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You think Apple got to 2 trillion dollars worth by being fair and moral?

LOL
They earned a 2 trillion market cap by selling quality products and services that people love and continue to purchase. There’s no evidence thats been presented that proves they’re selling customer data. Just because you think it seems likely they are, doesn’t mean they are.
 
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Your definition of privacy is different from mine (and the dictionary's) then.

Privacy: the state or condition of being free from being observed or disturbed by other people


If Apple collects data on me, even if it's anonymized, then I have no privacy... not the type of privacy Apple claims.


Personal Data Apple Collects from You

At Apple, we believe that you can have great products and great privacy. This means that we strive to collect only the personal data that we need.

Usage Data
. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; product interaction; crash data, performance and other diagnostic data; and other usage data
That definition of privacy is colloquial and has a different meaning in terms of tech. Anybody that expects absolute privacy in these modern times are chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow. The best you are going to get are companies that handle your data in an upstanding manner.

I believe apple does that. And some of that data is for having an apple like interaction with their ecosystem.
 
"They are the same. Of you investigate, Apple is using your data illegaly too."

@Kulfon: You sound certain about this. Can you please provide the receipts showing actual evidence, not accusations or lawsuits? You may be right, but I'd like to see actual evidence before believing it is happening. Thanks.
research for yourself we all are capable c:
 
The people making a big deal over being tracked or not being tracked, don't worry, you are not that special. Those raunchy websites you are visiting is not a big deal ok?
 
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We know that you know the answer to this. Please don't troll the forum.
Please don’t answer disingenuously. In order to avoid answering the question directly you accuse me of trolling the forum.

So I’ll repeat, what do they do with your information that’s on the down low? ( I dont really expect an answer, but will be pleasantly surprised if I get a cogent thoughtful response)
 
That definition of privacy is colloquial and has a different meaning in terms of tech. Anybody that expects absolute privacy in these modern times are chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow. The best you are going to get are companies that handle your data in an upstanding manner.

I believe apple does that. And some of that data is for having an apple like interaction with their ecosystem.

It does depend a lot on what your definition of 'handle' is, but I think the best we can expect are companies that don't collect data in the first place. That doesn't mean absolute privacy, of course, but but the scale is sliding.

Anyway, from everything I read I don't actually think that Apple has any immediate desire to replicate Google or Meta's massive data collection networks and I don't think we should lose sight of that in the discussion.
 
Right. I'm sure Guy Kawasaki had no influence on you.
I don't even know who he is so no, he has zero influence on my purchasing decisions.

You know what does? Great products. Apple makes products that I love to use. It's why I've bought three MacBook Airs, an iMac (albiet 10 years old) and numerous iPhones and iPods.

While I criticize the corporate decisions Apple makes here quite often one thing where Apple shines is privacy. Are they perfect? No but I doubt you can be 100% perfect all of the time. I trust Apple far more than Alphabet and FAR FAR more than I will ever trust Meta.
 
Not clear on the specifics of their accusations, but if they mean that Apple is hypocritical because information is shared between Apple apps—eg. I put my address into Contacts so then it shows up in Maps—then that’s obviously not aniti-privacy because I already gave them my address. I expect that information to be handy across all their apps. Just like if I give Google my info, I expect it to be handy across all their apps. The problem of privacy comes when I give one company my info and they share it with OTHER companies without my permission.
 
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The whiners keep using the word "data" without explaining what pieces of information they are not allowed to track. And I don't see a list of types of information they are accusing Apple of tracking. Whiners are great at being vague and then complaining.
 
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With Google and meta you’re the product. Meta flat out lied about the way it was using your data. Google hasn’t lied but they do track me across the web.

With any of these tech companies I suggest you vote with your $$$ if you disagree. Oh wait, that only applies to apple.

People often conflate privacy with security. Privacy is the handling of your PII and extended PII. That doesn’t mean because apple believes in privacy they should flush your information down the toilet. So I do t see where apple is hypocritical or there is a disconnect.
I voted by deleting my Facebook account and switching to Bing. It won’t make a difference but it’s the only thing I can control.
 
Either Apple/Tim Cook believes "Privacy is a fundamental human right" or they don't. When they carve out exceptions for themselves, then that (IMO) means they don't and it [privacy] is NOT one of their core values despite their claim it is.

Privacy means letting users know what is being done with their data and giving them the option of saying no.

Which is what ATT was designed to address.

I do believe that Apple is privacy-focused (moreso than many other companies at any rate) but people need to evaluate Apple based on how Apple has defined privacy, and not their own arbitrary definition. Else, we are all just going to keep arguing over one another.
 
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Privacy means letting users know what is being done with their data and giving them the option of saying no.

Which is what ATT was designed to address.

I do believe that Apple is privacy-focused (moreso than many other companies at any rate) but people need to evaluate Apple based on how Apple has defined privacy, and not their own arbitrary definition. Else, we are all just going to keep arguing over one another.

I agree that Apple is more privacy-focused than many or most of its competitors, but I don't believe that we should simply judge companies against how they define privacy.

Google would probably say that they care about privacy, that they have put controls in place and that you have an option to opt out of at least some of it, which you can. If we judge Apple against their understanding of privacy and Google against theirs, where does that leave us?

We can and probably should discuss what we mean by privacy and then compare the companies' practices against that. In the end Apple's definition of privacy is not more or less arbitrary than anyone else's.
 
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Anyway, from everything I read I don't actually think that Apple has any immediate desire to replicate Google or Meta's massive data collection networks and I don't think we should lose sight of that in the discussion.

Apple's not going to spend billions to replicate what Google does (collect data) when Apple can just sit back and collect tens of billions a year by aiding Alphabet's efforts by making Google the default search on all Apple devices.


Again, it's hypocrisy when Apple claims they care about user privacy when their other hand is grabbing that bag of cash.
 
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I agree that Apple is more privacy-focused than many or most of its competitors, but I don't believe that we should simply judge companies against how they define privacy.

Google would probably say that they care about privacy, that they have put controls in place and that you have an option to opt out of at least some of it, which you can. If we judge Apple against their understanding of privacy and Google against theirs, where does that leave us?

We can and probably should discuss what we mean by privacy and then compare the companies' practices against that. In the end Apple's definition of privacy is not more or less arbitrary than anyone else's.
If you opt-out of some of googles tracking, does it delete your search history? All of it? Every last bit from it's servers?
 
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