the doubt and tried to send an invoice - but the only postage options were international ones!

Even eBay doesn't help. I can't report anything for 14 days.

A joke.
 
You can easly dispute that purchase by the person due to your terms of sale.

Buyers cannot:

Commit to purchasing an item (either by winning the item or buying an item in a Buy It Now listing) without paying. To understand the penalties, please refer to the Unpaid Item Policy.

Bid with no serious intention of buying. Most of the items on eBay are auction-like listings and each bid is a binding contract. Certain eBay online auctions involve non-binding bids (for example, some real estate auctions). However, these non-binding bids represent a buyer’s serious expression of interest in buying the seller’s item, and insincere bidding is not permitted.

Misuse the bid retraction option to manipulate the bidding process.

Bid on or buy an item when they do not meet the seller’s terms as outlined in the item listing, or bid or buy with the intention of disrupting a listing. This is known as unwelcome and malicious buying.

Engage in shill bidding to artificially increase an item’s price or apparent desirability. Bidders on an item must be wholly independent from the seller of that item.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/buyer-rules-overview.html
 
Yes, I was several years ago. Buying a Palm Pilot (of all things!) from a seller in Ontario, Canada. Paid for it through some Western Union wire transfer thing (Bid Pay maybe?) that the seller required. Then never heard from the seller again.

Tried e-mailing, tracked down a phone number and called, even thought about driving up there and kicking his a$$. :mad: In the end, I just gave up. Went through the eBay resolution service and they ended up refunding me about $200 out of the $300 I paid.

Now I never use anything other than PayPal for buying or selling (although if someone wants to mail me a money order for something I sold, I'll take it!). :D
 
Commit to purchasing an item (either by winning the item or buying an item in a Buy It Now listing) without paying. To understand the penalties, please refer to the Unpaid Item Policy.

I'm sure you're right but this is now the THIRD time my mobile phone has been won and not paid for.

I have to wait yet another 7 days before I can report an unpaid item and then have to wait for the final value fee to be credited and then have to go through it all again - each time paying eBay the listing fee.

Wouldn't surprise me if eBay purposefully created loopholes so scammers can bid - knowing that they will then get a lot more insertion fees than if they made 'ghost bidding' impossible.
 
I had the same thing happen to me three times on the same item. This same person under a different name would freaking buy my product. I reported it the next day on each issue after the first one. Ebay refunded my money for the listing each time.
 
I had the same thing happen to me three times on the same item. This same person under a different name would freaking buy my product. I reported it the next day on each issue after the first one. Ebay refunded my money for the listing each time.

Oh no! Don't tell me that!

And why is it, on each occasion, the second highest bidder has never accepted a second chance offer??
 
I'm sure you're right but this is now the THIRD time my mobile phone has been won and not paid for.


Ever tried to set the basic bidder requirements?

you can select a few things like ONLY paypal account holders, those with more than 1 feedback etc.

as for the international buying problem, if you have a buy it now type auction, this would not be a problem whatsoever so long as you select "must pay immediately". because there is no international shipping, they cant pay. and thus, cant win.
 
Ever tried to set the basic bidder requirements?

you can select a few things like ONLY paypal account holders, those with more than 1 feedback etc.

as for the international buying problem, if you have a buy it now type auction, this would not be a problem whatsoever so long as you select "must pay immediately". because there is no international shipping, they cant pay. and thus, cant win.

Your reply confuses me.

1 - Those with more than 1 feedback. I did that and someone with zero feedback was able to bid. I checked the settings and it is still set to 1 feedback or more.

2 - "Because there is no international shipping" I didn't offer international shipping on my auction. I offered one service - Royal Mail 1st class recorded - and ticked UK only. When the American guy won and I called up his invoice, eBay gave me a bunch of international shipping options. What was the point in selecting UK only if eBay overrides it?!

That was the point of my first post.
 
How ironic that that post is littered with spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors.

Hey SOM, sry if in my post i made it seem like i am perfect. It was not my intention. I Simply stated thated that when i do Ebay listings or am looking through them that I try to look for Grammatical Errors not because i am perfect (I spellcheck my ebay listings) but because a common site i have seen from scammers and others is that usually they use bad grammer.

Looking at that book review and this listing i am pretty sure this women got her account hacked, so i don't know how well the ebay info will help but good luck in your findings
 
Hey SOM, sry if in my post i made it seem like i am perfect. It was not my intention. I Simply stated thated that when i do Ebay listings or am looking through them that I try to look for Grammatical Errors not because i am perfect (I spellcheck my ebay listings) but because a common site i have seen from scammers and others is that usually they use bad grammer.

Looking at that book review and this listing i am pretty sure this women got her account hacked, so i don't know how well the ebay info will help but good luck in your findings

hey dont worry about it man..take care..
 
I sold a phone yesterday on eBay that smacked of a scam (zero feedback, guy lived in US for a UK-only product) so I contacted eBay to share my suspisions.

Within an hour the completed listing and the second chance offer I had made had vanished and I had an email from eBay saying the item was bid on from a hijacked account.

How can they be sure so quickly?
 
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