All three of them need to. Apple isn't innocent here.Google and Meta need to lower the volume of this virtue signalling and put the work in first.
All three of them need to. Apple isn't innocent here.Google and Meta need to lower the volume of this virtue signalling and put the work in first.
They earned a 2 trillion market cap by selling quality products and services that people love and continue to purchase. There’s no evidence thats been presented that proves they’re selling customer data. Just because you think it seems likely they are, doesn’t mean they are.You think Apple got to 2 trillion dollars worth by being fair and moral?
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Right. I'm sure Guy Kawasaki had no influence on you.You can't force people to buy your product. I think Apple got to $2T by producing a product people want to buy.
That definition of privacy is colloquial and has a different meaning in terms of tech. Anybody that expects absolute privacy in these modern times are chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow. The best you are going to get are companies that handle your data in an upstanding manner.Your definition of privacy is different from mine (and the dictionary's) then.
Privacy: the state or condition of being free from being observed or disturbed by other people
If Apple collects data on me, even if it's anonymized, then I have no privacy... not the type of privacy Apple claims.
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Legal - Apple Privacy Policy - Apple
www.apple.com
Personal Data Apple Collects from You
At Apple, we believe that you can have great products and great privacy. This means that we strive to collect only the personal data that we need.
Usage Data. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; product interaction; crash data, performance and other diagnostic data; and other usage data
Anybody hold a gun to your head to buy apple products?Right. I'm sure Guy Kawasaki had no influence on you.
research for yourself we all are capable c:"They are the same. Of you investigate, Apple is using your data illegaly too."
@Kulfon: You sound certain about this. Can you please provide the receipts showing actual evidence, not accusations or lawsuits? You may be right, but I'd like to see actual evidence before believing it is happening. Thanks.
google it c:Is this your evidence on this topic? LOL indeed.
I also don’t automatically exhonerate Apple, but I want evidence and facts.
What is apple not innocent of? What do they do with your information?All three of them need to. Apple isn't innocent here.
We know that you know the answer to this. Please don't troll the forum.What is apple not innocent of? What do they do with your information?
Please don’t answer disingenuously. In order to avoid answering the question directly you accuse me of trolling the forum.We know that you know the answer to this. Please don't troll the forum.
That definition of privacy is colloquial and has a different meaning in terms of tech. Anybody that expects absolute privacy in these modern times are chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow. The best you are going to get are companies that handle your data in an upstanding manner.
I believe apple does that. And some of that data is for having an apple like interaction with their ecosystem.
I don't even know who he is so no, he has zero influence on my purchasing decisions.Right. I'm sure Guy Kawasaki had no influence on you.
Not to defend @I7guy or anything but he's anything but a troll. You made a claim, got called on it, and then provided innuendo, ad homemims & insinuation.We know that you know the answer to this. Please don't troll the forum.
I voted by deleting my Facebook account and switching to Bing. It won’t make a difference but it’s the only thing I can control.With Google and meta you’re the product. Meta flat out lied about the way it was using your data. Google hasn’t lied but they do track me across the web.
With any of these tech companies I suggest you vote with your $$$ if you disagree. Oh wait, that only applies to apple.
People often conflate privacy with security. Privacy is the handling of your PII and extended PII. That doesn’t mean because apple believes in privacy they should flush your information down the toilet. So I do t see where apple is hypocritical or there is a disconnect.
Look deeper. Revenue is just the surface.You can't force people to buy your product. I think Apple got to $2T by producing a product people want to buy.
Either Apple/Tim Cook believes "Privacy is a fundamental human right" or they don't. When they carve out exceptions for themselves, then that (IMO) means they don't and it [privacy] is NOT one of their core values despite their claim it is.
Thoughts? Because without sales of hardware and services apples financials would tank.Look deeper. Revenue is just the surface.
Privacy means letting users know what is being done with their data and giving them the option of saying no.
Which is what ATT was designed to address.
I do believe that Apple is privacy-focused (moreso than many other companies at any rate) but people need to evaluate Apple based on how Apple has defined privacy, and not their own arbitrary definition. Else, we are all just going to keep arguing over one another.
Anyway, from everything I read I don't actually think that Apple has any immediate desire to replicate Google or Meta's massive data collection networks and I don't think we should lose sight of that in the discussion.
Proof?They are the same. If you investigate, Apple is using your data illegaly too.
If you opt-out of some of googles tracking, does it delete your search history? All of it? Every last bit from it's servers?I agree that Apple is more privacy-focused than many or most of its competitors, but I don't believe that we should simply judge companies against how they define privacy.
Google would probably say that they care about privacy, that they have put controls in place and that you have an option to opt out of at least some of it, which you can. If we judge Apple against their understanding of privacy and Google against theirs, where does that leave us?
We can and probably should discuss what we mean by privacy and then compare the companies' practices against that. In the end Apple's definition of privacy is not more or less arbitrary than anyone else's.