Lol yourself. Isn’t it just possible they’ve done really well because they make a superior product marketed at the right people for it?
I’m all ears if you can prove otherwise but if you can’t then you’re reaching.
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I’m all ears if you can prove otherwise but if you can’t then you’re reaching.
Not quite…You can say the same thing about Alphabet (Google) too then.
Google’s parent company briefly hits $2 trillion valuation
Alphabet has almost joined the ranks of Apple and Microsoft.www.theverge.com
But somehow people call them evil
Google's 'Be Evil' business transformation is complete
I've read this stuff, says one dev. 'Either Google is screwed, or society is screwed'www.theregister.com
If it's possible for Alphabet to be "evil" and reach $2T market cap, then the same can be true of Apple. Maybe it's just that Apple's better at hiding it/covering it up than others through their marketing. Reality distortion field?
Almost all of Apple’s product is hardware, software, and services.
Almost all of Google’s product and most of Meta’s is yours and my data.
The original claim was that Apple must be evil because they are as successful as they are. No…
Apple, Google, and Meta, are all successful because they make stuff that their customers want to buy. And rightly so.
Success has little to do with good or evil.
However how you achieve that success and what you do with it has a lot to do with good and evil.
Apple is “good” (relatively) because Apple’s product is good for pretty much everyone (at least relatively if not absolutely).
Google and Meta are “evil” because their product is good for their buyers (advertising companies) at the expense of pretty much everyone else.
Of course it’s not black and white but Apple vs Google/Meta are pretty close to either end of the extremes.
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Whenever it comes to analysing and critiquing anything that Apple does, I find it usually helps to focus with Apple, and then move outwards. Many people are comparing Apple too much to other companies, and they are not allowing Apple’s unique attributes to speak for themselves or recognise how Apple is able to set themselves apart from the competition.
Apple defines tracking as an app following you across apps and websites from other companies with the goal of creating a personalized profile. Since third-party apps and websites are involved, the implication is there is also data transfer / mixing / crossing present (which is often more true than not).
Apple’s ads business is based on collecting first-party data from Apple-owned apps. No data is transferred or crossed with third-parties in order to create personalized user profiles. In addition, cohort data isn’t compromised so that third-parties are able to discern more granular information about individuals included in the cohorts.
Apple is in the right when saying it’s apps don't fall under the scope of ATT since its apps (i.e. the App Store) aren’t doing what ATT is aimed at alerting Apple users about. The way Apple defines tracking is also in-line with how the W3C (World Wide Web Consortium) defines tracking.
I find it laughable that it’s somehow Apple’s fault that Facebook is unable to explain how ATT will harm consumers when the truth is that doing so would require facebook to reveal how they actually track users (it won’t be pretty).
Second, critics attempt to paint the way Apple draws a line between first-party and third-party data usage when talking about privacy as “exaggerated” and “deceptive” because first-party data collection gives Apple's ads business an advantage over Facebook. Said another way, Apple’s privacy narrative shouldn't be trusted because the company stands to make money by pushing privacy.
While we can debate the meaning of tracking, it’s clear that what Apple is doing with its ads business is different from a company like Facebook. I personally feel Apple is well-positioned to offer adds in a way that does not go against its privacy culture (i.e. no personalized profiles being created with the intent of delivering ads or changing behavior).
We are a long way off from saying “no ads whatsoever”, but perhaps less invasive ads would be a reasonable middle ground to work towards in the interim.
Umm. I’m not sure how he’s trolling and you’re not. Do you ever actually provide any legitimate information in your posts?
So far you and a couple of others have made some pretty significant claims about Apple with absolutely no evidence when the rest of us genuinely believe the opposite and see evidence matching that.
So when we ask those of you making these claims about Apple to justify them, then no we don’t already know the answers. That’s why we’re asking.
Yet another wild vague unsupported claim accusing Apple of something but I know not what. What the hell are you talking about?
And that’s aside from the fact that the $2T is not revenue. Lordy. It’s market cap. Very different. Do you have any idea what you’re talking about? If you wish to claim you do please provide some evidence of that.
How do you know if Apple is doing the right thing? When Google and Meta get all miffed.
Apple's privacy policy is much better than other companies.
I am glad that the world isn't all blind to Apple's virtue signalling. As if they are the most righteous company on earth. It isn't a popular opinion, so thumbs up to at least putting this out.
You may be surprised to find Ad agency aren't the ones who are selling Data. And part of the whole reason why Ad industry are furious when all of the discussions are dictated by Apple, and they mingled the word, Ad, Privacy and Tracking into the same thing.
Apple has a very different privacy policy for itself vs other companies.
Apple is sneaking around its own privacy policy — and will regret it
Apple has a complicated relationship with privacy. It loves to tout its efforts, especially as a differentiator with Google. But actually delivering privacy? That’s a different story.
www.computerworld.com
Apple continues to collect iPhone user data regardless of privacy settings, lawsuit alleges
A new lawsuit alleges that Apple continues to collect user data in stock iPhone apps even when users have opted out of data tracking. This tracking contradicts assurances that Apple safeguards user privacy and can completely disable any kind of data collection in Apple's apps.
The second article is no proof of anything. It’s a bunch of accusations and allegations with, well, no evident proof yet. As the last paragraph says it’s just a claim and it’s up to a judge to decide if the claims are valid. Get back to me when that happens.Apple has a very different privacy policy for itself vs other companies.
Apple is sneaking around its own privacy policy — and will regret it
Apple has a complicated relationship with privacy. It loves to tout its efforts, especially as a differentiator with Google. But actually delivering privacy? That’s a different story.
Apple continues to collect iPhone user data regardless of privacy settings, lawsuit alleges
A new lawsuit alleges that Apple continues to collect user data in stock iPhone apps even when users have opted out of data tracking. This tracking contradicts assurances that Apple safeguards user privacy and can completely disable any kind of data collection in Apple's apps.www.notebookcheck.net
The first article is full of reaches, stretches, and claims, with again no proof of very much at all. It confuses tracking across companies and websites with tracking internally in one company’s apps.
On the one hand as someone else said here when I put my address into my Apple contacts app and then that app shares that information with the Apple maps app, that’s apps sharing data, yes, but within one company (in this case Apple) not invading my privacy or “tracking” me. The same applies if I provide any of my information to Microsoft apps or Google apps or any others. Each software app provider integrates their apps together, and that’s not invading my privacy without consent or tracking me.
Then there’s tracking across websites and multiple companies exchanging my data between them without my consent. I look at shoes on one website and then next thing I know every other and presented to me is for similar shoes. That IS tracking me and misusing my data. Apple protects me against that.
Then there’s aggregating, which the articles discusses at length and makes claims that the aggregating isn’t really aggregating and instead does allow individuals to be identified, but provides no evidence of that claim, only disjointed rhetoric that confuses this matter with the other two I mentioned above.
So… sorry, these articles are not any kind of proof of your claim that Apple is using my data illegally, nor that Apple applies different rules to themselves as others.
Maybe your claim is true. But so far I see no evidence of it. Enlighten me.
And apple should have a different privacy for itself. And manufacturer engaged in any ecosystem should have a first person privacy policy different than third person.Apple has a very different privacy policy for itself vs other companies.
Apple is sneaking around its own privacy policy — and will regret it
Apple has a complicated relationship with privacy. It loves to tout its efforts, especially as a differentiator with Google. But actually delivering privacy? That’s a different story.
Apple continues to collect iPhone user data regardless of privacy settings, lawsuit alleges
A new lawsuit alleges that Apple continues to collect user data in stock iPhone apps even when users have opted out of data tracking. This tracking contradicts assurances that Apple safeguards user privacy and can completely disable any kind of data collection in Apple's apps.
But the bar of what is called proof is sinking fast as you probably had to scour the internet to find something, anything.
Apple's not going to spend billions to replicate what Google does (collect data) when Apple can just sit back and collect tens of billions a year by aiding Alphabet's efforts by making Google the default search on all Apple devices.
Google Basically Pays Apple to Stay Out of the Search Engine Business, Class Action Lawsuit Alleges
Apple has an agreement with Google that it won't develop its own internet search engine so long as Google pays it to remain the default option in...www.macrumors.com
Again, it's hypocrisy when Apple claims they care about user privacy when their other hand is grabbing that bag of cash.
Depending on how the DOJ case against Google plays out, this cash grab by Apple may not last much longer. One of the DOJ complaints against Google is that "they have unlawfully maintained monopolies in search and search advertising by entering into long-term agreements with Apple that require Google to be the default – and de facto exclusive – general search engine on Apple’s popular Safari browser and other Apple search tools."
Whether or not this is ultimately legal or not, does the internet magically change because apple gets paid a fee?Apple's not going to spend billions to replicate what Google does (collect data) when Apple can just sit back and collect tens of billions a year by aiding Alphabet's efforts by making Google the default search on all Apple devices.
Google Basically Pays Apple to Stay Out of the Search Engine Business, Class Action Lawsuit Alleges
Apple has an agreement with Google that it won't develop its own internet search engine so long as Google pays it to remain the default option in...
Again, it's hypocrisy when Apple claims they care about user privacy when their other hand is grabbing that bag of cash.
Google must think it changes enough, otherwise they wouldn't still be paying Apple THAT much money every year. If Google didn’t think the agreement with Apple helps their search engine/advertising business, they wouldn't continue to have these agreements and pay Apple more and more. The DOJ seems to agree.
I trust Apple far more than Google or Meta. Apple makes most of their money from hardware and selling services so I’m their customer and not their product. The same cannot be said for Google or Meta.