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Apple...A Fast Charger would have been nice!

Sean76 said:
What is your motive to argue your point in what it costs apple...maybe your not dialed into the mobile world..

Almost every manufacturer is including it with flag ship phones at the moment. Your argument is about swaying me? Who said I wasn't buying an X if one isn't included? Your 100% missing my point.

Let's dig...

Apple has offered things to customers after their buy...They offered iPhone 4 users free cases because of that antenna band de-boggle, however this is very different and not in a light where it affects the phone or how it works.

Read my post a little more clearly...I clearly said I doubt apple would do this but wishful thinking has never hurt anyone before.

Either way your points are a little argumentative and not to realistic because the price factor is light years lower than the numbers your throwing out there.

Curious... Do you even own an iPhone X?
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To be fair, I think it’s you being the argumentative one. You’ve opened up the thread saying ‘you DESERVE a fast charger’ even though you willingly purchase Apple products. No one is forcing you. Furthermore, someone makes a point against yours as to why it would make no sense for Apple to include one (e.g. cost, not affecting iPhone X sales etc) and you seem to be getting very defensive. Not everyone is going to agree with you.

If you don’t like it, email Apple. Or don’t purchase Apple products. Yes, it would be nice for them to include one, but they don’t. You don’t deserve one. And it’s irrelevant if other manufacturers include them. Clearly it isn’t affecting sales whatsoever, so why bother?
 
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i just think it's not that mysterious as to why Apple didn't include one.. you can probably figure it out yourself.
1) the lack of plug will not equate to lack of X sales
2) for Apple to give everyone a voucher to go pick up a charger if they bought an X.. that is going to cost them a helluva lot of money for which they have approx zero reason for spending. (other than fulfilling a customer's wishful thought)

that's not very hard to see imo.. especially considering you run a business.
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ok, what's your realistic number?
like $50,000 or so?
$100million
what.



yeah, why.. what does that matter?
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Your still stuck on those money points huh?

People like you are the reason arguments erupt in forums...I won't dwell to deep into it, what I said was positioned towards for the price one should have been included, if you don't think so...than good for you keep it moving and carry on. My second point was more of towards a wishful thinking category which I very clearly said.

You're directing this towards apples margins and what's good profit wise. They have more money than the United States govement, they spend immense amounts of money towards marketing because it takes spending money to make money! Do they need to do the marketing they do? You answer that question...but the answer is no because they are the biggest player in the game, however marketing big is what every successful business does. Does McDonalds need to do the deals they do? Does Best Buy, does Samsung need to include a fast charger? Would someone not buy a note if a fast charger wasn't included...I doubted!

You want to go in the direction of what should have happened...we should have gotten fast charging out of the box! You ever use an S8? It charges fully in the time it takes an iPhone to get to 50%. Listen you may not care, you are free to do what ever you want...but I feel for the price that the phone is sold for, the same old stuff that was included in the iPhone 5-8 is a little long in the tooth and technology has advanced and a fast charger being included with a phone is more the norm from manufactures these days.

Case closed...you don't agree..Carry on and have a nice evening.
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virginblue4 said:
To be fair, I think it’s you being the argumentative one. You’ve opened up the thread saying ‘you DESERVE a fast charger’ even though you willingly purchase Apple products. No one is forcing you. Furthermore, someone makes a point against yours as to why it would make no sense for Apple to include one (e.g. cost, not affecting iPhone X sales etc) and you seem to be getting very defensive. Not everyone is going to agree with you.

If you don’t like it, email Apple. Or don’t purchase Apple products. Yes, it would be nice for them to include one, but they don’t. You don’t deserve one. And it’s irrelevant if other manufacturers include them. Clearly it isn’t affecting sales whatsoever, so why bother?
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Instead of people dwelling into the world of what, should, could, or is being included with the iPhone X...I simply changed the title. You're right, I don't deserve a $5 fast chager with a $1500 phone...which didn't steer me away from buying the iPhone X, or the extras I bought over the last week. I won't be emailing apple...this isn't Antenna or bend gate...it's simply something I and it looks like a few others and even tech journalists feel should have been included with the price of admission. Whether you agree or not is fine and cool. I've been a plus user the last few years and even though the battery life on the X isn't as good as the plus, it would have been nice to combat that with such an expensive phone being able to get charged super quick by the charger that came with the Phone.
 
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I think there are a lot of factors at play, and perhaps the biggest one is Enviromental, and the cost of moving millions of products around the globe.

Apple have a massive enviromental push, they want to be seen as a Green company, and as such they want to ship the most amount of products in the smallest possible packaging, in the least amount of planes/boats/trucks.

Check out this quote from Jony Ive when asked about the Apple Watch Packaging:

“We didn’t want the packaging to be a sort of shorthand for value, where the box needs to be big and we have to include expensive materials. We’ve always liked the idea that if we are heavy in our thinking, we can be much lighter in the implementation. So there’s huge virtue, I think, in keeping the packaging small: at least, it is the right choice environmentally, it’s easier to move things around and you don’t end up with your wardrobes full of large watch boxes that you don’t use.”

I highly suspect Apple is working on a smaller 'fast' charger, and when it can fit in the same size packaging as the current one, then it will be included.
 
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Apple charged an arm and 2 legs for a device which, at the end of the day, is an unproven first gen phone. This unproven phone has some technology which has existed on other phones for 3 years and some technology which has been on other phones for 12 months. And yet they still charged a god damn fortune for it.

Now rather than make a big statement to Apple by not buying the X, which is the only statement Tim Cook will listen to, Apple loyalists will buy up to a million of them, so Tim Cook won't be hearing what you have to say, and in fact will charge even more next year. Economics 101, demand and supply.

You and the other 999,999 X buyers happily forked out a grand for an unproven phone. So what's an extra $50? I mean you and the other 999,999 X buyers would have paid $1.200 for it anyway, if it retailed for that, right? Because it's Apple's so called latest and greatest? Right? So again, what's an extra $50? Think of it as a saving? $1,200 that you would have paid, less the $1,000 that you actually paid, plus the $50 for the fast charger. That's a saving of $150.

Apple is a profit making machine. It could produce whatever and it knows that it will sell no matter what because of its loyal fanbase. And nothing will change that.

Or maybe, everyone can spend 2 years foregoing the latest and greatest for the greater good of the consumer, so Tim Cook will get the message loud and farking clear, which will resul in Apple have to get serious about some real innovation and at a reasonable price. 2 years pain for longer term gain. But no, won't happen because too many loyalists. You just had to get the X, right? Because the 7 you got last year is now superceded by the latest and greatest.

Don't blame Apple. It is in the business of making profits, and has shareholders to account to. Blame yourself and the sheep who will go out and buy whatever irrespective of the price, which in turn gives Timmy Cook a mandate to keep ripping off the consumer.

That is all.
 
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They absolutely should have included AirPods, the USB-C - Lightning cable and the 29W fast charger with the X. I bought all of these things in addition to my X.

But this boils down to Apple being a premium aura company with a consumer base so large that it can pretty much charge what it likes, including accessories with a $1000+ phone, so it gets away with things that the competition just can't. Same reason they haven't gone to USB-C on all devices in the first place - so that they can make money from royalties. So many loyal Apple customers pay whatever the price, because the competition just doesn't offer such high standards of industrial design or the Apple ecosystem/experience.
 
Companies are in business to make money. Public companies like Apple have a duty to it's shareholders to make as much money as possible while offering the best possible value for the dollar.

In a competitive market like wireless devices, companies look for every edge to market their products. Apple wants to sell accessories because their products sell themselves. Samsung wants to sell devices, and includes their accessories as a hook. Dont think for a minute that the cost of the rapid chargers is not rolled in to the price of Samsung devices.
 
At the very least we are a stage in Apple’s catalog where the iPad brick should be the standard.

The old 5v charger needs to go away.
 
I’m going to wait until I get a new MacBook Pro. At which point, I can just start to fast charge everything else.

Or if you’re buying a fast charger now, and intend to get a MacBook Pro in the future, buy one that can support the MBP so you can have spares for different locations.
 
Ryan1524 said:
I’m going to wait until I get a new MacBook Pro. At which point, I can just start to fast charge everything else.

Or if you’re buying a fast charger now, and intend to get a MacBook Pro in the future, buy one that can support the MBP so you can have spares for different locations.
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That’s my plan as well. Once I get around to getting a new MacBook I’ll switch over my chargers and cables.
 
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Jjayf said:
Companies are in business to make money. Public companies like Apple have a duty to it's shareholders to make as much money as possible while offering the best possible value for the dollar.

In a competitive market like wireless devices, companies look for every edge to market their products. Apple wants to sell accessories because their products sell themselves. Samsung wants to sell devices, and includes their accessories as a hook. Dont think for a minute that the cost of the rapid chargers is not rolled in to the price of Samsung devices.
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Paying extra is the secondary consideration here. Apple should have just charge more for iPhone and throw in the fast charger as standard and buyers will still buy.

Asking buyers to pay extra to buy is like an insult. It is like, yeah we throw in a cheapo lousy 5w charger for you. If you don't want to feel left behind in not getting fast charging, then come and buy the fast charger so you can upgrade the phone capability.
 
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Sean76 said:
So here we are a week after launch, and I will say...I'm keeping my iPhone X for more than a few reasons I won't get into here because that's not what this thread is about...It's about what Apple didn't give us when buying the X?

Why didn't we get a fast charger included when buying the iPhone X? For the amount of money these phones cost, a fast charger should have been included. Instead we get the same old boring wired headphones, and the same brick and cable we've seen for how many years now?

Samsung includes a fast charger with the S8, S8+ and the note, why in the world wouldn't Apple this time around?

Instead we get told...Hey this phone has wireless charging capabilities...So go spend $60 and enjoy letting your phone charge over night.

Whether I'm the norm, or not...I just bought the X, 4 Apple branded cases, 2 silicone & 2 leather, along with a wireless charger...lol! That's a pretty penny when all is said and done, the least apple could have thrown in to me and everyone else who's bought an X is a quick charger?

Why they didn't is crazy to me, since their main competition (best friends) are including it with their flagship phones.

Your move apple...I think putting out a press release that says anyone who's purchased an iPhone X and comes in with their receipt should be given a fast charger...will this happen? I doubted, but wishful thinking never hurt nobody.
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Here lies the issue... Sorry this may be a doosie..

See in business as a consumer only by speaking with your wallet can you affect a company. You could have chosen not to buy the phone cause of the price and that its not coming with the fast charger. But you bought the phone regardless and this only tells Apple that its perfectly fine for them not to include the fast charger as your customers will buy the phone anyway.

See how that works? So they make extra money off those who do buy the fast chargers.

I agree with your initial post but the reality is more harsh and it applies to all companies.

I'm enjoying my iPhone X, haven't bought any additional accessories nor do i plan to cause they're just not required.
 
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They would have if it would have led to more sales.

They do market analysis and came to the conclusion that they'd make more money -not- including one. Simple.
 
mib1800 said:
Paying extra is the secondary consideration here. Apple should have just charge more for iPhone and throw in the fast charger as standard and buyers will still buy.

Asking buyers to pay extra to buy is like an insult. It is like, yeah we throw in a cheapo lousy 5w charger for you. If you don't want to feel left behind in not getting fast charging, then come and buy the fast charger so you can upgrade the phone capability.
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You are right but the idea may be to give secondary stimulus to the consumer after a few months in form of a mini purchase!
That is after all what apple experience is about...
The stimuli!!:)
 
Battery life could be affected by repeated fast charging since it creates a little more heat. That could be a consideration.

Also, the packaging would need to be altered to hold a larger and heavier charger, which would be an added expense to design and test.

It’s possible there will not be too many changes to iPhone X (besides a plus version next year), so a fast charger could be an addition next year. “We want all our customers to enjoy this great feature, so we’re including it with this year’s iPhone XS.”
 
tromboneaholic said:
Battery life could be affected by repeated fast charging since it creates a little more heat. That could be a consideration.

Also, the packaging would need to be altered to hold a larger and heavier charger, which would be an added expense to design and test.

It’s possible there will not be too many changes to iPhone X (besides a plus version next year), so a fast charger could be an addition next year. “We want all our customers to enjoy this great feature, so we’re including it with this year’s iPhone XS.”
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Or maybe they will only include a fast charger with a plus size variant? I mean they put a better camera on the plus for years and got away with it, so maybe they will do the same with the ipadish Xs plus next year and it's included Charger.

My question is, and I don't know if anyone here can give the correct technical answer...is fast charging bad for your battery?
 
Sean76 said:
Or maybe they will only include a fast charger with a plus size variant? I mean they put a better camera on the plus for years and got away with it, so maybe they will do the same with the ipadish Xs plus next year and it's included Charger.

My question is, and I don't know if anyone here can give the correct technical answer...is fast charging bad for your battery?
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Heat is bad for the battery, and there is a potential for more heat with fast charging. I would hope iPhone has power management in place to mitigate any issues though...
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Menel said:
iPad charger is also a 5V brick.
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2A vs 1A though, and 12W vs 5W...
 
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