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Apple Accused of 'Hypocrisy' by Ad Industry Coalition Over Its Anti-Tracking Policy
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They earned a 2 trillion market cap by selling quality products and services that people love and continue to purchase. There’s no evidence thats been presented that proves they’re selling customer data. Just because you think it seems likely they are, doesn’t mean they are.
That definition of privacy is colloquial and has a different meaning in terms of tech. Anybody that expects absolute privacy in these modern times are chasing the gold at the end of the rainbow. The best you are going to get are companies that handle your data in an upstanding manner.Your definition of privacy is different from mine (and the dictionary's) then.
Privacy: the state or condition of being free from being observed or disturbed by other people
If Apple collects data on me, even if it's anonymized, then I have no privacy... not the type of privacy Apple claims.
Legal - Apple Privacy Policy - Apple
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Personal Data Apple Collects from You
At Apple, we believe that you can have great products and great privacy. This means that we strive to collect only the personal data that we need.
Usage Data. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; product interaction; crash data, performance and other diagnostic data; and other usage data
I believe apple does that. And some of that data is for having an apple like interaction with their ecosystem.
What is apple not innocent of? What do they do with your information?
We know that you know the answer to this. Please don't troll the forum.
Please don’t answer disingenuously. In order to avoid answering the question directly you accuse me of trolling the forum.
So I’ll repeat, what do they do with your information that’s on the down low? ( I dont really expect an answer, but will be pleasantly surprised if I get a cogent thoughtful response)
It does depend a lot on what your definition of 'handle' is, but I think the best we can expect are companies that don't collect data in the first place. That doesn't mean absolute privacy, of course, but but the scale is sliding.
Anyway, from everything I read I don't actually think that Apple has any immediate desire to replicate Google or Meta's massive data collection networks and I don't think we should lose sight of that in the discussion.
I don't even know who he is so no, he has zero influence on my purchasing decisions.
You know what does? Great products. Apple makes products that I love to use. It's why I've bought three MacBook Airs, an iMac (albiet 10 years old) and numerous iPhones and iPods.
While I criticize the corporate decisions Apple makes here quite often one thing where Apple shines is privacy. Are they perfect? No but I doubt you can be 100% perfect all of the time. I trust Apple far more than Alphabet and FAR FAR more than I will ever trust Meta.
Not to defend @I7guy or anything but he's anything but a troll. You made a claim, got called on it, and then provided innuendo, ad homemims & insinuation.
If Apple has done something nefarious with someone's data it should be easy to prove.
Not clear on the specifics of their accusations, but if they mean that Apple is hypocritical because information is shared between Apple apps—eg. I put my address into Contacts so then it shows up in Maps—then that’s obviously not aniti-privacy because I already gave them my address. I expect that information to be handy across all their apps. Just like if I give Google my info, I expect it to be handy across all their apps. The problem of privacy comes when I give one company my info and they share it with OTHER companies without my permission.
I voted by deleting my Facebook account and switching to Bing. It won’t make a difference but it’s the only thing I can control.
Privacy means letting users know what is being done with their data and giving them the option of saying no.
Which is what ATT was designed to address.
I do believe that Apple is privacy-focused (moreso than many other companies at any rate) but people need to evaluate Apple based on how Apple has defined privacy, and not their own arbitrary definition. Else, we are all just going to keep arguing over one another.
Thoughts? Because without sales of hardware and services apples financials would tank.
I agree that Apple is more privacy-focused than many or most of its competitors, but I don't believe that we should simply judge companies against how they define privacy.
Google would probably say that they care about privacy, that they have put controls in place and that you have an option to opt out of at least some of it, which you can. If we judge Apple against their understanding of privacy and Google against theirs, where does that leave us?
We can and probably should discuss what we mean by privacy and then compare the companies' practices against that. In the end Apple's definition of privacy is not more or less arbitrary than anyone else's.
Apple's not going to spend billions to replicate what Google does (collect data) when Apple can just sit back and collect tens of billions a year by aiding Alphabet's efforts by making Google the default search on all Apple devices.
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Again, it's hypocrisy when Apple claims they care about user privacy when their other hand is grabbing that bag of cash.
If you opt-out of some of googles tracking, does it delete your search history? All of it? Every last bit from it's servers?